Aryan Invasion Theory Myth

[Silverbackman]

The Aryan Invasion Theory was a concept invented by the British that it used to divide and conquer India. It has no proof or records anywhere in India's written record. It promoted a racist view that a superior light skinned European tribe called the Aryans and invaded the inferior dark skinned Dravidians and pushed that to the South. The British could not understand why India had an Indo-European language and then claimed that the culture was imported to them from Britain. This is however not the case and historians and even classical philosophers have confirmed that if anything European language and cultural roots perhaps came from India to Europe and not the other way around.

There is more ethnic variation among castes but as a whole most Indians belong to one race. 97% of all Indians belong to a Mediterranean Caucasoid race. The only real difference between Northern "Aryans" and Southern "Dravidians is language and in some cases skin color (as darker skin always occurs in cultures living close to the equator).

And yet this debunked fiction is still being taught in schools across India and only divides the countries. What can we do to stop the spread of it and introduce better history education in India (on their own history)?

For more information check out these links;

http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/ancient/aryan/aryan_frawley_1.html

http://www.atributetohinduism.com/aryan_invasion_theory.htm

[alpha]

This poll is biased !!! Why am i not given a chance to vote aganist the statement that its a myth.
I was taughtt in my university about the aryan invasion theory with enough proofs.Aryans are not related with britain but with central europe.Hitler's emblem was Swastik and he made germany fight world war 2 with the motive of achieving aryan domination across the west.


Indus valley civilization was by indians which was a very urban settlement and relates with other civilizations like egyptian and mesopotomian civilisation.
Then it decayed and then comes aryan civilisation as a result of aryan migration to india.

Tamil settlements still resemble the harappen town(harappa belongs to indus valley civilisation) structure especially in the drainage system.
The indus valley civilization is different from Aryan civilasation.
Indus valley - 2500 BC - 1600 BC
Vedic period - after 1600 BC .
The artefacts excavated from these periods have different charecteristics according to the period.eg NBPW,PGW (these terms specify the type of pottery)
Vedic period comes after Indus valley civilization period.So it is assumed that vedic people came to india after the indus valley civilisation.Vedic settlements were rural while indus valley settlements were urban. The traces on vedic sttlements can be still seen in the villages of bihar and uttar pradesh

The early assyrian civilisation had the habbit of taking their religious idols in procession through streets and dipping them in sea. This culture can be still be traced in india. so,its assumed by historians that the aryans travelled through assyria to their way to india.This also explains the connection between zorosterism and vedic philosophy.

:cool: this is what i believe !! my logic has no problem in connecting the pieces. Keep in mind the present day science tells dat the conversion of monkeys to humans took place in african jungles.

Anyways... this ..caste,creed and all that are useless topics,when it comes to the proud feeling of being an INDIAN. :)

[Omni]

Do you know why Hiltler's propagandist view was so powerful that it gave him power over the masses to control and convince all in the attempt of brainwashing the adults and expecially the innocense of the children which he hindered the minds of.

He is a very clever man alpha and universities are just a means of scholorship in the business of academe.

He used a symbol with a positive meaning and flipped it around and waved it to everyone. Thinking to himself "look at this symbol..." all the while talking about war, fighting and being the supreme race. It made an association, so the symbol instead of denoting peace is flipped around and denoted the opposite.

[Silverbackman]

This poll is biased !!! Why am i not given a chance to vote aganist the statement that its a myth.
I was taughtt in my university about the aryan invasion theory with enough proofs.Aryans are not related with britain but with central europe.Hitler's emblem was Swastik and he made germany fight world war 2 with the motive of achieving aryan domination across the west.


Indus valley civilization was by indians which was a very urban settlement and relates with other civilizations like egyptian and mesopotomian civilisation.
Then it decayed and then comes aryan civilisation as a result of aryan migration to india.

