The Indian Nations Should Unite!

[Silverbackman]

The whole conflict between India and Pakistan is because the two countries are not united as one India. Why was Pakistan created? Because some fundamentalist Muslim wanted to "protect" Indian Muslims from the Hindu part of India :rolleyes:. Why would that make things better? The mass migration to Pakistan started the real feud between Indian Hindus and Muslims. There are over 100 million Muslims in India, and they seem to being living with relative peace with Hindus (besides the ones in Kashmir, in which the Pakistanis are the ones rioting the Muslims there). I really also think there would be no Al Queda if India and Pakistan were one.

Separating countries based on religion is plain stupid and illogical. Should we separate the Christian part of the US from the Catholic part? Will that solve anything? I don't think so.

Pakistan isn't the only country that needs to return to its mother India. Bangladesh, Bhutan, and Nepal need to return and the Indian Union must be preserved. United we our strong, separated we will fall or reach no where. Nepal is threatened by the evil communist to the North while Bangladesh is in utter poverty separated from its Indian mother. Bhutan is a monarchy and not a democracy as a result.

Once the Indian Nations are united, it will be on a better path. Without fear from war, especially from Pakistan will give India a chance to focus on developing himself into a superpower that will rival even the mighty United States and the great European Union.

[megri]

I agree with you who will do the efforts

[Vikram]

I think the question is not put correctly...
keeping in mind the prespective of people in those countries as well.. I would have rather asked:-

Should Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh, and Bhutan form a Union like the E.U?

1. YES - Good idea
2. NO - strict no no
3. Maybe - Not sure
4. - I think its good idea but wont work


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ANYWAYS, I've voted - No, Too Difficult .... i dont think having one country will be any benefitial to INDIA. however, it might benefit everyone else.

[Morris]

In Europe you often can read about violent conflicts between hindus and muslims. Further a student from here in Germany told that it is even common, when they fight each other. Is it true?

And relating to E.U.:
The E.U. contains also a lot of possibilities to cause disputes, sure no heavy violent disputes yet. Social descends and inner emigration are a source for ethnic conflicts which is better not underestimated.
It would be another subject, if there would be only a economical union between the five nations, but I don't think it would solve the problems between the muslims and hindus.

Further I don't understand how a union can appease the conflicts. Can you tell me?

[Silverbackman]

I think the question is not put correctly...
keeping in mind the prespective of people in those countries as well.. I would have rather asked:-

Should Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh, and Bhutan form a Union like the E.U?

1. YES - Good idea
2. NO - strict no no
3. Maybe - Not sure
4. - I think its good idea but wont work


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ANYWAYS, I've voted - No, Too Difficult .... i dont think having one country will be any benefitial to INDIA. however, it might benefit everyone else.


No, I think these countries should unite into one country, not a single economical unit. I think those countries that used to be part of India, should be individual states, but under one federal rule. I personally don't think one econmical unit will do too much, but it is a start.

[Silverbackman]

In Europe you often can read about violent conflicts between hindus and muslims. Further a student from here in Germany told that it is even common, when they fight each other. Is it true?

And relating to E.U.:
The E.U. contains also a lot of possibilities to cause disputes, sure no heavy violent disputes yet. Social descends and inner emigration are a source for ethnic conflicts which is better not underestimated.
It would be another subject, if there would be only a economical union between the five nations, but I don't think it would solve the problems between the muslims and hindus.

Further I don't understand how a union can appease the conflicts. Can you tell me?
Yes it is common and I think the reason is because Muslims and Hindu are distinguished as separate people. Before India was separated into two states, the Muslims lived along side the Hindus and sort of blended in the countries. Though there was conflict, there was unity. One India, not two Indias.

When the two states separated into two different countries, the biggest mass migration of all time took place. Muslims now became distinguished as a different race of people and because the union went away both countries developed and attitude of "us vs them" when in fact they belong to the same nationality. As a result, both countries hav't been able to fully concentrate their efforts into reducing poverty in both nations and rapid industrialization. India today is industrializing, but very slowly. Because of this conflict on the boarders created around 50 years earlier, no nation can concentrate their efforts into becoming a major world power. In any case, there are over 100 million Muslims in India, why aren't they all a separate country.

I believe if the nations unite, Hindus will migrate back to Pakistan, and Muslims will migrate back to India, and the Hindu and Muslims population will blend together. No, that doesn't mean conflict will stop, but then again can conflict ever stop between humans who believe different things? Separating people on what they think, believe, or follow will achieve nothing, only more separation and conflict. Not too mention the whole "us vs them" mentality.

