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ybbqj
08-23-2006, 11:41 PM
Reconsiders the China and India war
http://clubpic2.chinaren.com/uploadfile/200608/502/63834b58.gif
Day before yesterday, saw to 1962 the China and India conflict material, really felt the anxiety. Around 1962, China and India eruption boundary war. The war origins from China and India "the MMAHON line", is evil consequence which the British empire colonialism plants.
1.the MMAHON line is the illegal separatrix, is a separatrix which the English delimits at will, does not have any law, the treaty, the historical basis. At the same time, England lured the illegal agreement which the Tibet local authority signed at that time, inadequately for this separatrix basis. The Chinese all previous years central authorities already do not acknowledge the MMAHON line, also did not acknowledge the English India government and the Tibet local authority signs agreement.
2, the war cause lies in, after the independence Indian government presumptuously thinks by this line to take the separatrix, unilaterally delimits the national boundary between both countries, extremely does not gather the international convention and the criterion; Indian armed force marks off the statement along with the Indian government, unceasingly to the boundary line advancement, builds the massive gate houses, and crossed "the MMAHON line" so-called, voluntarily assigns the boundary, its behavior quite unreasonable, is shameless!
3, the war advancement indicated that, the Indian government army collapses at the first blow. In the war, the bilateral weapon quite, the army population approximately quite, finally, Indian armed force loses more than 6,000 people, is captured several thousand people, including a brigadier general person, China loses approximately 700 people, not the war prisoner, Chinese front advancement to "the MMAHON line", the part crossed this.
4th, the war indicated that, backwardness needs to come under attack, the international politics only has the benefit. 1962 China, beset with difficulties both at home and abroad, in has three years disaster, outside has the united states and chiang to initiate a turn of offensive. Soviet Union was arousing the missile crisis conflict at that time with US, the conflict just a conclusion, Soviet Union transfers the mouth to criticize China, really wore is hateful. Because of this, India only then is bully visits.
5th, the war has torn into shreds India "non-allied" the false coat, lets Nehru be defeated , the conclusion apparents the great glory image. In the war later period, India starts to accept national weapon aid and so on English America, takes the leadership "non-allied" the movement country, hereafter on "non-allied" center the status as soon as falls thousand weaponry.
6th, the war result is big the world to expect, China wins draws back the armed force, also returns all prisoners of war and the war booty. Chinese then consideration was: Chinese rear service support supports and the English America country start with difficulty enters. At the same time, also conforms to the Chinese tradition psychology custom, Rao Renchu also bountiful person. China quits when you're ahead, for the face which the Indian government left office, avoided China and India for capture the territory to have the protracted war.
7th, I believe, China draws back the armed force truly too to be many, draws back to the prewar Line of Actual Control, also again draws back 20 kilometers, changes hands to the hand big piece land. But the Indian government seizes the chance to occupy the existence dispute the land, and massive immigrations. If China can defend stubbornly the frontline position, or embarks from the political war, symbolic oves defends stubbornly again, then will grasp later to solve the territory conflict initiative, to the later advantageous influence will be inestimable. At that time Chinese army take the frontier force primarily, reassigned in Tibet and in the Sichuan army as auxiliary, namely greatly broke the Indian armed force main force, was precisely the three services goes all out, the populace supported result. After Indian armed force defeats the morale of troops to disperse, believed Chinese symbollic, again returns the prisoner of war to show in order to help is good, India not necessarily dares to fight again. Nowadays the situation has become, the China and India territory conflict inevitably for a long time will maintain. But India cared for into the South Asia overlord along with the recent years fast development, its economical, technical, the army non- former days have been possible compared to, its military development trend, the marine fleet to enter the Pacific Ocean, the development nucleus military and so on the strategic target, all take China as the imaginary match, became the future trouble. :p
India1989
08-24-2006, 05:10 PM
Had nehru been more smarter at that time we wouldn't have been defeated so badly. But still congrats to Chinese that they won. And its true that you gave us back our POW's. That's really nice and kind. We also do the same thing like we gave back Pakistan 93000 POW's in1971 war. But its not the same with the Pakistanis. THey mutilate the body of enemy soldiers and toss them across the border.
observer
08-26-2006, 08:27 AM
The last word on the war hasn't been written yet.
India1989
08-30-2006, 09:38 PM
yeah these chinese won one war somehow by the method of cowardice, they think they rule.
u r no match now. we will finish u. if nukes are not used we will defeat u. u underestimate India too much.
chooo123
08-31-2006, 03:39 AM
This link to a thread that showing how Chinese people think about 1962's war.
It's interesting to see how they think.
http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/index.php?showtopic=939
I am tired about talking that confilct in 1962,we should look forward!
gs001
08-31-2006, 10:44 PM
yeah these chinese won one war somehow by the method of cowardice, they think they rule.
u r no match now. we will finish u. if nukes are not used we will defeat u. u underestimate India too much.
So you want to challenge them again?
http://bbs.people.com.cn/bbs/ReadFile?whichfile=12737039&typeid=14
India1989
09-17-2006, 01:01 AM
Bring it on!!! We are ready. You need so many people and weapons to handle us. We just need these to blow you guys up once and for all.http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1127/csmimg/p8b.jpg
http://www.worldsecuritynetwork.com/ArticleImages/brahmosMissile_web.jpg
India1989
09-17-2006, 01:04 AM
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/5/5c/240px-India.Military.02.jpg
http://www.xp-office.de/su-30/Bilder/Sukhoi-30MK-Flanker_jpg.jpg http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Images/Delhi12.jpg
gs001
09-17-2006, 07:44 AM
You mean your missile technology, battleplane and battleship
technology have any advantage over China's?
hahaha
I have to warn you that you are repeating the same mistake of 1962
"I am tired about talking that confilct in 1962,we should look forward!" by ??? (whatever)
why?
megaman
09-18-2006, 05:43 AM
Everywhere I go the Chinese are doing the same thing. The come to Indian forums and open their big mouth to dish out their propaganda. They do it everywhere! Every forum on the internet! They are so ignorant. We continue to turn the other cheek and they talk the worse about our India. But no matter. They can continue on their path to destruction.
observer
09-20-2006, 06:54 PM
1962 was nothing. China withdrew before major battle could take place. You think taking on a bunch of Indians who live on the plains on your favoured territory the mountains was bravery? India didn't even deploy its air force in 1962. What pride over a 6 day border skirmish hah!
snower
09-28-2006, 10:07 PM
The following is from "India's China War" by Neville Maxwell
see how the great India behave in 1962.
On November 20, the American Ambassador noted "ultimate panic in Delhi, the first time I have ever witnessed the disintegration of public morale." Fear was in the air, and rumors were spreading that the Chinese were about to take Tezpur, even land paratroops in the capital, and that General Kaul was taken prisoner. Late that night Nehru made an urgent and open appeal for the intervention of the United States with bombers and fighters squadrons to go into action against the Chinese. Nehru requested fifteen squadrons and appealed American aircraft to undertake strikes against Chinese troops on Indian territory and to provide cover for Indian cities. In response, an American aircraft carrier was dispatched from the Pacific towards Indian waters, but the crisis passed twenty-four hours after Nehru made this appeal, and the aircraft carrier turned back.
observer
09-29-2006, 08:34 PM
Don't quote that idiot Maxwell. He called Indians "useless , lazy people" or words to that effect. One could see his dislike for brown skinned Indian people from that statement. He was a partial writer only telling the Chinese side of the story. If he decided to suck Chinese ass that's no reason for you Chinese to jump up and down and quote him.
I can show a 100 reputed miltary historical records which say Indian Airforce was superior at that time compared to the Chinese airforce. There is no way China could have done anything with its airforce (which it didn't afterall, why?) whereas Indian airforce was sitting on the ground without being used by the foolish Nehru (he was fool the 1st time itself to sign a cooperation agreement with you Chinese).
Let me tell you Chinese aren't anything scary to Indian people despite what you Chinese might keep on thinking idiotically. India may think better before picking a fight with the US or EU but the common Indian doesn't think anything of China, never did. What the common Indian thinks of the Chinese from 1962 is as an unreliable, rogue country that went back on its word and can't be trusted.
Lastly there may have been some concern amongst the Indian public in 1962 with reports of impending airstrikes but common people from anywhere would be concerned in such circumstances. That is nothing to showcase in it which only malicious people like Maxwell and Chinese like you would do. There was leadership failure in India yes. That's why you Chinese gained whatever border territories you gained.
snower
09-29-2006, 09:22 PM
. He was a partial writer only telling the Chinese side of the story. .