Tamil settlements still resemble the harappen town(harappa belongs to indus valley civilisation) structure especially in the drainage system.
The indus valley civilization is different from Aryan civilasation.
Indus valley - 2500 BC - 1600 BC
Vedic period - after 1600 BC .
The artefacts excavated from these periods have different charecteristics according to the period.eg NBPW,PGW (these terms specify the type of pottery)
Vedic period comes after Indus valley civilization period.So it is assumed that vedic people came to india after the indus valley civilisation.Vedic settlements were rural while indus valley settlements were urban. The traces on vedic sttlements can be still seen in the villages of bihar and uttar pradesh

The early assyrian civilisation had the habbit of taking their religious idols in procession through streets and dipping them in sea. This culture can be still be traced in india. so,its assumed by historians that the aryans travelled through assyria to their way to india.This also explains the connection between zorosterism and vedic philosophy.

:cool: this is what i believe !! my logic has no problem in connecting the pieces. Keep in mind the present day science tells dat the conversion of monkeys to humans took place in african jungles.

Anyways... this ..caste,creed and all that are useless topics,when it comes to the proud feeling of being an INDIAN. :)

Did you not read the articles? Look at the evidence. There is evidence Greeks, Huns, Muslims, ect. all invaded India but there is no proof that a tribe if light skinned invaders pushed a darker skin Dravidian people to the south. There is absolutely no proof for this.

Did you study in an Indian university? If so then I am not surprised that you believe in the theory. It is still be taught by many schools across India without any question at all.

Remember that the Aryan Invasion Theory was created by the British based on extremely sketchy proof. When you find that the Aryan Invasion Theory is fiction then you will realize that India is a lot greater than you think. You realize that it was Indians that gave European their language and not the other way around (and possibly culture). There is no Aryan or Dravidian race. 97% of all Indians belong to a Mediterranean Caucasoid race.

Read the articles carefully and weigh out the evidence.

[alpha]

There is evidence Greeks, Huns, Muslims, ect. all invaded India....yes they invaded india too... indian history is filled with external invasions :mad: :mad: :mad:
Its written by savarkar in his book "Glorious epochs of Indian Histoy" that Indian history should be glorified among indians atleast on a propaganda basis.

"Ive heard some even say that first civilisation rose in india and helicopter was invented by indians(they are saying about ravana's pushpaviman) and search and destroy cruise technology was used by india(vishnu's chakra)"

[Silverbackman]

My point is that while there is evidence that India was invaded by those other civilization, there is little to no proof that an Aryan tribe invaded 3,500 years ago.

The British misjudged a quote in the Rig Veda about when Indra fought off a "dark force" with its "light force". However it is now generally thought this battle refers to a war between good and evil, appearing in all cultures. All civilizations of a struggle story between good (light) and evil (dark). It has nothing to do with race or skin color.

Yes India is likely the birthplace of a lot of the world's culture and technology. Western and Persian civilization was likely started from India as Sanskrit is an Indian language that started in India and not vice versa.

The Persians, Greeks, Romans, ect. languages all most likely came from India, and not the other way around by Aryan tribes. There is more proof for this and little proof that India's culture is foreign.

[alpha]

What is taught in the west about this?? i would like to know ..and can you give me a link to an international website with credibility??

[Silverbackman]

What is taught in the west about this?? i would like to know ..and can you give me a link to an international website with credibility??

The West teaches the Aryan Invasion Theory. I was taught this when I was in junior high school. The theory is only being questioned now and is being debunked by the only few historians that are actually investigating the issue.

The articles I provided where very credible. They itself provide further resources and I suggest you read them. If you want I can give you more articles in a bit.

[Omni]

I too was taught in canadian college about the aryan invasion theory, that there were aryans and they were barbaric. There are people that even say that most of the hindu deva's were aryans but are hesitatingly unsure of it.

But I'm inclined to believe that the aryan invasion theory is false from the web, paper and literary sources I have read.

[observer]

Sorry to say silverblackman, the sites you have posted in support of your dismissing the Aryan Invasion Theory seem to be biased towards a Hindu India centric view and seem to push for Hinduism. More credible sites are welcome.

I believe the Aryan Invasion Theory is just that, a theory, and it may have happened or may have not. We are all still learning about it.

