the 1962 India-China confilct

[靓虬客]

book (http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/oct/08max1.htm)

how Indian think about the above viewpoint? The author deem India should be responsible for the confilct.

[honey]

u can,t blame the 1 for all this there may be some more reasons responsible for this ,there may be some more sitautations responsible for this

[observer]

Indians think the author of that book Neville Maxwell is a person full of misinformation and poison against India. He wrote that book claiming access to the official Indian history of the 1962 war which hasn't been released to the public till date, so his claims are suspicious right there. Moreover he calls Indians names (much like you rude Chinese people do on this forum) so that itself dismisses his standing. If someone is so full of hate for the subject of their work then it takes objectivity out of it right then and there.

Also the Indian PM of that time Nehru was the most dreamy, peace-loving and naive PM India had in its history. He believed China being a communist country wouldn't attack India after China invaded Tibet in 1950 and his advisers warned him against what was coming. Nehru initiated the Panchsheel agreement with China and raised the slogan Hindi-Chini bhai bhai (Indian-Chinese brother brother-- what an idiot he was, rude Chinese like you people can never be an Indian's brother). Heck he even declared a ceasefire when one Indian state was under foreign attack from Pakistan instead of driving the attackers out and took the matter himself to the UN.

So it's propaganda to say Nehru was planning to attack China. He was too trusting of others which came to be bad for India.

[India1989]

Do you guys even actually know what happened in 1962. You guys think India occupied CHinese territory. Stop this rubbish. You guys were building road through Aksai CHin which was our territory. So we asked you guys to back off. But you guys said that we are brothers. Then oneday when we were unprepared then you guys suddenly attacked us.

Pakistan gave you guys Shaskasm valley as a reward in return of you guys attacking us. Everyone knows this.

[Kabir]

Hi Soumo,

Do you guys even actually know what happened in 1962. You guys think India occupied CHinese territory. Stop this rubbish. You guys were building road through Aksai CHin which was our territory. So we asked you guys to back off. But you guys said that we are brothers. Then oneday when we were unprepared then you guys suddenly attacked us.

Pakistan gave you guys Shaskasm valley as a reward in return of you guys attacking us. Everyone knows this.

I would quote what one of these guys said:

"Do not play music in front of a cow,
As cow cannot understand human music"
:D :D
Cheers

[India1989]

lol, yeah you are absolutely right. No matter how much we say and try to prove what is the fact they won't understand. After few months some new person will come and ask the same question. We have to start from beginning again.

[Kabir]

Don't worry about that. I have enough material copied from them with me.
Just need to COPY - PASTE :D:D

lol, yeah you are absolutely right. No matter how much we say and try to prove what is the fact they won't understand. After few months some new person will come and ask the same question. We have to start from beginning again.

[India1989]

Oh that's good. Now we have a backup so that we don't have to type all those things again. It will save us our precious time.

[SLASH]

I don't think Chinese people on this thread have any views of their own.All they do is translate some shit from other sites.I guess thats what happens under military dictatorship :rolleyes: .

[Kabir]

Not to mention, using a translation software "MADE IN INDIA". :D :p


I don't think Chinese people on this thread have any views of their own.All they do is translate some shit from other sites.I guess thats what happens under military dictatorship :rolleyes: .

[India1989]

haha that's true. Without democracy they can't express their own views. They just copy others. Well they don't know actually what happened but they just copy things. Their govt. doesn't teach them what happened in history. Even if they teach they teach them lies.

[iPodSlave]

I think using democracy to claim moral high ground is pathetic, that's a game that western countries play to serve their own interest and fool those less developed countries, if a country achieves economic success without democracy, so be it!

anyway, india1998, love ur busty indian beauties in the other thread, they r hot!!

[India1989]

anyway, india1998, love ur busty indian beauties in the other thread, they r hot!!

THanks very much.

[Kabir]

Hello Ipodslave,

Pleased to meet you.

if a country achieves economic success without democracy, so be it!

I guess you would prefer to spend the rest of your life in a Golden cage, rather than a tough life, but with freedom.

Let me know your thoughts.