Actually, if you really read that book, you would easily find the book is exclusively based on Indian Defense Department's archive. because he has no access to any chinese document of that war. hehe. I don't think he is biased against India. on the contrary, he is strongly biased against china. because This book adopts many Indian assertations. for example, It claims that Indian army in this war was outmanned and outgunned by Chinese. In fact, the two army of both sides are of roughly the same size. Since China got many more strong neighbours and enemies than India, She has to maintain large forces on the border of Soviet Rassia, on the border of Korean in preparation for the possible invasion of US force, and on the southeast coast to watch Taiwan, who always threat to recover the mainland.How can Chinese outmanned Indian on the desolate Tibetan plateau?
another wrong Indian assertation in this book is that they believe Chinese army are better supplied in the war. If we simply have a look of a map we would easily know the Indian side of the border is mostly plain, while Chinese side is the vast mountainous Tibetan plateau.It's much more difficult to build roads on Chinese side (in fact there is no railway cuts into Tibet even nowadays, 2004). Indian army could be supplied by air, the Chinese actually were supplied by men and mules.The author could have easily know this point if he got chance to read some Chinese documents about the war.
. I can show a 100 reputed miltary historical records which say Indian Airforce was superior at that time compared to the Chinese airforce.
ok, maybe you are right. at that time, indian can buy more and better air fighers from USSR and the west, while china is banned by them both. but my point is, china can manufacture our own fighter in 1955 (of course copying Mig). but india had not any air industry at the time of 1962. if an air war broke out, how long can you sustain? if your air force cannot get supplement from local industry but only rely on oversea trade, you know the result...
I tell you the true reason why Nehru did not use airforce. see the map please, chinese airforce basements in Tibet is only 400 KM from New Dehli. but any indian airforce basement is at least 4000 KM away from Beijing and shanghai, in such a situation, not to use airforce is a wise decision. otherwise all north indian cities would be put in "sea of fire", while you could not make even a tiny hurt to Beijing and shanghai...
I think I make it clear...
observer
09-29-2006, 09:46 PM
The official Indian war history for 1962 hasn't been relased till today to anyone. How did Maxwell access it? That sounds suspicious then and there. Moreover this book by Maxwell became quite popular among China's leaders who wielded it on many occassions to tell the world about Indian's "agression". So the book became a tool in China's information warfare. All this when this book's validity hasn't been established till today.
Regarding the number of soldiers fighting, the fighting infact took place on mountaneous terrain where Indian soldiers were in less numbers and untrained for mountain war. On the other hand China funnily (or perhaps not so surprisingly) withdrew when the time came to fight on the plains.
I don't know whether China could manufacture any fighters at that time but only being able to make your own spares don't help much when the planes themselves are weak.
In any case the war that happened in 1962 was a border skirmish which got bungled up by India's incompetent leaders of that time. Here's another border skirmish that happened in 1967 which was somewhat payback time --
In 1965, two significant events took place on the Sine-Indian border. The first was the warning issued to India about Chinese sheep not being allowed to graze on their side of the border by India. This happened in September 1965 when the Indo-Pak war was simmering on India’s western border.
At the same time, in September-December 1965, the PLA sent probing missions on the entire Sikkim-Tibet border. According to one account, there were seven border intrusions on the Sikkim-Tibet border between September 7 and December 12, 1965, involving the PLA. In all these border incursions, the Indian side responded “firmly” without provoking the other. Though details of casualties of these PLA border incursions are not reported, there were reports indicating that the PLA suffered “heavy” casualties against “moderate” loss by India.
Two years later, in September 1967, in spite of their setbacks in 1965, the PLA launched a direct attack on the lndian armed forces at Nathu La, on the Sikkim-Tibet border. The six-day “border skirmishes” from September 7-6 to 13, 1967, had all the elements of a high drama, including exchange of heavy artillery fire, and the PLA soldiers tried to cross the border in large numbers.
The attack was repulsed at all points, According to an account of this incident, from the details of the fighting available, it appeared the Chinese had received a severe mauling in the artillery duels across the barbed wire fence. Indian gunners scored several direct hits on Chinese bunkers, including a command post from where the Chinese operations were being directed. The Chinese were also known to have suffered at least twice as many casualties as the Indians in this encounter between Indian and Chinese armed forces.
The important point to be remembered in this context is that the late Chairman Mao launched his Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution (GPCR) in 1965 and it reached its peak in 1967 to weed out all ‘anti-socialist elements” from the Chinese polity. Though many Sinologists would not like to describe the GPCR in any other manner, for an outsider like me, it was essentially a power struggle between Chairman Mao and his adversaries.
However, for the purposes of this essay, three significant things emerged from the Nathu La episode on the Sikkim-Tibet border. First, the Indian armed forces demonstrated beyond doubt that the PLA is not as strong and motivated as it was made out to be. In fact, there were rumours, around September 10, 1967, that the PLA was planning to bring in the Air Force to escalate the conflict. Sensing that the Indians were getting ready for such an eventuality, the Chinese official news agency, Xinhua, denied having any such plans.
Second, the Indian politico-military leadership quickly realised this myth about the PLA. This was clearly reflected in the unconditional ceasefire proposed by India in a note delivered to the Chinese on September 12, 1967, all along the Sikkim-Tibet border from 05.30 hrs on September 13. Though officially, the Chinese rejected this unilateral ceasefire offer by India, except for an occasional salvo by the PLA on September 13, 1967, there was a lull all along the border. Many observers felt India scored a psychological victory over the Chinese for the latter’s unilateral ceasefire in 1962.
Lastly, the Indian political leadership also realised that the PLA’s behavioural pattern on the border had something to do with the domestic turmoil then going on in China
From - http://ignca.nic.in/ks_41065.htm
Punjabi
10-17-2006, 08:22 PM
The Indian politicians screwed up in 1962 & the Chinese rats took advantage of that. :rolleyes:
lidifantasy
10-17-2006, 10:37 PM
yeah these chinese won one war somehow by the method of cowardice, they think they rule.
u r no match now. we will finish u. if nukes are not used we will defeat u. u underestimate India too much.
dear friend, we chinese don't want to use war to prove who is more stronger in arm.what we want is peace,equal and democracy!
desidudecool
10-17-2006, 11:30 PM
interesting that wars between china and india are more important to people here than wars between indian and pakistan haha
dear friend, we chinese don't want to use war to prove who is more stronger in arm.what we want is peace,equal and democracy!
well my friend, an idiot proclaiming to be chinese on this thread has the misplaced notion that to be a great nation, a country has to win a major war and he was citing the example of 1962 indo chinese conflict.
in doing so perhaps he forgot that war brought much misery to chinese people during the japanese invasion.
we are just putting things in perspective for him. Offcourse I don't believe this idiot represents chinese people but it was important to enlighten ( or at least try) him.
Punjabi
10-18-2006, 03:25 PM
interesting that wars between china and india are more important to people here than wars between indian and pakistan haha
That is strange, considering that chances of an Indo-Pak war are far greater than an Indo-China one :)
snower
10-19-2006, 04:58 PM
That is strange, considering that chances of an Indo-Pak war are far greater than an Indo-China one :)
really? is there any side in indo-pak war that has more than 3000 soldiers killed and 4000 captured?
really? is there any side in indo-pak war that has more than 3000 soldiers killed and 4000 captured?
yes stupid...read ur history books ....in 1971 war 50000 pakistani soldiers surrendered to indian army in erstwhile east pakistani...
duh...where do u come from snower...ur mind is numb or what..go read buddy...hehehe
snower
10-19-2006, 05:19 PM
yes stupid...read ur history books ....in 1971 war 50000 pakistani soldiers surrendered to indian army in erstwhile east pakistani...
oh, really? sorry i don't know that. :)
oh, really? sorry i don't know that. :)
its ok..u were born stupid and remained so it seems...hahaha
come let me give you some knowledge...here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_Liberation_War
at least now u realise u dont know things...why dont u hide in shame instead of insulting urself again and again....
poor chinese...hahaha....all u know is Mao????
India1989
10-25-2006, 05:24 AM
yes stupid...read ur history books ....in 1971 war 50000 pakistani soldiers surrendered to indian army in erstwhile east pakistani...
duh...where do u come from snower...ur mind is numb or what..go read buddy...hehehe
actually /india took 93000 prisoners of war.
lidifantasy
10-25-2006, 07:44 PM
I think more than half a centry Indian and Pakistan are a whole nation.How can you talk about it so easy without any painful?If the 2 countries fight each other,I think you are killing yourselves.My friends, be calm....
lidifantasy
10-25-2006, 07:58 PM
Everywhere I go the Chinese are doing the same thing. The come to Indian forums and open their big mouth to dish out their propaganda. They do it everywhere! Every forum on the internet! They are so ignorant. We continue to turn the other cheek and they talk the worse about our India. But no matter. They can continue on their path to destruction.
nowadays, many chinese thought china today is quite strong.and want to propaganda to the neighbour countries.but they are wrong,because there are many poor people who are living in rural areas.there are small amount of people who are rich in china.and many of them are the relatives of government officials.Indeed, the progress which china has got is great.but there are still many things need us to do for the future of china.according to the topic,I am gratitude to the people who raise the topic.Both chinese and Indian can express the misunderstanding of each other,and therefore ,we can melt with all the misunderstanding of each other.I hope we can become friend for ever.