[RajivvijaR]

Who are those so called, Aryan?They are in fact Iranian, Armenian, afghan. What are those people today?Primitifs. Iran is behind india for technology, afghanistan also, Armenians have no real country and they are still under russian influence.By the way, Aryans have no blue eyes or blond hair ,but they do have lighter skin than Indian.Armenian first pre-christian religion probably come from india;Iran alphabet come from india. When Alexander the great came with its Army of macedonian phalangist,they all fall before him.Persians,Armenians, Afghans, none of them could stop the Macedonians, but the Indians did stop him.So those Aryans cannot be superior to Dravidian indians.

[India1989]

what are you saying people. India does have different people. Actually that is the fact. Aryan invasion theory is not false. On what basis are they saying this. What prove they have. Being different won't divide India. Is India divided now. Well we know that we are different for 58 years now. Because of the thinking that being different will divide us makes us more vulnerable.

WE are all different and be proud to be different instead of all being the same. North is Indo-Aryan, South is Dravidian, Northeast is Mongoloid, Ladakh is Orientals, there are Austroloids, and NEgoriods too. and Bracephials. Together they make India.

[Omni]

It is a theory, should it be believed by the masses it is propaganda. If there are tangible evidence to be seen the theory would be much easier to believe, but the fact is there exists none. A quick view of india would show us a mixture of colors but there are global considerations to account for this such as the places that lie close to the equator, the places that are more sunny as opposed to the the places where there are less sun, the sanity, the health, the toxicity of land etc. Everything that is indian can't be summarized into one aryan invasion theory.

[observer]

So those Aryans cannot be superior to Dravidian indians.

If there were any Aryans who migrated to India after the age of the Dravidian Indus Valley civilization then those Aryans were very primitive to the Dravidians. They were pastoralists and nomads while the people of the Indus-Valley civilization lived in sophisticated cities which had grid like roads, multi-storied buildings and well-designed drainage systems and had a large middle-class population. The only thing according the Aryan Invasion Theory that the Aryans had going for them was a wild and violent attitude and stronger physical built that made them savagely destroy all that they saw in front of them. We don't call such behaviour civilized today anywhere in the world and people in the Indian subcontinent even 5000 years ago didn't think it was civilized. So they had very sophisticated cities instead of having large armies. They concentrated their energies in construction rather than destruction.

97% of all Indians belong to a Mediterranean Caucasoid race.

A mainstream theory actually says the Dravidians have a Southern Mediterranean Caucasoid origin mixed with Negroid and Australoid origins.

Of course very little is known about the Indus Valley civilization, even less than the Vedic civilization because the artefacts found from the Indus Valley Civilization haven't been succesully analyzed and their script hasn't been deciphered yet.

[India1989]

India is diverse that's it. Anything can be Indian. A black guy could be Indian and an white guy could be Indian. A chinese looking guy could be Indian. If there's snow then that place can also be called India. We are one of the most diverse countries in the world.

[SLASH]

There is no such thingas Aryans or Dravidians.They both belong to the same gene pool.

http://www.varnam.org/blog/archives/2006/06/ichr_says_no_ar.php

[Tsigano]

Apparently the original Armenians are not Aryan but were Aramites. The original language that the Armenians spoke was closer to Aramaic and other Semetic languages. The Aryan language influence came later. The same is believed to possible be the same in Europe.
There are certain languages in Europe like Basque in Northern Spain that have no connection to the Indo-European group. Langauges such from the Celts and the Germanics possibly came later. Maybe coming from tribes migrating from the East all happening at a time before our history books recall.

[Tsigano]

To say true Aryan is a myth. There is no-one on the planet that can claim true Aryan.
Hitler claimed the Germans were the truest of Aryan, yet stupidly he killed Romani Gypsies who did infact have a claim to being of true Aryan blood. German has little claim to Aryan blood and many of the research that Hitler based his facts on are proved to be incorrect. All ancient accounts of Aryans support to Southern central Asia as their homeland.

India is made up of so many influences as is anywhere on the globe. For anyone to say they are full or true blooded is a lie to themselves.

To deny the Aryan influence is also wrong as the left over tell tale signs are everywhere. Whether language, myths, historical accounts or genetics, it all proves that once there were people from Central Europe known as Aryans. Through looking at the people they have left or impacted, then it is obvious that they were caucasion.