Cheers

[inkink]

In 1962, at the early stage of the war, PLA spotted an Indian army post 3 miles north of the McMahon line. India recognizes the McMahon line through a treaty negotiated between India, Britain and the Tibetan local authority, which no Chinese government has ever recognized since the local government in Tibet had no legal authority to negotiate treaties or borders. Therefore even by India's official position the post was illegal and clearly an agression on Chinese territory.

This is an easy fact to corroborate, since it's documented not only in Chinese but other major languages in numerous documents.

Care to elaborate your view on this fact?

Do you guys even actually know what happened in 1962. You guys think India occupied CHinese territory. Stop this rubbish. You guys were building road through Aksai CHin which was our territory. So we asked you guys to back off. But you guys said that we are brothers. Then oneday when we were unprepared then you guys suddenly attacked us.

Pakistan gave you guys Shaskasm valley as a reward in return of you guys attacking us. Everyone knows this.

[inkink]

Dude,

Sorry to jump in your conversation with iPodSlave. Hi! iPodSlave. Good to meet you.

Let me start with a quote by Kishore Mahbubani:"Asian intellectuals—including those from China—agree that the ultimate political destination of all societies is democracy. The destination is not in question; only the route and the timing are."

iPodSlave is not claiming democracy is not desired in China. He was simply arguing that blindly using China's currently political system as a universal logical support for almost any irrelevant argument, like what India1989 did, is pathetic and childish.

When some claimed that Indians would botch up anything they do since their test rocket launch failed, it is absolutely foolish. So is applying China's political reality as a proof for historical facts.



Hello Ipodslave,

Pleased to meet you.



I guess you would prefer to spend the rest of your life in a Golden cage, rather than a tough life, but with freedom.

Let me know your thoughts.

Cheers

[靓虬客]

inkink, pls read your private message!

[Kabir]

Hello Inkink,

Dude,

Sorry to jump in your conversation with iPodSlave. Hi! iPodSlave. Good to meet you.

Let me start with a quote by Kishore Mahbubani:"Asian intellectuals—including those from China—agree that the ultimate political destination of all societies is democracy. The destination is not in question; only the route and the timing are."

iPodSlave is not claiming democracy is not desired in China. He was simply arguing that blindly using China's currently political system as a universal logical support for almost any irrelevant argument, like what India1989 did, is pathetic and childish.

When some claimed that Indians would botch up anything they do since their test rocket launch failed, it is absolutely foolish. So is applying China's political reality as a proof for historical facts.

Thanks for the clarification.
I would also suggest that you look at all the posts in this forum. Any such remark, you find, would be a by-product of provocation.

Cheers

[inkink]

I agree. I also have a hard time understanding the motivation behind this senseless graffiti. Either something really dark or too much testosterone, i guess.

Hello Inkink,

Thanks for the clarification.
I would also suggest that you look at all the posts in this forum. Any such remark, you find, would be a by-product of provocation.

Cheers

[India1989]

In 1962, at the early stage of the war, PLA spotted an Indian army post 3 miles north of the McMahon line. India recognizes the McMahon line through a treaty negotiated between India, Britain and the Tibetan local authority, which no Chinese government has ever recognized since the local government in Tibet had no legal authority to negotiate treaties or borders. Therefore even by India's official position the post was illegal and clearly an agression on Chinese territory.

This is an easy fact to corroborate, since it's documented not only in Chinese but other major languages in numerous documents.

Care to elaborate your view on this fact?

There was no Indian army in your side. India army spotted Chinese building a highway through our territory. Now it was in Kashmir. There was no Macmohan line in Kashmir. It was only in Northeast India. Then You also didn't attack properly. I mean like giving us warning. Just days before the attack your PM came and signed frienship treaty with our country and your army came to us and said that they are our brothers. Then the next day they attacked us suddenly. That's the real story. We never went into your land.

[Zorawar]

Forget 1962 and look to the future!

(hint: see my signature below)

[rohit khaitan]

I am sure the people posting these kind of threads are not chinese.

[Silverbackman]

The problem with China is not democracy. You can be a democratic country and still live in a repressed regime (Imperial Japan is somewhat of an example). The problem is where sovereignty and liberty ultimately lies.