Puneet Sood
10-26-2006, 02:39 PM
Anyway it is a fact that India started to focus on its Army and other forces only after Indo-China War. And it is due to this attention that India was able to defeat Pakistan. But now, more attention should be given to trade and industry, but forces has not to be ignored in the way of fifties.
A strong economy can have a strong army these days. So both factors are necessary.
snower
10-26-2006, 03:41 PM
nowadays, many chinese thought china today is quite strong.and want to propaganda to the neighbour countries.but they are wrong,because there are many poor people who are living in rural areas.there are small amount of people who are rich in china.and many of them are the relatives of government officials.Indeed, the progress which china has got is great.but there are still many things need us to do for the future of china.according to the topic,I am gratitude to the people who raise the topic.Both chinese and Indian can express the misunderstanding of each other,and therefore ,we can melt with all the misunderstanding of each other.I hope we can become friend for ever.
you are the wise man here :)
you are the wise man here :)
oh, the idiot finally realised a wise chinese...what will u do snower...kill lidifantasy? he doesn't share ur lies about china...hahaha...
put the secret police behind him...fast fast...
India1989
10-30-2006, 12:40 AM
Well, misunderstanding within countries doesn't end that easily. So you can keep hope but don't expect that hope to come true.
iPodSlave
11-04-2006, 05:57 PM
http://web.wenxuecity.com/BBSView.php?SubID=military&MsgID=345512
This is a Chinese BBS that talks about that war, I think our indian friends may have never seen some of the pictures, pay attention to the one guy with both his hands up in the air and with an awkward smile on his face, I think he is a general...
hey nice pictures u have there. do u also have some pictures of the sino japanese war when japan took over half of china? :d
what abt pictures of tienamann square. does your government let u share those or will the red army become red if u do that...hehehe
EyeOnTheWall
11-14-2006, 08:02 AM
I have seen photos from Japanese invasion of China. Hundreds of Chinese heads are cut off and rolling on the ground like footballs.
I have seen photos from Japanese invasion of China. Hundreds of Chinese heads are cut off and rolling on the ground like footballs.
What you are saying!
You should not say that if you are a common human being.....:confused:
snower
11-15-2006, 07:28 PM
indian psycho is terribly soured and distorted by the 1962 defeat, hehe.
no wonder.
rohit khaitan
11-18-2006, 04:25 PM
Snower first of all i dont believe that u r a chinese.
And if at all you are. Why do u want to discuss war? Why not discuss how we can benefit from mutual trade.?
Lets discuss how we can be freinds so that we dont repeat the mistakes of our grandparents.
No matter who s killed in a war. The person who dies is a brother, a son, a bread earner of the family.
And whats the pleasure in killing someone who we dont even know.
If let say we agree u have better missiles and rockets or nuclear technology. Will u want me to be killed? Or would i want u to be killed? Then why discuss these topics??
snower
11-19-2006, 12:06 PM
rohit khaitan, first of all, i'm a chinese. you believe it or not, i am.
as you said, why not be friend? why discuss about war? you should rather ask this question to indians, not chinese. it is obvious that the chinese nearly forget the 1962 war, but indian did not. indian invests are greatly welcomed in china, but chinese invests are banned and discriminated in india. india host dalai lama, india inherit the british ambition of tibet land and try all means to take tibet, a sub-kingdom subjected to chinese rule ever since 13 centory, away from china.
i talked about war because i'm really frustrated by indian hostillity against china. india need to be reminded of her real capacity. for china, a hostile india might be a threat concerning tibet, but for india, a hostile china is a doom concerning the whole indian nation.
as i said, indian psycho is terribly soured and distorted by the 1962 defeat. it is hard for them to look at china in a calm and rational mood. isn't it?
observer
11-23-2006, 01:07 PM
snower better go away from this forum. I for one won't read or respond to your posts anymore and I hope others follow suit too, because you are here just to create mischief.
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rohit khaitan
12-02-2006, 01:53 PM
i agree with u observer. i will do the same as well. whats the use of throwin a stone in the puddle.
chinesemilitaryfan
12-08-2006, 12:08 AM
hi everyone
first,I am gentleman,don't use bad words to me ,although I am a chinese.
Second,The reason I am here is that there is no forum in china which is interesed in that war took place long time ago,but I am interesed in it.
chinesemilitaryfan
12-08-2006, 12:16 AM
I have gone through many documents about that war ,not only in chiese but also in english.I am very glad to share my opinion with the people who is also interested nomatter he/she is chinese,indian or whatever.
We will just discuss the issue technically,pls don't be so sensitive and emotional about my words,because I am not sure whether I can use the words correctly or not,after all I am not as good as ur guys at english.
The purpose of our discussion is to exchange our ideas and experience which might help us in future.Because we all have our patencial enemies which might fight with us.
1.
chinesemilitaryfan
12-08-2006, 12:30 AM
1.The purpose that Mao launched that war was not simple.it was not only related to the territory but also in order to draw the attention of chinese people.Because by that time we had a lot of domestic problems which were caused by mao's ditactorship.It is a long story,i put it in one word,majority of chinese were suffering form mao's domestic policies although they didn't dare to speak it up.Mao could also tell this,he can feel that if the domestic presure can not be derived to some outside affares he will lose his power.India came up in that wrong time,eventually became the sacrific.External affairs can always be used to do this.Because chinese have this tradition:If there are some threads from outside,chinese will give up the fighting among them and be united very tightly.
chinesemilitaryfan
12-08-2006, 12:50 AM
2.India was the iniator of the non-allyne movement,it was very promising to be the leader of this movement and further to be the leader of the third world.China is not satisfied with that.Why?China was already very proud of what she achieved in the past decade,china thought china should be the leader instead of india.But china didn't have the excuse to take the leadership from india, so defeating india in the battlefield is the best way to approve china's leadership.U may ask me what the hell china acheved in the past decade?I can tell u ,a lot.
First,World war II help china winning a lot respects and reputation.With the participation of chinese militory forces,japanese can not spare too much troops to other countries.So US and UK people's military presure in other countries is shared by chinese.Our chinese troops killed totally 1 million japs inside and outside of china.Of course ,during the war,there were totally 23 million chinese people(most are civilian)were killed by japs.That is why china(KMT goverment) have the honor to have the permanent seat in UN.Mao's army was also one part of KMT troops,they were also qualified to be the winner of WW II.Can you imagine without the resistence of chinese troops,how many other countries would be invaded by japs?
chinesemilitaryfan
12-08-2006, 12:58 AM
I would say without the help of SU and US,we can also drive japs aways from china,but maybe need few years more.
Secondly,mao's army drove KMT armys which were equiped whih US weapons to taiwan,mao is also very proud of it.
Last but not the least, we drove back US army(in fact it is UN army,not only US army) from our border to 38 line by korean war.We cann't say we won the korean war,but we had a draw with US which was and is the superpower of the world.
chinesemilitaryfan
12-08-2006, 01:09 AM
From all the story I hope u guys can tell: Mao's generation believe in force only.They experienced so many wars,in their mind only the victory of the war can speak the last word. I think even now US goverment still has the same idea with mao but maybe in another format.I also believe in this point.I hope u indian also believe in this.Only in this way ,you can realy establish your status in the world. Indo-pakistan war is a good example,india can not have a determining victory so the conflicts always annoy u. Sorry,I am very friendly to pakistan,I am just talking about mao's idea.I can tell u,if it were china instead of india has the conflict with neigbour,china will deal it in another way.
chinesemilitaryfan
12-08-2006, 01:20 AM
When finally mao made the dicision to take a war with india,he told the general who was in charge of this war:This war should win our peace at least for 20 years.It is true ,we've already had peace for two times of 20 years.
