Surinam..Guyana..Trinidad..Important indian colony forgotten by india

[RajivvijaR]

I am sad to know that india stop its influence to the indian ocean. Surinam, a country in south america have 60% of its population who are directly of indian descent. They still speak india and they are practicing islam, indouism.India could grow its influence in south america by helping those indians by providing indian school, indian culture. India could also promote immigration to that country.

We live an age were mineral and oil price are jumping. Surinam, trinidad, guyama are big mineral and oil producer.The industrial sector in those countries are control by people of indian ancestry. They would gladly do business with india.

[India1989]

i know what you are trying to say. But India hasn't forgotten them. We simply didn't know about them.

We came to know about them later and now are trying to work together.

[miqsh]

everything takes time to work. they will do as soon the problems in india have settled down.

[RajivvijaR]

If people like you, Indians of India, pass the message to friends, maybe there will be more Indian who know about us, Indians of South America. And who knows, maybe by domino effect many Indians in the world will want to know more about us and this will encourage the Indian government to be more active with us. Economically Indian are doing very well in south America but the number of the Indian majority is shrinking due to immigration to Holland or America.

Because Indians have very important role in the economy of Surinam, Trinidad or Guyana, it is relatively easy for them to allow more immigrants from India to come and stay in those countries. This is a great advantage for Indians of all part of the world. Surinam is very rich in mineral, gold, woods and even oil in the future. Trinidad already has a lot of oil but unfortunately they are dealing with rampant criminality and violence at this moment, because of black African gangs. Guyana is also very rich in minerals. India badly needs oil and minerals so with the help of Indian decent businessman there they can get good deal.

[India1989]

Yup i have passed on the message to many people and relatives over there. THe Indian government has taken lots of action as i have said before. Lots of Indians from those countries can now visit India without visa and also buy property over there as they can have the dual citizenship now. Even you can get a PIO and be a dual citizenship.

Problem is that not many people in INdia know about the oil resource in those countries. What they are trying to do is to integrate all the Indian people all over the world and bring them back to India. THey are ready to provide whatever they can to meet you satisfaction.

Yup i think the black african gangs are one problems India can't buy oil from them. But right now at this moment India doesn't need much oil. they import some but they can provide 60% of India's need of oil from the oil they get from India. India actually also has huge amounts of oil but as they have to meet the demands oil falls short and thus India is not recognized.

[observer]

But right now at this moment India doesn't need much oil. they import some but they can provide 60% of India's need of oil from the oil they get from India. India actually also has huge amounts of oil but as they have to meet the demands oil falls short and thus India is not recognized.

Actually presently India imports 70 % of the oil it consumes. They are making some big oil-field discoveries in India by private oil-companies and of course the national oil companies, but I don't think we have huge oil reserves. We certainly do have huge coal reserves (biggest in the world) which can be converted to oil and research needs to be done to develop this technique!

RajivvijaR, certainly India should get close to people of Indian origins living everywhere, it's beneficial to India and to Indians living elsewhere.

But I think we should be discreet about it and also focus on cooperating with the countries like Trinidad, Guayana and Surinam as a whole because else the African origin populations and the indigenous populations there might get restive. I've read they already aren't too happy with Indian-origin people there being prominent in business, government etc. They feel left-out. So we should also cooperate with those populations. But I agree, we should have a special-relationship with people of Indian origins there because we are all afterall tied to the same place, India, and we can use these ties for the benefit of both Indians in those countries and in India :)

[RajivvijaR]

I agree with you on this. The African of Trinidad, Guyana are not too happy with Indian being prominent in business. In Uganda Idi Amin use to call all indians “racist” and “thieves” because they use to control a good portion of Uganda’s economy. For them Indians are racist because they are richer, but they don’t seem to accept the same word to qualify their systematic expulsion of thousand Indians from their home.

In Trinidad the Jama'at al Muslimeen (JAM) , an Afro Trinidadian Islamic Radical group are attacking Indian businesses, taking them hostage for random. Notice that Indian descents in country such as Trinidad, Surinam or the Caribbean are called east-Indians. So the Jama’t al Muslimeen are even attacking Muslim East-Indians because they have the same racial profile.

In Surinam, we are luckier than Trinidad because we have less crime and less Muslim. The Islamic faith seems to grow a lot among East-Indians of Guyana, Trinidad but not so much in Surinam. For a reason I ignore, it is easier for a Hindu to become Muslim, more than the other war around.

“Observers”, all Indus are the same; our religion makes us so peaceful and prudent that we let others walk on our shoes. Take the example of Surinam: Indians are a close to 50% majority with 30% creole, 10% Africans, Javanese and others, but they are always rule by non Indians.

Indians erase themselves timidly, staying out of politics to avoid trouble but trouble while the black or Creole minorities take control of the government and give them huge taxes and put them in prison. They stay out of politic but politic keep coming back to them, because they can’t protect themselves.

This is a Suriname president:
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39653000/jpg/_39653583_venetiaan_ap.jpg

I think Indians of Surinam of India from India have a common problem, they are not enough aggressive. They must be more aggressive just like Muslim like Pakistanis, the Arabs, the Chinese, the Americans and they Europeans. I always wonder why India is the oldest civilization and yet they never real expand beyond their zone of influence like the rest of the world. The Muslim left Mecca to find the Atlantic Ocean in the west, beyond china in the east and the steppe of Siberia in the north. Indians never move, they prefer to die home. They waited centuries until the British, the Dutch and the French came to move them around.

The British took Indians and send them to Guyana, Mauritius, Africa and Caribbean. The Dutch did the same thing with Surinam and other colonies. I think it’s about time that Indian stop to care about what other nation think and act for it own interest. India should take more space and expend more. Africa is just beside us, we must be more visible in Africa, South America.

[observer]

I agree with you Rajiv. Indians are too noble and non-aggressive compared to some other cultures. But there are also cultures I've read that consider Indians to be more aggressive than themselves, like for eg. in Phillipines. Maybe it's just that one culture is more aggressive than the other. Indians are maybe more aggrssive than the filipinos (though Indians never invaded and looted filipinos and even those kingdoms that Indian empires conquered like in S-E Asia in ancient times) and less aggressive than Arabs and Europeans. Being aggressive may not be a really good thing but unfortunately most of the world is like that and filled with roguish people. I would personally want India to extoll the best virtues of humanity and not lower ourselves to the extreme aggression and bigotry of Europeans or Arabs and even rid ourselves of the bigotry that we Indians have amongst us.

But we should definitely take a stand where injustice is being done. In the Carribean and S. America if I am not wrong, all the people have come from outside brought by Europeans in the past. So what gives any right to an African origin person there to target the Indian community? They are as from outside as the Indians are, and those lands are as much the homes of the Indians as that of the Africans. So Indians should enter politics and take stands for their own communities because those countries are there because of all the people living there including the Indians.

[India1989]

No wonder i call Indians soft. You think Pakistan and CHina would've existed by now if India wasn't soft.

Well they should make the world aware about their problem or if possible the Indian govt. If they don't have this info then they can't help.

If India wants it can rule over surinam or guyana within days and make Indians the dominant force over there but when i see the east Indians from those countries they usually don't like Indians. I have seen them. Most of them i met don't. Well i think others do. I hope things get bette.r