If China had a constitution that guarantees individual sovereignty and freedom for all then democratic elections wouldn't be needed as much. In Chinese society and stateship, all the power is reserved in the government rather than the people. It's the opposite here in the United States, although it is getting worse and worse here as religious fundamentalists get into power and ignore the liberty our founding fathers guaranteed.

And yes, India has a constitution that guarantees rights to all. Though not perfect, it is still far better than what China has. At least a lot of liberty is reserved to the people.

[India1989]

i agree with u silverbackman.

[ybbqj]

Real China and India war - -

Recently everybody after 1962 the China and India boundary war, the Chinese army initiative withdrawal of troops to a war in front of Line of Actual Control matter, had each different view, the most universal view was, China ate in the territory has greatly owed, cheap India. I once had a treasure level the book, was called "China and India Boundary War", afterwards made one to steal, now tells everybody some not widely person to know the secret. Everybody knew that, the China and India boundary war of counterattack in self-defense is divided the east line and the west line two fronts, the east line also has two battlefields, East Asia battlefield and reaches prosperous battlefield, the east line is the Chengdu military region hits, the west line is the Xinjiang military district hits. First said the east line reaches the prosperous battlefield, why first said it? This will be everybody most familiar part, the people most familiar MMAHON line in here, here also is the China and India war main battlefield, Indian armed force tests in you the army is along reaches the prosperous -- nation to enlighten pulls -- Germany to let ancestor launch, the Chinese army counter-attack most already will be fires in this battlefield, the war as soon as will start, the Chinese army has defeated a Darvail brigadier general's travel, has captured the Darvail brigadier general, has hit the MMAHON line, the Chinese army announcement truce, waited for India will respond. Has urgently builded a simply-built road in this period China army, has guaranteed the war commodity supply. The Chinese army second stage goal is takes issues prosperously, after but takes issues prosperously, an inventory victory, discovered captive's population with the Indian armed force quantity difference which defeats too is big, could not achieve prewar settles must split out 30 years border security the goal. Happen to by now the Tibetan reported said that, Indian armed force's reinforcing unit divided three parts to let the ancestor along Germany -- reach the prosperous road to launch, prepares to attack reaches prosperously, the fighter plane appeared, the Chinese army immediately 兵分两路, a group met the approaching enemy Indian armed force along the road between, another group stopped up Indian armed force's rear guard along 贝利 the track, the result adds a Indian armed force halfth brigade division headquarters to clamp in has reached prosperously enlightens with the nation pulls, this was the China and India war most splendid part, had a soldier to rout a Indian armed force artillery company, seized four cannons. Eight soldiers capture 180 Indian soldiers. Half urgently collects the company (originally this is reinforced company which alternates from 贝利 track, and so on drills from remote mountain jungle as soon as looked the all over the mountains and plains Indian soldiers, thought already did not have to become the organic Indian force, also all over the mountains and plains caught captive, received all cannot receive, this company had a more vital duty) outside, these half company 30 fights personnel's, actually enlightened in the nation pulls blocks well equipped 3,000 Indian armed force, Indian armed force has hit several charges to die several hundred people or to have no alternative, finally or division headquarters' advice suggested to division commander, Some has not nearly passed through the person alley, may break through, but did not know also can walk, division commander shouts abuse "? ? ? ? Can walk cannot walk on this road, does not walk also waits for death in this? Also not quickly walks ". Indian armed force has discarded all heavy weapons, dashes about wildly along the alley, behind that half company also chases after and never give up, on the way meets a heavy machine gun class which that company deputy company commander brings in the bridge head blockade, after polishes all bullets, helplessly looks more than 800 Indian armed force swarms. This task of the company originally was shuts off this alley, the covering force which deputy company commander brought carries out the task in every sense of the term, the main force which company commander brought actually patronized catches the captive, but read is blocking the Indian armed force main force to have the merit (other alternation army not promptly to rush), demoted uses, company commander and deputy company commander have fallen. The Chinese army crazily pursued along a kilometer group, projects on Germany to let the ancestor, company leading troops, compared to Indian armed force which escaped also run quickly, under the Indian dumfounded eyelid, a gun did not send, 穿城而过, as soon as turned around stops up Indian armed force in Germany has let the ancestor, ate meal when this company the rest 挖工事, behind came a motorcade, the soldiers gun all without enough time to take, this huge motorcade entered Germany to let the ancestor. And so on overcomes Germany to let the ancestor talent know that, in the vehicle all is the English America emergency aid India's first batch of advanced weapon, has not all opened including the seal, hurriedly has delivered in the Chinese army hand, had the American at that time most advanced M16 rifle. Germany lets in the ancestor fight, has sacrificed a vice- political instructor (vice- camp level), this is the Chinese army the most senior other military officer which fights in the entire China and India boundary counter-attack died in battle. At that time a row Chinese soldier hit starting, received the foot, proceeded to hit by all means, suddenly a soldier dumfoundedly did not dare to proceed, the behind person came up as soon as looked, the mother, front how didn't have the mountain, was the vast great plains, one of them cautiously Germany asked political instructor, we were split out India, hit US. Does political instructor a belly arrogant saying, what know? Front was the Indian subcontinent, again proceeded you to fall in Indian Ocean. Postwar, the Chinese army withdrew troops has reached prosperously (is first stage truce place), then also announced removed 20 kilometers after the Line of Actual Control, arrived the captive Darvail brigadier general's place. East line East Asia battlefield East Asia works as the time curve China and India boundary Line of Actual Control approximately 110 kilometers, is Chinese, Indian, the Sikkim three countries borders place, in the history continuously turns over to Tibet to have jurisdiction. When 1890 the Sikkim or Tibet is, entrusts the Sikkim tribe king by clip clop skin disease Lama to manage, the latter Sikkim tribe king is imprisoned by the English in India, until death is not willing to publish is separated from Tibet the manifesto. As a result of Qing Dynasty government's incompetent, under Li Hongzhang's inciting, Qing government Tibet business minister and England signs the Jar elder brother in Indian governor to reach the treaty, the Sikkim is separated from Tibet (also is separated from China), latter England was India to look for the excuse to start the war to seize the chance to occupy East Asia.