Infact china-india war was not just one single battle,there were few small conflicts before it.After the conflicts, we all came back to the negociaion table,but we all knew that the negociation is just a excuse for preparation of next biger conflicts.China an US all got this experience during korean war.But,by that time ,indian side was different.Ur PM was a great man,I respect hime so much,but I must say,he was not a great politician.He made a lot wrong dicisions by that time.I got this information from ur indian article.
chinesemilitaryfan
12-08-2006, 01:24 AM
First,he believed in negociation(talk),but words is cheap,so far there are still many indians pay attention to talk( My indian colleagues keep talking everyday,it is so annoying,but they don't like to take action,)this is the worst shortcoimng of indian.our chiness also have shortage,but let's stick to the war.
chinesemilitaryfan
12-08-2006, 01:32 AM
Sometimes words work but sometime words don't work.That is why US sent troops to so many countries now.By that time ,it was very obviouse that talk can not settle the issue down,plus the reason from our china inside.So both sides starts to prepare for the war.But ur PM made another mistake:He illly(recited from indian artical) prepared the war.He overestimated his troops which never expericensed real big war in the past and underestimated chinese troops which was established from various wars.
chinesemilitaryfan
12-08-2006, 01:41 AM
"Back stabber" is a term used to our chinese,but I can tell u it is just an excuse of your incapable military leader.I know so far the goverment documents about that war is still not open to people in india.Sooner or later, u indian will have chance to have a view of those documents,then you will realise ur goverment found so many excuses for the defeating of that war.I can't say india is a democratic country on this point.
chinesemilitaryfan
12-08-2006, 03:20 AM
Some people say that china used much more troops than india did.It is not ture,General Kaul(I don't know how to call his rank in english and how to call the troop unit he was leading in english,anyway,it is a big troop) was captured, but we were not able to capture another general whose rank is higher than Kaul's due to some funny reason.That why one of our officer was punished after the war because it is him who let that higher rank general fleet.From this case u can see that india sent big troops for this war otherwise there wouldn't be several indian generals.The key of the winning is from the experiences which gained from many wars we took before,and also we can get all the experiences approved by our Sun Twu's theories which were established thousants years ago.
chinesemilitaryfan
12-08-2006, 04:05 AM
From this war,we can tell,In this world,nothing is free,experienced people defeated unexperienced people,it is fair.Because chinese people shed blood to gain the experience in the previouse wars,indian people didn't.As far as tactics of this war are concerned,I really pity my poor english,so I cann't put is to u guys too much,but from some articles about this war writen by US people,I can tell we used the same tactics which were used in korean war with US troops,it was very effective.That means chinese troops treated indian troops like US troops(As far as force's strengh is concerned,although later on chinese found indian were much weaker than US).That means we never underestimated our enemy in battle field,but indian did.
chinesemilitaryfan
12-08-2006, 04:25 AM
Another key point is weapon.By that time ,chinese troops were already equiped with 56 type auto rifle(I don't know the english name for it,it is the copy of famouse AK-47),and the 56 family includes a complete series,machine gun and so on. It was the top weapon on that time.But look at indian troops,they were still equiped with various aged weapons from WWI to WWII,indians weapons at that time were like a weapons expo of the world.I got this from the returned weapons' list(in this list ,you can see weapons form many countries) of china after the war.We not only returned all the weapons we got also returned 5000 indian captured soliders(Nowadays,indian still has the world's weapon expo problem).
Auto rifle fighting manual rifle which needed to be loaded bullet after every shot,it was not a match.That is why there was a story in the war,few PLA soilders can block hundrades retreating indian soilders.
From this point ,we can tell how important that big country should has its own independent military industry. In this point ,we must thank the former SU(russia),they really helped us alot in building the complete military industry system.Although later on we broke up with SU,we still need to speak good of this point. Is the break-up a good thing or bad thing?I would say it is a good thing.It is a lesson to chinese,it tought chinese:In this world, there is nothing can really rely on except yourself,no friends can be forever ,only interest can be forever. So chinese start to produce every weapon by themself,now from R&D to mass production, we can make jet fighter(J10) tank (99)warship(171&172) manned spaceship(shenzhou 5,6) and so on.On the other hand I would say,the exteme logic of mao generation was also quite strange,by that time,as communist country we were already quite isolated,but mao even isolated ourself more,he considered every other country as enemy,because of this,we lost a lot of chances to make friends with those countries.It is not good.Nowadays,there are still some exteme chinese(old people,have been washheaded forever) saying:that showed people that mao is a real great man with real back bone,but I don't agree.In my mind it showed us mao's ignorance.
Look at indian side,they went to another extremeside.AS a so-called democratic country ,they never made enemy of other countries(except pakistan and china of 1962,US was not friendly to india,but at least not like china,china fought with US for several times,india didn't),so they can get many weapons from the world.But what happened now?India still doesn't have a complete military industry line,LCA and Ajun tank are the jokes of the world.Some indian don't agree,they say:we are using every latest technology in our jet and tank so we take longer timer to integrate them.But I can tell you,integration of all new technologies is not simple task,without the complete capability from R&D to production , good integration is impossible.
chinesemilitaryfan
12-08-2006, 03:24 PM
It seems we jumped away from the war,ok I go back .India did have some good weapons by that time as well,but not massly equiped.M16 aslo came up in that war,which was also the best gun by that time.But unfortunately,most of M16 got no chance to be used by indian soldiers.US sent M16 to support indian,as soon as M16 arrived at the battlefield,it became captured by chinese soldier.SU also sent MIG helicopter which was also the lastest model to help indian,MIG choper( General Kaul just seating inside) also became captured by chinese.UK people didn't support indian by heart,they also did send weapons to support india,but those weapons were produced for WWII,already out-of-date,UK dumped the trash of WWII to india by that chance.
chinesemilitaryfan
12-08-2006, 03:47 PM
Another key point is soldier.Chinese soldier were educated by communist party,you call it headwashed.I agree,communist party was really the master of washing head.The party can make the soldiers crazy for war.During that time,in china,every people was starving(including Mao) ,only army can have enough food supply.Plus,our east asia countries have the tradition to devote our lifes to our country(japan,china and korean).So in the war,chinese soldisers performed extemely bravely.But indian people don't have all these points.They had never been educated by communist party,they don't have the tradition of devoting lifes and they concerned their lifes,they even didn't have the ideas of what is real big war so they surrundered very fast.
By that time ,whole china was suffering from povertry,there were very few things in our life worth treasuring,so death was nothig.But now I really doubt the braveness of PLA,chinese people changed as well as PLA.Can PLA be as strong as before?
chinesemilitaryfan
12-08-2006, 04:27 PM
Finally,even now insidechina,there are still many scholars are studying the reason that mao retreated the troops after the victory.There are many sayings but all not convincing.Anyway,mao regained his power inside china by this war ,it is very clear.
chinesemilitaryfan
12-08-2006, 04:39 PM
Any idea do your guys have?Share it with me.But,pls,don't bring up the dispute of the territory,it is useless.You have your reasons to claim the land I have my reasons to claimthe land as well.So leave this task to our politician.
In this thread,we only talk about the war and how to win a war and how to be a real power in the world.In fact,I hate war.War means blood,death,broken family,many destroies.My grandpa used to be military officer of Mao's troops during WWII and officer of PLA.He is still alive and told me many saddening stories of the wars.I really don't want those stories happened again.
what do you want to talk about? Will there be another war between India and China? No, i don't think so. Will the boundary dispute be solved. Yes. India will keep Arunachal pradesh, china will keep aksai chin.
Whats the future. China will develop 10 may be 15 years earlier than China. By 2030 the world would be more uniform. US, europe, japan, china , india and lot of others developed countries. if any one country tries to oppress a weaker neighbour, UN would intervene fast.
what do you want to talk about? Will there be another war between India and China? No, i don't think so. Will the boundary dispute be solved. Yes. India will keep Arunachal pradesh, china will keep aksai chin.
I share your pragmatic assessment. That will be one of the workable solutions, although it may face strong opposition from extremist patriots in both countries. So be prepared for some political turbulence at home, whatever the outcome of the border negotiation between India and China.
I share your pragmatic assessment. That will be one of the workable solutions, although it may face strong opposition from extremist patriots in both countries. So be prepared for some political turbulence at home, whatever the outcome of the border negotiation between India and China.
thats the practical solution and business will favor it. on the recent visit of Hu jintao the countries agreed to double the trade. i forsee this as only growing. Obviously with all the countries investing in both India and China, they would look forward to their investments being in sync. As in example the software mulinational SAP has development centers in both India and China. It will be beneficial for SAP ( a german firm) if developers in India and China could collaborate.
There is much to gain from cooperation.
I am a gadget fun. Can you recommend an Indian-run forum devoted to Palm? Thanks.
chinesemilitaryfan
12-10-2006, 08:48 PM
This topic is about the war,so I said someting about the war,anything wrong I did?
If you r not interested or intersted in something else,pls leave this topic.
This topic is about the war,so I said someting about the war,anything wrong I did?