A perfect example is the United States. The United States is a country all nations so follow as an example. Do you think the US would have been as might as it is today if the South won the civil war and became two separate nation states? Division between people who live so close to each other so never occur. Independent states, like America's 50 states is what Pakistan and Bangladesh should turn into. I also think that is how Europe should go to, unite as one country but with each individual province a set amount of powers (ie a France and Germany separate states, but in the same country like California and Texas separates states, but in the same country). There shouldn't be over 200 countries like it is now, there should be only about 10-20 counties, no more than 10 million sq. kilometers.

[observer]

Very noble idea. But what do you say about Nepal, a Hindu kingdom, that sometimes seems to hate India's guts out, because it thinks we act as a big-brother.

In my opinion, India is quite okay in its present form because our smaller neighbours consider us to be a meddling big-brother, a bully.

The idea about a more united and strong South Asia is very forward looking. But I think it needs moving towards gradually, starting from an economic union/ free trade zone etc.

[Silverbackman]

Forgot to mention Sri lanka too ;).

I think Nepal should understand the India has been protecting them for years, espeically against those evil Chinese communist. They owe us a lot. The least they can do us unite.

They will unite! If someone does not unite the Indian Nations, I will go after it myself and become in power. I have connections in Banglore, I'm sure my gangsta uncle can provide me with some easy government access. :D

Ash Nash Dan Rictadoon! ;)

[baboons_in_the_night]

As it is we are plenty overcrowded.
I suggest we be just good neighbors.
We can have the occasional high tea with them in fancy restaurants but there is no need to call them home for dinner and drinks.

[thamonindew]

"Should we separate the Christian part of the US from the Catholic part?"

- Catholics are Christians.

[Silverbackman]

As it is we are plenty overcrowded.
I suggest we be just good neighbors.
We can have the occasional high tea with them in fancy restaurants but there is no need to call them home for dinner and drinks.

There is no peace! The Pakistanis for example will never want peace, and that rebel country is doing nothing but bad for India. Trying to steal Kashmir from us, when in fact we the ones who defended it from the Chinese! :mad: We will never become buddy buddy until they return their mother country: India!

Ash Nash Dan Rictadoon :mad:


"Should we separate the Christian part of the US from the Catholic part?"

- Catholics are Christians.

I mean protestant and catholic ;).

[Guju_Gangster]

There is no peace! The Pakistanis for example will never want peace, and that rebel country is doing nothing but bad for India. Trying to steal Kashmir from us, when in fact we the ones who defended it from the Chinese! :mad: We will never become buddy buddy until they return their mother country: India!



Dude how old are you? :rolleyes:
your notions are childish and naive. I hope there is more serious talks going on in this forum :p

[Silverbackman]

Dude how old are you? :rolleyes:
your notions are childish and naive. I hope there is more serious talks going on in this forum :p

You an idiot if you cannot see the vision here. Do you know anything about war against Kashmir by China decades ago? India defended it not Pakistan. Pakistan should be state of India, not a different country.

Just imagine the Bharat Republic superpower!

You are nothing but a socialist anarchist radical who should be silenced ;).

Ash Nash Dan Rictadoon! :mad:

[ecofascist]

So first Silverbakcman suggests India split into nation-states and now he talks of Asian geopolitics. Buddy, make up your mind! Geopolitics is an interesting subject. But I must oppose any move to integrate former Indian kingdoms into the mainland of India. I agree with economic and military co-operation, but a strict no-no for joining in terms of geography. Infact we should go one step further. We must have a Eurasian union(only economic and military co-opertaion). This will oppose the Zionist triangle which consists of Israel, USA and the UK.

[India1989]

Yes it is common and I think the reason is because Muslims and Hindu are distinguished as separate people. Before India was separated into two states, the Muslims lived along side the Hindus and sort of blended in the countries. Though there was conflict, there was unity. One India, not two Indias.

First of all why do you guys forget these things. Right now still Hindus and Muslims live together in India peacefully. India has more Muslims then Pakistan does. India is a complete country still now. Even now Muslims live alongside with Hindus. 12 religions and 24 tribal religions live peacefully in India.

One more thing I won't like Pakistan and Bangladesh and Sri Lanka being part of India again. Nepal, Bhutan and maldives are ok but not the other 3 countries.
REasons

Pakistan - THey are too violent. They will degrade the name of India. Poverty rate is high. Women's are not treaten properly. For nothing there would be more fight. Now terrorist can get into India without no visa and barriers. There's no proof that they will stop terrorism after merging with India. They are really underdeveloped. THey are not that well civilized.