[ybbqj]

Real China and India war - -

Period England in order to avoid the late Qing government to provoke the Tibet incident, suddenly did not acknowledge China to Tibet's suzerain status, the American government warns England, China to Tibet's suzerain status, the English government has reached in the treaty and other related treaties in the Jar elder brother gives to approve, made England greatly to blush. Now the Chinese government also is quoting this instance to stop up American the mouth. The China and India boundary counter-attack wartime, the Indian force has not certainly provoked the incident in this land sector, but in has the certain strength the military strength to garrison, the Chinese army suddenly uses a military strength to start the attack, the progress amazingly quick, at that time will test in you to ride Soviet Union to aid or the rice -8 this inspection which drove by the Soviet, but also had not responded, the helicopter on is seized by the Chinese army, harms tests in you to sit Niu La the hood jeep to run away in spite of the rain, or will be an alternation regiment inner ear, in Lowell on is given favored treatment by the Chinese. This rice --8 helicopter is the only 11 Indian armed force's helicopter which China seizes, the Chinese postwar foreign announcement returns Indian armed force's all equipments which seizes, but this helicopter not also. Postwar continuously thought China withdrew troops from East Asia, removed the prewar Line of Actual Control. Skillful, today the CCTV 10 sets happen to have broadcast a section of this local flat and thin piece, as soon as looked, here present called Yadong County, the boundary to return to the Sikkim was separated from when Tibet at that time the place, was the Qing government sets up the customs the place. PLA not only has not drawn back, but also set out many. Really is exciting. Also west line, west line area broad, also has to be similar to MMAHON line XXX, also is the English also does the ghost, India in the present boundary negotiations was persisting this already does not exist the line, the critical time is significant, nearly 300,000 square kilometers. When west line China army counter-attack, Indian armed force in Shiquan River (presently Tibet Ngari area capital), in has a company the military strength, the entire area is a camp military strength, rolling mine hero Luo Guangxi (the Sichuan person, did not know everybody did not remember) the story occurs in here. In has a Banlian in the spot male lake area the military strength. At that time the Xinjiang military district army, continuously has hit Himalaya Mountains, to the New Delhi more than 300 kilometers, frightened India in the park to dig the fortification on the New Delhi avenue, the massive residents ran away to the urban district, the various countries are stationed abroad the organization to evacuate in abundance. The postwar Chinese army was withdrew troops, but has not drawn back to the prewar Line of Actual Control, now to the Shiquan River recent frontier station, embarks from Shiquan River, the place two days automobiles, walked two days roads to be able again to arrive. To spot male lake recent frontier station, also above some 120 kilometers. The China and India boundary counter-attack wartime, Chairman Mao had said section of speeches, "the Chinese all knew, China does have 9.6 million square kilometers national territory, which in the elementary school textbook is writing, all knew including the babies, could not arrive in my Mao person's hand to become 9.3 million square kilometers, baseless has been short 300,000 square kilometers, you could not let me carry traitor's charge to see the ancestor". Everybody saw clearly, the China and India boundary war of counterattack in self-defense, China has altogether bought back since the late Qing government more than 300,000 square kilometers territories which lost in the China and India boundary, 300,000 square kilometers, you could imagine it to have in a big way? Now you had understood the Chinese