If you r not interested or intersted in something else,pls leave this topic.
Sorry for deviating from the thread, because I have not received any reply to my query on Computer hardware forum.
To make it up, here is my take on the war.
I believe an internatioanl consensus already exists on the cause of the 1962 border.
There began a move towards self-reflection and self criticism about the 1962 war among the academic circles in India. I saw local newspaper reports in 2003-04 when visiting New Delhi. My impression was that a considerable number of people, mostly intellectuals, admit that President Nehru and General Kaul mishandled the border issue and were partially, if not fully, to blame for the war. I would appreciate comments on this impression of mine.
I do not foresee any war between the two countries. It is good manner not to prick national sensitivities. Negotiation is about give and take from both sides. So let's wait and see what will become of the borders.
Chinesemilitaryfan: if you are interested in a technical discussion about how the 1962 war was conducted, you will have to find a right interlucator or a right forum. Can someone be of help?
mcalan
12-13-2006, 11:52 AM
indian are stupid enough to take China as their enemies........i hv been 2 India many times and saw your poor guys..People either China or India suffer from war......It's polititians' games while ordinary pepole bear the cost
India1989
12-15-2006, 11:21 PM
Both India and China will be stupid to declare war on each other. Both will end up destroyed.
You are right, esp now that India has become a proud owner of nuclear weapons.
chinesemilitaryfan
12-19-2006, 06:06 PM
Even we take a war again,I don't think there wiil be nuclear bombs used.Because now both countries have it.China has already declared that china will not use the nuclear bombs first in any war. India never declare that, but,I don't think india dare to use nuclear bombs first in china-india war. If india uses the nuclear bombs to china's big cities,china will throw back much more nuclear bombs to the whole india.One point keep in mind: China has already hold the nuclear-nation membership for more than 40 years.China's storage of nuclear bombs is much bigger than india's.India may destroy some places of china,but china will destroy whole india.
chinesemilitaryfan
12-19-2006, 06:08 PM
I don't think there will be a war between us in recent years.Because now it is good time to both of us to develope ourself.
BumBumBholeNath
12-19-2006, 07:31 PM
china and india are like two horny teenager....if they fight, they kick each other ass and nobody have fun. If they engage in coital relationship, then they pound each other and have fun!!
china and india are like two horny teenager....if they fight, they kick each other ass and nobody have fun. If they engage in coital relationship, then they pound each other and have fun!!
That's a good analogy.:)
snower
12-24-2006, 02:57 PM
china and india are like two horny teenager....if they fight, they kick each other ass and nobody have fun. If they engage in coital relationship, then they pound each other and have fun!!
nobody have fun? I don't think so. if you got chance to read some chinese document about the 1962 war, you would find many chinese soilders and officers did have fun in the war. many fun. are you sure chinese won't have fun in another war with india? are you really sure? hehe. remember this: before the 1962 war, indian also believe they are stronger and chinese would not have fun to fight them, but, what's the result?
nobody have fun? I don't think so. if you got chance to read some chinese document about the 1962 war, you would find many chinese soilders and officers did have fun in the war. many fun. are you sure chinese won't have fun in another war with india? are you really sure? hehe. remember this: before the 1962 war, indian also believe they are stronger and chinese would not have fun to fight them, but, what's the result?
just like the japanese had fun with u for 2 decades? haha...what was the count u idiot...20 million?
thats why you are scared of Taiwan..? memories of japanese invasion has not faded? if it has keep coming back to this thread with ur idiotic posts and i will keep reminding you with pleasure....
to other sensible chinese in the forum here...now u know why idiots like snower bring a bad name to ur country....can't u guys have some culling to get rid of such idiots from ur society?
Just back from a trip.
just like the japanese had fun with u for 2 decades? haha...what was the count u idiot...20 million?
thats why you are scared of Taiwan..? memories of japanese invasion has not faded? if it has keep coming back to this thread with ur idiotic posts and i will keep reminding you with pleasure....
to other sensible chinese in the forum here...now u know why idiots like snower bring a bad name to ur country....can't u guys have some culling to get rid of such idiots from ur society?
The 1962 border war and the World War 2 are two different things: In WW2, Japan was an ally of Nazi Germany and enemy of the world. It launched aggression against Asian countries by dint of its military strength but was defeated in the end.
By taking pleasue in seeing the atrocities comitted by the Japanese in WW2 in China, you have put yourself on the opposite side of democracy your country India purports to represent.
If snower brings a bad name to China, such hypocrats as Neo bring a worse name to India and should be culled in the first place.
As to the 1962 war between India and China, the topic of the thread, many reasons can be found showing why India was to blame for the unfortunate war and the inferiority complex you have been suffering ever since.
Just back from a trip.
The 1962 border war and the World War 2 are two different things: In WW2, Japan was an ally of Nazi Germany and enemy of the world. It launched aggression against Asian countries by dint of its military strength but was defeated in the end.
sino japan war started in 1937 and went on till end of WW2, its not the same as WW2. japan was defeated by US not by any asian country.
By taking pleasue in seeing the atrocities comitted by the Japanese in WW2 in China, you have put yourself on the opposite side of democracy your country India purports to represent.
on the contrary i made the statement only to curtail the bragging mouth of the dumb brain snower. i don't proclaim war as a means of pleasure. pls read the posts again.
If snower brings a bad name to China, such hypocrats as Neo bring a worse name to India and should be culled in the first place.
i only reply tit for tat so if idiots like snower don't make foot in the mouth statements, i will not retaliate.
As to the 1962 war between India and China, the topic of the thread, many reasons can be found showing why India was to blame for the unfortunate war and the inferiority complex you have been suffering ever since.
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the less u talk abt inferiority complex the better. just last year chinese mob on streets damaged japanese businesses at the behest of ur government. if u have not come out of ur inferiority complex more than 50 years after the japanese invasion, its a bit loud mouth talk to hear about complexes from u :)
introspect my friend, before u speak otherwise i m always here to tell u some hard hitting facts ..
the less u talk abt inferiority complex the better. just last year chinese mob on streets damaged japanese businesses at the behest of ur government. if u have not come out of ur inferiority complex more than 50 years after the japanese invasion, its a bit loud mouth talk to hear about complexes from u :)
introspect my friend, before u speak otherwise i m always here to tell u some hard hitting facts ..
Sino-Japanes was part of WW II, although it started earlier than the latter. The thing is Japan was the aggressor.
It seems that you almost always mention Japanese invasion of China as an example of how weak China was, whenever the topic of 1962 border war (which is what this thread about) is touched upon. Does that prove anything positive about India? Isn't that ridiculous?
You need to know better to come out of your border war complex. :eek:
observer
12-31-2006, 11:41 AM
You Chinese need to stop acting like jerks when you are guests in other people's house.
Sino-Japanes was part of WW II, although it started earlier than the latter. The thing is Japan was the aggressor.
It seems that you almost always mention Japanese invasion of China as an example of how weak China was, whenever the topic of 1962 border war (which is what this thread about) is touched upon. Does that prove anything positive about India? Isn't that ridiculous?
You need to know better to come out of your border war complex. :eek:
i hope i will not have to cite the years of the first sino japanese war to bring out the fact that china japan conflict had nothing to do with World Wars but goes well before the begining of 20th century.
ok thats as far as history goes. as to why i mention sino japan war everytime, here's why.
some chinese on these forums tried to portray the superiority of china over india because of the 1962 war. i think that's stupid. thats why i hold a mirror to these people to think war gives them an upper hand.
as for the complex, i can cite some more examples of chinese complexes but will let the matter die for now....as i said i only believe in tit for tat...if u give u get too :D
snower
12-31-2006, 04:39 PM
i hope i will not have to cite the years of the first sino japanese war to bring out the fact that china japan conflict had nothing to do with World Wars but goes well before the begining of 20th century.
ok thats as far as history goes. as to why i mention sino japan war everytime, here's why.
some chinese on these forums tried to portray the superiority of china over india because of the 1962 war. i think that's stupid. thats why i hold a mirror to these people to think war gives them an upper hand.
as for the complex, i can cite some more examples of chinese complexes but will let the matter die for now....as i said i only believe in tit for tat...if u give u get too :D
Neo sounds very angry and excited, hehe, and that angry makes him more funny... I enjoy his performance actually. haha... e.g. he says sino-jp war is not part of WW2. he says japan was defeated by US only, he even don't know, in the whole WW2, 70% of japanese land troop were fighting in china, not otherwhere..
the more Neo says, the more fun you would find, and that's to some degree, quite entertainous to me, haha...