Both Medes and Persians who were horseback riders from Northern Iran and central Asia laid claim to being Aryan (We cannot argue with the history books) as do the writings in Vedic Sanskrit of Northern India.
Nations such as the Greeks also recognised the Persian and Medes as the Aryans.

As for Aryan invasion? I believe the facts support that the Aryans came through trade and settlement as opposed to invasion.
If my memory serves me correctly, then I think the Aryan journey into India can be traced through their unique pottery works.
There may have been cases where local wars were fought as descibed in ancient writings but this does not support mass invasion.

From Biblical accounts many believe the Aryans are the 'Sons of Joktan' as descibed in Genisis.

All Indians today are a combination of many influences regardless of caste or family.

[India1989]

Well India's a mixture of people. lots of mixing and stuff has resulted in what we have now. Many people say that aryans and dravidians are same. Many people say there's nothing like Indians. Many people say that there existed no Indians. I don't care.

As I have read in history this is what i know. South India was attached with the huge continent called Gondawanaland. There people called Dravidians lived and were shorter and darker skinned. When it attached with Asia it attached with land which is now what called North India. there taller people and light skinned people lived.

THen when they mixed then what we have are eastern Indians and Wetern Indians. North Eastern Indians are Mongoloid people who were there from before. Andaman and Nicobar Islands have breaked off from the AFrican continent and is now here. So it has some black people in there.

there's this mixture. There are greek people cause when Alexander the Great came over here few of those Greek people were left over here.

Portuguese Indians were over here when Portugal came to India. THey are here for 500 years now and Greeks are here from more then 1000 years. Gorkhas are malayan race. i don't know how they arrived there.

Kashmiris are different then North Indians. They can be called Caucasoid race. THey are similar to Pathans or Uzbeks. I am talking about people in Indian Baltistan.

Parsis arrived here after they were not allowed to stay anymore in Iran. Mixture happened between Indians and britishers and they are called Anglo Indian and between Indians and Portuguese called the Luso Indians.

I am not sure about these but heard that somehwere near the center of Arunachal Pradesh there are Apache Indians who resemble the natives over here or the red Indians. I don't have any clue about them. Someone told me that they resemble them. I also heard a song from them as they had a band. their language is gibberish to me but i will look for that song.

THis is according to my knowledge. And if i forgot to mention any group please forgive me.

[RajivvijaR]

Aryans are a myth but I can't denied they were good at war.As for intelligence, most indian scientists are dark dravidian looking. Afghanistan, where the famous aryan use to live is now a backward primitive region while mumbai is a dravidian city.

So where are the aryans and their mythic superirity, where are their achievement now today?Allmost 60% of all the nobel price seat were taked by jews, who are semitic so non aryan.Einstein is a jew, not an aryan. The most intelligent people of this workd have black hair, not blonde. Jews have the highest IQ in the world.
After germany kill all their jewish scientist, america who accept them as immigrant became a super power and the most advence country in the world in regard of technology.

In united states I saw a documentary showing an ugly indian dark doctor born in a low caste village in india. The show the tiny primitif house where he was born but now he live in a huge american style ranch with a beautifull american wife.

In american they dont care about what you look like or what your ancestor were eating ten generation ago. All they want to know is if you can do the job right.

[India1989]

Its a myth that Aryans are not smart and only Dravidians are smart. Dravidians work hard and they are also smart but most of the Nobel Prize winners in India are from different parts of India then South. Amartya Sen, Rabindranath tagore, got nobel prize and they were from East India. Plant has life and radio was discovered and invented by JC Bose.

But yeah South India did do lots of new things and they are doing it now. How could one even say that Einstein is an Aryan. And Jew is a religion and not a race. Einestien was of Caucasoid race or you can say white. Jew is a religion not a race.

Jews are indeed very smart but i won't say that Jews have the highest IQ in the world. I would say that it is South India who has the highest IQ in the world.

[RajivvijaR]

I agree with you in regard of the fact that indians nobel price come from divers part of india, but my point concerning the high iq of the jew was not invented by my self. It is a known fact date from decades now. Jews who represent a tiniy fraction of the world population provide a good percentage of the world most gifted person.

If IQ test is a reliable way to measure someone intelligence then the askhenazy jew seam to be adventage.