government proposed many times carried on the boundary negotiations take the existing pilot wire as the foundation, the truth which why the Indian hard work didn't comply (Small interlude) In 1962 attended the China and India boundary counter-attack combat in the west line the army, his predecessor came from to the war of liberation time Dongye 7 vertical 1 teacher, was an illustrious mighty army crack force, is in the Chinese People's Liberation Army army (closure at present up to) only 11 has joined all significant wars army since the liberation. At present this Shi Huju area south of Yellow River, well-equipped, "is flying the tiger armed force" to soaring China the development, is a central committee is trustworthy, the people may rely on, the size enemies all are afraid trump card army. If non- must compares him and the foreign troops, is just like is US'S army 82nd airborne division. This teacher in participated in 1962 in the China and India boundary counter-attack combat to set out the west line, continuously printed the boundary to project on the India tropical rain forest, successively eliminated the Indian elite troops "锡克" the travel and "the gallery you the tan oak" army and so on camp, since latter is called in the world the innate army "most outstanding", "most tenacious", "most has the battle efficiency", "most lets the enemy feared" completely the army which by the Nepali burr soldier was composed. The result the rifle is bursting out 慑 under the person heart and soul cold brightness bayonet in my XXX teacher 56 types, these grasp 弯刀 "throughout history the most Niu B army" to disintegrate! Obtains the pitiful destiny which wipes out! This teacher leading troops continuously project on from the elevation 6,000 meters plateaus to New Delhi only have nearby 300 kilometer 恒河 on, the entire winter clothing completely is already pulled by the thorn rottenly, the soldiers put on are resembling were the half sub- cotton-wadded trousers which "the cotton-wadded trousers vent" resembles carry on the fight, meets no resistance with irresistible force, the world opinion clamors. Because has not received the order, this teacher prepares continuously to project on New Delhi. This time New Delhi already chaotic arrived the extreme, on the nation hundred million Indian refugees has welled up to the security area. On international, US and Soviet Union also breathless raise a clamor, but, also all only ships the military equipment, does not dare to dispatch troops into battle. Behind continuously arrives communications unit's Central Military Committee written life which this teacher receives catches up with 令才 to withdraw troops to return to homeland. After returns to homeland above, the Central Military Committee praises this teacher to arrange cadre each person of Switzerland which seizes from the Indian armed force hand "the gas needle" the military wristwatch, afterwards, this teacher continuously spread a speech "to have the gas needle, did not fear the beard was deep", looked for when the object opposite party as soon as looked People's Liberation Army had the gas needle wristwatch, namely knew was XXX teacher cadre, this teacher has not married the female family members the cadre to become the station beautiful appearance female first choice "the white horse prince".

[India1989]

ok briefly China has beaten us in 1962 war. THey had taken more then 150,000 square kilometer of our territory but later they gave it back to us. But they still occupied 35000 square kilometer of our territory which is the Aksai Chin.

At that time Indian military was ill equipped and recently got independence. They were not prepared.

So there are many other factors which lead to Indian loss.

it was said that nehru brought down the number of people in Indian army from 500,000 to 200,000 at that time and also did not allow IAF to attack Chinese army bases. So it was a complete intelligence and strategic failure for India and a humiliating lose to China.

I still regret the year 1962. That year no one celebrated Diwali.