Neo sounds very angry and excited, hehe, and that angry makes him more funny... I enjoy his performance actually. haha... e.g. he says sino-jp war is not part of WW2. he says japan was defeated by US only, he even don't know, in the whole WW2, 70% of japanese land troop were fighting in china, not otherwhere..
the more Neo says, the more fun you would find, and that's to some degree, quite entertainous to me, haha...
as usual u have no knowledge of ur own country's history and secondly i think ur rudimentary understanding of english language makes it almost impossible for u do read between the lines
but knowing ur mental abilities, i ll make the extra effort this new year and teach u both history and english ..;)
ok, history lesson first. the conflict between china and japan dates back to the 19th century( snower- when we write 19th century in english it represents the years between 1800 and 1900), the war begining in 1894 is called the first sino japanese war.
Even the second sino japanese war began in 1937- much earlier than WW2 and in fact the 1931 invasion of Manchuria was even earlier. Only in the year 1941 after japan attacked pearl harbour, this became a conflict as part of WW2. The only reason being japan being one of the axis powers, china was not involved as a power in this war, merely as a victim of japanese onslaught.
So snower, lesson number one from today is - china was not engaged in WW2 by merit but by default.
Lesson number two- china din't defeat japan, US did by use of nuclear weapons ( i hope ur parents and teachers at least told u about hiroshima and nagasaki!, if not that lesson is for next class :)
next some english lessons (boy u suck here, how do u communicate with ur colleagues who are not from china, they must laugh at ur grammar and spellings :)
"the more Neo says, the more fun you would find, and that's to some degree, quite entertainous to me, haha..."
in english there is no such word as entertainous ..lol...please do a spell check before u post..
second, fun is something u don't find but "have"
i understand that its difficult for u to switch from a 10000 character pictorial language to a 26 letter english language but then din't u say u are doing a PHD :), how come the high IQ snower has so much difficulty learning a simple language when everyone else including chinese on this forum with different mother tongues write better english...
PM me if u need some lessons for free, i made a new year resolution to teach the "challenged"...haha
snower
01-04-2007, 11:35 AM
ok, history lesson first. ...china was not involved as a power in this war, merely as a victim of japanese onslaught.
my dear knowledgable neo, please answer me this simple question: :)
If "china was not involved as a power in this war, merely as a victim... ", why chinese leader at that time, Chiang Kai-shek, attended the Cairo Conference of November 22-November 26, 1943, held in Cairo, Egypt, as one of the three leaders of the Allied countries? (the other two were President Franklin Roosevelt of US and Prime Minister Winston Churchill of UK)
the conference addressed the Allied position against Japan during World War II and made decisions about postwar Asia.
you should know, the postwar asia political structure was set in that conference by the three leaders from US, china and UK. at that time, india was a colony under UK's rule.
my dear knowledgable neo, please answer me this simple question: :)
If "china was not involved as a power in this war, merely as a victim... ",
meaning of the word "involve" - to get into something.
China was a poor,weak country not capable of defeating japan on its own. that was the reason 20 million chinese died at the hands of japanese army. u know that, don't u?
China became and ally by default unlike UK or US that were powerful nations that despite attacks from the axis powers were not overtaken by foreign forces. Even Russia was able to counter Germany's attack effectively. Now you tell me why china suffered so badly at the hand of japan from 1937 to 1941, when it was not a colony of any country :)
Neo, you are rehashing your favourate argument of Japan element again.
Come up with sth new to show that China was nothing and your country India was great, while forgetting the 1962 war?
chinesemilitaryfan
01-04-2007, 08:02 PM
Snower behaves like a kid,neo behaves like a adult without humanity and education. I dislike you both.
snower
01-04-2007, 08:12 PM
China and russia are main forces fought against japan and germany respectively. russia lose 20 million lives and resisted 70 pecent of german force. china lose 25 million lives and resist 70 percent of japan land troop. both the two countries were largely occupied by enemies during the war, but they refused to surrender even in the most difficult situations ( please compare this with easily surrender of france, and 200 years shameful colonization of india ).
both russia and china won the war with ally's help. both of them became one of the five main powers of the unite nations after the war. these are undeniable historical facts.
Sino-japan war is our pride. because we won the victory at last, with our courage, sacrifice, and undefeatable spirit.
at 1962, what india got was a shameful defeat. can you deny this?
snower
01-04-2007, 08:20 PM
Snower behaves like a kid,neo behaves like a adult without humanity and education. I dislike you both.
你老兄讲话很刻薄啊。 张口就说别人是kid, 恐怕也不是成熟明智之人的语言吧？ 你不喜欢就罢了， 没必要出口辱人，对不对？
褒贬别人的时候， 先看看自己的言语是不是练达明智.
China and russia are main forces fought against japan and germany respectively. russia lose 20 million lives and resisted 70 pecent of german force. china lose 25 million lives and resist 70 percent of japan land troop. both the two countries were largely occupied by enemies during the war, but they refused to surrender even in the most difficult situations ( please compare this with easily surrender of france, and 200 years shameful colonization of india ).
if u want to bring colonilization into picture then so be it. need i remind u of the forced opium trade treaty the colonial powers made china sign? what could be more shameful that hong kong- chinese territory was handed over to china only in the 90s after the 99 year old treaty that again britain arm twisted china into signing?
both russia and china won the war with ally's help. both of them became one of the five main powers of the unite nations after the war. these are undeniable historical facts.
Undeniable fact is that china was struggling with a small island till US nuked japan. rest u can manipulate in the way u want
Sino-japan war is our pride. because we won the victory at last, with our courage, sacrifice, and undefeatable spirit.
at 1962, what india got was a shameful defeat. can you deny this?
u won nothing. US gave it to u on a platter. if thats ur pride, i am sorry to say a better pride could be tienamann square.
the day the great army of china is able to take up taiwan, come and talk to me on this forum. till that day i don't give a rat's a** on ur pride ..:)
Snower behaves like a kid,neo behaves like a adult without humanity and education. I dislike you both.
oh my love..u dislike me...lol...what will i do without u...haha
torabera
01-06-2007, 03:37 AM
Here is something for those who likes to do " lol " and " ...hehehe ... "
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India prepared to defend Kashmir against a combined Chinese and Pakistani military aggression – here is how
India has completed a detailed preparation to defend Kashmir against the toughest challenges. A computer simulated warfare guides Indian military planners to use India’s most strategic arsenals against a combined military attack by the Pakistani and Chinese Militaries.
The plan was developed just after India decidedly won the Kargil war and there were signs from the Chinese that they will return Aksai Chin back to India. India secretly completed all the infrastructure related work that will involve defending Kashmir against nuclear weapons of China and Pakistan.
The details of the plan is obviously not available. However, international think tanks believe that there will be an uncanny absence of Indian infantry and some of the mechanized divisions. Air Force will take it over. Recently, Indian Air Force Chief S P Tyagi said that India is preparing for any type of battle, including conventional or nuclear warfare, in Jammu and Kashmir as part of its defense strategy. According to sources, India will not fight Kargil style war. 1962 Chinese debacle will not repeat. It will be American style total manifestation of airpower with overwhelming firepower.
Air Force will not only defend Jammu and Kashmir but also chase the aggressor back into his or her own barracks. Indian casualty will be minimal while the aggressors will be wiped out.
Secretly, DRDO – India’s Defense Research and Development Organized has put in place India most strategic weapon system. It is an antimissile system that will destroy all incoming Pakistani and Chinese missiles.
Touching on the ‘changing nature of warfare’, Air Chief Marshal S P Tyagi pointed out that the Kargil conflict of 1999 was confined to a sector in Jammu and Kashmir. "What we are planning today is battle, something on the lines of Kargil, a battle that may actually be fought all over Jammu and Kashmir, a battle that may be fought over the Line of Control--what the Pakistanis call the working boundary--a battle which may be fought all over...entire international border conventional or nuclear warfare," he said.
source : http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/14850.asp
India1989
01-06-2007, 03:44 AM
Even we take a war again,I don't think there wiil be nuclear bombs used.Because now both countries have it.China has already declared that china will not use the nuclear bombs first in any war. India never declare that, but,I don't think india dare to use nuclear bombs first in china-india war. If india uses the nuclear bombs to china's big cities,china will throw back much more nuclear bombs to the whole india.One point keep in mind: China has already hold the nuclear-nation membership for more than 40 years.China's storage of nuclear bombs is much bigger than india's.India may destroy some places of china,but china will destroy whole india.
Hey you freaking chinese military fan. Are you seriously dumb. Why do you say stuffs without having complete knowledge.
Check your facts and then talk otherwise I suggest you shut the hell up.
Where did you find out that India never declared no first used. Are you guessing. Show me proof where you found that out.