Here is a ling talking about ashkenazy jews iq
http://home.comcast.net/~neoeugenics/IQgenes.htm

[India1989]

Cool, yeah no doubt that they have so high iq. They have done a lot. They live in a small country but still have progressed so much. I think they are the smartest. Think if they had big country like India how much progressed they would have been.

I agree with you rajivvijar. They have the highest intelligence. i have a question. Who do they refer to as East Asians in the list?

[RajivvijaR]

East asian are indian, pakistanese, srilanka, etc..

[Tsigano]

I'm not sure what you are referring to but...
My experience of the term 'East Asian' or Easian for short. they are chinese type people with slanty eyes (not meant disrespectfully).
It refers to all the countries to the east edge of asia like thailand, vietnam, Burma, China, Phillipines, Japan, Korea, Eastern Siberia etc
I suppose that India & Pakistan etc are usually referred as Southern Asia or if going into the likes of Afghanistan etc as central Asia.

[India1989]

yeah that's what i thought too. We are called South asians and east asians are referred to Chinese and those people.

[sunilkumar]

It quite odd that many people think INDO is accidental part of Indo-European languages.

The Iranians were killed and became Muslim. They are not Zorastrian anymore. In fact the last remaining ones are in Mumbai India. Where they were given refuge by Hindu Kings. As far as Hinduism or correctly called Arya which is the true name of Hinduism, the birthplace is North India. India has never ever been invaded by Aryans. In fact they allways were there. Their is no books dating back the Athur Veda. Thus, we (Indian) could never have come from there or central of Europe. The Veda does not speak of any invasion, rather it talks of Aryans as allways living by Ganges and Savithri rivers. India is far older. Santskrit is the closest to proto-indoeuropean.

Many nation were defeated by Alexander, It was Aryabrat (INDIA) which stoped Alexander by wounding him and giving him a true defeat in Satasavitri. It was India which spread Buddism throughout the east. It was India which defeated invasion upon invasion of Islamic thugs for 1000 years. Vedism (Hinduism) is still the religion in India.

In Mahabharat Sakuni was Gandhar Naresh (King of Kandhar(Afganistan)) Mama(uncle) of Duryodhan. He was also Aryan. We never migrated from anywhere we were and we are still here... Even Mugal(Muslim) king came here and they become part of India. other wise they were knowing what was happen to Alexander...see smart ruler if they cannot change mind and belief of public then they change themself for public and accept their belief.

See in Hinduism and as per the tradition through out India, after death our (Hindu) body is burn with fire on wood.... & when German die their body is been buried under mud (grave yard).... Aryan funeral were same like Indian Hindu funeral, were body is burn with fire.

[bhachoudhary]

How does it matter? We are Indians all of us. does it matter how and where we came from? What a stupidity to make a poll on a irrelevant topic.

[sunilkumar]

We are Indian...

In my personal opinion our past is not going to come and our present will decide our future...

What we study in school and college about our history is something wrong... which can mislead our coming generation also .

It’s a high time now fact should be shown to our people about our history…

When India entered the dark ages in history (I personally believe it to be around 1100 AD) when India was repeatedly invaded, it deteriorated from being an advanced seat of learning to a state of continuous decay. It was then that we gave up the quest for knowledge. When people do that, they loose the ability to be reasonable and ask questions and start believing in ridiculous things.

That’s why the land of Vedas and texts like the arthashastra, charak's work on medicine didn’t produce anything scientific and knowledgeable after this period. All texts after this period are literature, mostly patronizing the kings or the cultures the authors belong to. This further degenerated with the coming of British, who brought out history texts to create a inferior mindset in Indians. They highlighted the Aryan theory, fight among kingdoms of ancient India to portray the supposedly inability of India to be one country ruled by its own people. This further degenerated the Indian society.

JAI HIND....

[Puneet Sood]

It has been a fact that British people invented the theory of invasion. They tried to justify their presence in India. 'So what if we are invaders, you are too?'
For this they just invented the theory to justify their presence.
Or how is it possible that Aryan people were confined to north and Dravidian people were confined to south. But the faith is common. Remember Hinduism was not founded by any person. It was a way of living developed in a due course.
It was not any sect that was created by any person and later on spread by his followers.