Listen the fact is as soon as we developed Nukes, and as we are civilized nation we said that we won't use nukes first. Only if attacked by nukes by some noobs then only we will use nukes.
so yeah show me proof or else shut the hell up.
India1989
01-06-2007, 03:50 AM
Here is something for those who likes to do " lol " and " ...hehehe ... "
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India prepared to defend Kashmir against a combined Chinese and Pakistani military aggression – here is how
India has completed a detailed preparation to defend Kashmir against the toughest challenges. A computer simulated warfare guides Indian military planners to use India’s most strategic arsenals against a combined military attack by the Pakistani and Chinese Militaries.
The plan was developed just after India decidedly won the Kargil war and there were signs from the Chinese that they will return Aksai Chin back to India. India secretly completed all the infrastructure related work that will involve defending Kashmir against nuclear weapons of China and Pakistan.
The details of the plan is obviously not available. However, international think tanks believe that there will be an uncanny absence of Indian infantry and some of the mechanized divisions. Air Force will take it over. Recently, Indian Air Force Chief S P Tyagi said that India is preparing for any type of battle, including conventional or nuclear warfare, in Jammu and Kashmir as part of its defense strategy. According to sources, India will not fight Kargil style war. 1962 Chinese debacle will not repeat. It will be American style total manifestation of airpower with overwhelming firepower.
Air Force will not only defend Jammu and Kashmir but also chase the aggressor back into his or her own barracks. Indian casualty will be minimal while the aggressors will be wiped out.
Secretly, DRDO – India’s Defense Research and Development Organized has put in place India most strategic weapon system. It is an antimissile system that will destroy all incoming Pakistani and Chinese missiles.
Touching on the ‘changing nature of warfare’, Air Chief Marshal S P Tyagi pointed out that the Kargil conflict of 1999 was confined to a sector in Jammu and Kashmir. "What we are planning today is battle, something on the lines of Kargil, a battle that may actually be fought all over Jammu and Kashmir, a battle that may be fought over the Line of Control--what the Pakistanis call the working boundary--a battle which may be fought all over...entire international border conventional or nuclear warfare," he said.
source : http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/14850.asp
Yup torabera you are right. I also hard the news somewhere else that India has successfully developed indigeniously built missile defence system and it can defend itself against any incoming missile.
torabera
01-06-2007, 04:33 AM
Yup torabera you are right. I also hard the news somewhere else that India has successfully developed indigeniously built missile defence system and it can defend itself against any incoming missile.
Smart "people" Neo, I'm ure u will like this one,
gee...
u r really funny people
Smart "people" Neo, I'm ure u will like this one,
gee...
u r really funny people
with jokers arnd we do have our share of laugh :)
India1989
01-06-2007, 04:48 AM
Smart "people" Neo, I'm ure u will like this one,
gee...
u r really funny people
Hey you think that's funny. You are really mental then.
Hey you think that's funny. You are really mental then.
Armchair strategist, day dreaming, typical of a loser's mentality.
India1989
01-06-2007, 09:07 PM
hello Agra. where are you from? From China or India. The prob is that I always find it hard to understand your posts and by the look of your replies it seems that you are against me or against all Indians.
Be clear and don't use proverbs for nothing.
where the hell did day dreaming come from. i said you are wrong if you think that's funny. Does that seem day dreaming to you?
hello Agra. where are you from? From China or India. The prob is that I always find it hard to understand your posts and by the look of your replies it seems that you are against me or against all Indians.
Be clear and don't use proverbs for nothing.
where the hell did day dreaming come from. i said you are wrong if you think that's funny. Does that seem day dreaming to you?
Sorry it seems that you did not get the sarcasm in torabera's original post
Here is something for those who likes to do " lol " and " ...hehehe ... "
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India prepared to defend Kashmir against a combined Chinese and Pakistani military aggression – here is how
The so-called combined Chinese and Pakistani aggression will never happen. The senior India military must be kidding in coming up with such scenarios. And you really believe their analysis? :D
Friendly exchanges are better than confrontation.
chinesemilitaryfan
01-07-2007, 02:25 AM
Yup torabera you are right. I also hard the news somewhere else that India has successfully developed indigeniously built missile defence system and it can defend itself against any incoming missile.
I know that system,it is amazing system.You can use surface-to-surface missle to defence.Even the US technology can not acheive it.I think it will be the same joke like ajune tanker and LCA fighter.
India1989
01-07-2007, 03:01 AM
Sorry it seems that you did not get the sarcasm in torabera's original post
The so-called combined Chinese and Pakistani aggression will never happen. The senior India military must be kidding in coming up with such scenarios. And you really believe their analysis? :D
Friendly exchanges are better than confrontation.
Dude the guy is right you dumbass. There is a high chance China and Pakistan goes against India. You don't know about your own country you dumbass. China's Pakistans ally. Dude you know in 1971 and 1965 China and Pakistan together wanted to attack India. You were just restricted by us because of our smart tactics which you guys lack.
Dude the guy is right you dumbass. There is a high chance China and Pakistan goes against India. You don't know about your own country you dumbass. China's Pakistans ally. Dude you know in 1971 and 1965 China and Pakistan together wanted to attack India. You were just restricted by us because of our smart tactics which you guys lack.
I want to be enlightened on the combined Paki-China attack on India. If it is only about "wanted to attack" and no such attach ever took place, there must be an element of "subjectivity" on your assessment.
Why so paranoid about China's attack? If India does not provoke as was the case in 1962 , have no fear of China attack.
Who is THE dumbass, then?
:eek:
snower
01-07-2007, 04:31 PM
If india insist to occupy chinese soil, the so called "arunachel state", india's future is doomful. india may lose her northeast states.
If india insist to occupy chinese soil, the so called "arunachel state", india's future is doomful. india may lose her northeast states.
think of ur own future first buddy. if the mighty soviets were destroyed by their own people, how long u think u ll survive.
the only big communist country in the world is set to beathe its last sooner than ur lifetime.
snower
01-08-2007, 11:05 AM
think of ur own future first buddy. if the mighty soviets were destroyed by their own people, how long u think u ll survive.
the only big communist country in the world is set to beathe its last sooner than ur lifetime.
india is an "artificial" country set up by british colonization. the northeast india is a mongoloid land, the native people there are not indian, and they dislike indian. why doesn't india give them independence?
longing for china's collapse? haha.. then you doomed to be disapointed. every 5 years the west would say china will collapse in 5 years but nothing happened. china thrives, more and more, year by year she is restoring her old leading position on this earth. hehe, longing for china's collapse is a typical indian sour grape pipe dream, haha..., so childish and laughable....
india is an "artificial" country set up by british colonization. the northeast india is a mongoloid land, the native people there are not indian, and they dislike indian. why doesn't india give them independence?
longing for china's collapse? haha.. then you doomed to be disapointed. every 5 years the west would say china will collapse in 5 years but nothing happened. china thrives, more and more, year by year she is restoring her old leading position on this earth. hehe, longing for china's collapse is a typical indian sour grape pipe dream, haha..., so childish and laughable....
yes northeast india is mongoloid land but no matter how much u yearn, ur government doesn't have the b***s to take it :)
why don't u take my suggestion and go and talk to hu jintao and see if he has the guts..
i doubt considering ur hongkong is still under a dual governance and taiwan pokes u every now and then...:)
chinesemilitaryfan
01-08-2007, 11:26 PM
Useless mouth fighting again.
Useless mouth fighting again.
truth hurts, someone rightly said. as i can see taiwan makes all chinese start jumping :)
torabera
01-09-2007, 01:46 AM
truth hurts, someone rightly said. as i can see taiwan makes all chinese start jumping :)
if u think all people in taiwan want independence, u r wrong
leave taiwan as it is now is not a bad thing for china,
competition between brothers make both progress,
u indians r too short-sighted, cannot see farther than ur nose (assuming Neo has a nose )
as to "Araunachel," u indian cannot see why PLA did not keep it,
u have no understanding of war strategy,
take a look at the map using google earth, see the shape of the land along the border,
whenever necessary, china will remind india he land is not indian's
also remeber the railroad to tibet
if u think all people in taiwan want independence, u r wrong
leave taiwan as it is now is not a bad thing for china,
competition between brothers make both progress,
u indians r too short-sighted, cannot see farther than ur nose (assuming Neo has a nose )
as to "Araunachel," u indian cannot see why PLA did not keep it,
u have no understanding of war strategy,
take a look at the map using google earth, see the shape of the land along the border,
whenever necessary, china will remind india he land is not indian's
also remeber the railroad to tibet
better stick to chinese pictorial posts dude, coz when u write chinglish u sound like two ballons rubbing together...haha
snower
01-09-2007, 02:42 PM
better stick to chinese pictorial posts dude, coz when u write chinglish u sound like two ballons rubbing together...haha
sadly neo is still proud of speaking english well. typical indian complex. they are proud of that they can speak english better than people from un-colonized nations. they are still regarding english a "superior" language than others.
that's why someone says indian are very slavish, they are still colonized deep in mind. they were, they are and they will be the best servants of the west.
sadly neo is still proud of speaking english well. typical indian complex. they are proud of that they can speak english better than people from un-colonized nations. they are still regarding english a "superior" language than others.
that's why someone says indian are very slavish, they are still colonized deep in mind. they were, they are and they will be the best servants of the west.
i m not proud of it. i show ur mental tardiness in ur language weakness. its you who claimed higher IQ for chinese, remember?
either accept that ur an exception and not capable like other chinese or stop making stupid posts about IQ because as i have shown on many occasions ur IQ is not good enough for simple things.
no wonder, ur struggling with ur education :)
googleabcd
01-10-2007, 06:48 AM
It won't be a suprise since all indian "FAMOUS" guys he mentioned in his posts before are just some Indian employees working for west companies, none of them is working in India.....Lol...
sadly neo is still proud of speaking english well. typical indian complex. they are proud of that they can speak english better than people from un-colonized nations. they are still regarding english a "superior" language than others.
that's why someone says indian are very slavish, they are still colonized deep in mind. they were, they are and they will be the best servants of the west.
It won't be a suprise since all indian "FAMOUS" guys he mentioned in his posts before are just some Indian employees working for west companies, none of them is working in India.....Lol...
either u don't understand english or u argue for the sake of arguments. arun netravali and many others like him have worked both private and as government advisors in india. he was in fact instrumental in getting the telecom revolution in india.
as i told u- narrow outlook. no matter how much u stay in western countries, ur tunnel vision will not be cured :) u can't look beyond china - a typical 1940's mentality where nationalism was paramount giving birth to monsters like hitler.
its a pity that in 2006 such people exist even after "education" and "exposure" to new ideas. the world is getting together now and even china is a part of institutions like WTO and part to the GATT treaties. i wonder how u being a citizen of a communist country with at least open trade ideas are so narrow minded?
comeone man, grow up this is the 21st century, the world is becoming smaller. don't try to hide in a rat hole. open up!
snower
01-11-2007, 05:28 PM
as i told u- narrow outlook. no matter how much u stay in western countries, ur tunnel vision will not be cured :) u can't look beyond china - a typical 1940's mentality where nationalism was paramount giving birth to monsters like hitler.
its a pity that in 2006 such people exist even after "education" and "exposure" to new ideas. the world is getting together now and even china is a part of institutions like WTO and part to the GATT treaties. i wonder how u being a citizen of a communist country with at least open trade ideas are so narrow minded?
comeone man, grow up this is the 21st century, the world is becoming smaller. don't try to hide in a rat hole. open up!
this is a very naive comment. the world in 21st centory is not very different with that in 11 centory. it is still a jungle, the strongers bully the weakers. and it is still much nationalist and racist. rich and poor are totally oppsite.
neo, grow up from your childish indian view of the world. why your guys develop nuclear weapons if the world is that "pink" as you imagined? haha...
this is a very naive comment. the world in 21st centory is not very different with that in 11 centory. it is still a jungle, the strongers bully the weakers. and it is still much nationalist and racist. rich and poor are totally oppsite.
neo, grow up from your childish indian view of the world. why your guys develop nuclear weapons if the world is that "pink" as you imagined? haha...
i already know that there are still people like u, racist and all other qualities u mentioned :)
i was talking about the other half. those who work for the common ground. i don't think u would be aware of the attempts of brazil, india and china to get a common ground at the doha rounds against developed world. this are signs of the emergence of a new world order. no one nation can be a super power any more. it will only lead to a super destruction.
India1989
01-13-2007, 04:28 AM
india is an "artificial" country set up by british colonization. the northeast india is a mongoloid land, the native people there are not indian, and they dislike indian. why doesn't india give them independence?
longing for china's collapse? haha.. then you doomed to be disapointed. every 5 years the west would say china will collapse in 5 years but nothing happened. china thrives, more and more, year by year she is restoring her old leading position on this earth. hehe, longing for china's collapse is a typical indian sour grape pipe dream, haha..., so childish and laughable....
Hey you dumbass. You don't know history then don't talk shit and nonsense. India wasn't set by Britishers. India was well one country way before when you guys were not even born. We were called Bharat and we were one country which included the Northeastern lands. That also included Tibet and till Afghanistan. So I think you should go to your home and start to gain some knowledge because you are acting like you know everything but you are the one who is illiterate.
Your govt. says that you have 90% literacy. Doesn't seem so because it looks like you don't know history well. Do you guys like learn to draw pictures and are called illiterate.
Northeastern states are mongoloids alright but they are Indians. Indians are not Brown people. India is a diverse country where there are white people, black, brown, malays, mongoloids, pro-australoids, brachephyls, and Negroids.
So that argument is futile. Don't be such a stupid person. Give some solid arguemnt. Pakistan says Kashmir should be there's because most of them are muslims and you give the same type of arguments. But you are forgetting India has all those type of people in other parts of India too.
observer
01-16-2007, 10:58 PM
People like snower are the scum of the earth. They encompass all that is bad in human beings-selfishness, brutality, unculture- while Indians are peaceful, civilized, selfless. No wonder Indians remember Chinese as barbarians from the 1962 war and 3000 years old Indian texts call the Chinese "barbarians" too.
India1989
01-17-2007, 05:03 AM
People like snower are the scum of the earth. They encompass all that is bad in human beings-selfishness, brutality, unculture- while Indians are peaceful, civilized, selfless. No wonder Indians remember Chinese as barbarians from the 1962 war and 3000 years old Indian texts call the Chinese "barbarians" too.
Yup that's right, Chinese are barbarians. Remember how they slaughtered 2000 innocent college students just because they were doing peaceful protests against something. Here in India protests are done by people all the time but as we are a civilized country we don't do stupid things like Chinese govt did. They ran tanks over these children. What barbarians.
snower
01-17-2007, 09:45 PM
Yup that's right, Chinese are barbarians. Remember how they slaughtered 2000 innocent college students just because they were doing peaceful protests against something. Here in India protests are done by people all the time but as we are a civilized country we don't do stupid things like Chinese govt did. They ran tanks over these children. What barbarians.
haha... chinese are barbarians? at least we use tissue paper in toilet, haha.. don't tell me you use your left hand typing your posts in, you civilized indian, haha...
India1989
01-20-2007, 01:15 AM
haha... chinese are barbarians? at least we use tissue paper in toilet, haha.. don't tell me you use your left hand typing your posts in, you civilized indian, haha...
Yeah you use tissue paper that's why that place doesn't clean up properly. Things sill remain. You guys are dirty. Only tissue paper. You think cleaning a mess with tissue paper will make it clean.
Water is the best.
And if you guys didn't hear about this great invention then let me tell you. It's SOAP. We use soap to clean our hands after that. Do you guys know what soap is you illiterate guy.
Your comment is baseless. China doesn't have soap i guess. This comment is so stupid, i don't even understand how stupid you must be. Next time when you go for a shower clean yourself with tissue paper. ok. don't use water because water is dirty. ok.
snower
01-20-2007, 06:55 PM
Yeah you use tissue paper that's why that place doesn't clean up properly. Things sill remain. You guys are dirty. Only tissue paper. You think cleaning a mess with tissue paper will make it clean.
Water is the best.
And if you guys didn't hear about this great invention then let me tell you. It's SOAP. We use soap to clean our hands after that. Do you guys know what soap is you illiterate guy.
Your comment is baseless. China doesn't have soap i guess. This comment is so stupid, i don't even understand how stupid you must be. Next time when you go for a shower clean yourself with tissue paper. ok. don't use water because water is dirty. ok.
please wash your left hand before type your post, my god, your post stinks!
haha... chinese are barbarians? at least we use tissue paper in toilet, haha.. don't tell me you use your left hand typing your posts in, you civilized indian, haha...
thats well known to us in india, chinese are allergic to water...lolz...
we have a saying here that chinese wash once in a year...:D
dachahu
01-22-2007, 03:59 PM
thats well known to us in india, chinese are allergic to water...lolz...
we have a saying here that chinese wash once in a year...
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but I know you wash your left hand every day.
dachahu
01-22-2007, 04:09 PM
I have seen photos from Japanese invasion of China. Hundreds of Chinese heads are cut off and rolling on the ground like footballs.
Hi man, I can not believe that you india laught at we chinese by the action of fascist. what do you think you are?
Sigh, ragtag!
:mad:
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