Bangladesh - They are really uneducated and not that civilized. poverty rate - 50%, unemployment - 40%. They will come into India and increase the burden.

Sri Lanka - Simply not acceptable. Really bad political condition. Not acceptable. Low standard of living. Bad condition. Fighting. Common thing. All these 3 countries have fighting going on which we won't accept. These countries will put an extra burden.

Be happy with what diversity we have. We have lots of Muslims, we don't need them from Pakistan and Bangladesh. we have no proof that they will stop doing terrorism. Please don't think of getting these countries together. Now Nepal, Bhutan and Maldives are ok.

[megrisoft]

Silverbackman, firstly you said that India need to had two countries . Then you said that india should be reunited. You also donot know what you want to say. Be on one line. Donot follow multile paths, otherwise you will always be the looser.

[sailu]

Let's remain neighbours and love thy neighbour as thy self...:)
India has always been a tolerant and secular nation and is known for its unity in diversity.
It would be too close for comfort I guess.Having military co-operation and maintaining good diplomatic relations is the way to go.

[India1989]

Yeah getting the whole Kashmir back will be good enough for us.

[arti]

I agree with you, its good to unite.But I don't think that everyone has a same openion on a matter like this. Don't U worry my vote is with U.We all should try to mend fenses and build new bridges.

[Priyanka]

I dont want other neighbouring country should unit with india, If they do so the economic position of india will go down, and india is far better than other mention country, If we will unit one day they will again want to separate so at that time things can be more worst than now, remember one thing we were separated on basis of religion with pakistan, bangladesh. Pakistan, bangladesh still need more modified culture for women growth. If people from other country cannot change their view than its not a good idea to unit, may be few people of india those who are staying in western country there they must be having pakistani, bangladeshi etc. friends they must be thinking to unit but things are different here. Every country see their benifit so by uniting what india is going to get ?
Note:- Other country are not democratic like Inida.

I need india to grow ..Thats it!
Always Indian Priyanka

[sunilkumar]

Good shot priyanka .... i like it :) .. keep it up

[India1989]

THat is great priyanka. Our economic condition will surely go down. All the unemployed people from Bdesh will come and mess up our economy. They will ruin us. Already NE is mad at Bdesh. If they unite then we will have a risk of losing NE.

I think Kashmir is good enough. We were divided on religion basis. But now India has more Muslims then both the countries so we don't have shortage of them and we dont' need any others who caused so much trouble to India.

[Silverbackman]

Dudes, I would much rather India achieve its manifest destiny than sperate into two nations. But I figure if India is not going to be united in at least the Indian Nations how different would it be if India lets Tamil Nadu and Kerela go (states that have been reletivelly independent most of the time)?

I would much rather though if India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bhutan, and Nepal unite into one country. Then we maybe be able to start working on India's manifest destiny;

Indian Union: Includes South Asia countries as well as South East Asian Countries connected to the Asian continent. This includes Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Nepal, Bhutan, Sri Lanka, Maldives, Burma, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, Cambodia, Laos, and Vietnam.

Once we achieve total domination of this region India will stretch from sea to shinning sea ;).

Ash Nash Dan Rictdaoon! :cool:

[Silverbackman]

Remember once the nations unite, this will not take away freedom for each state. The new union will be a federal republic with each state having its own power of its own with only a fundemental federal government.

Ash Nash Dan Rictadoon! Hail Victory!

[India1989]

So to you Pakistan and Bangladesh is more important then South India. Remember if we get Pakistan and Bangladesh in our country then our country will go down big time and we can never go up.

We are unique. We have diversity. We should learn to live in this diversity. We don't want to divide. IF we do then we will divide in 100 different countries. But Pakistan wanted to be separate adn they got separated. OTher parts of India wants to be a part of India cause they are proud of India. Why do you want to break their pride silverbackman.

[megrisoft]

I agree with you India1989.

[sunilkumar]

If we will unite with pakistan bangladesh .... than it will be very difficult for us to maintain our growth, I dont want them to unite with us, we are good as neighbouring country and we want them as good neighbour only... that it.....

[Guju_Gangster]

Check out this brief documentary about why just after the independence, India had to intervene in Bangladesh to stop Hindu genocide. Lot of times you hear Pakistanis say India divided east and West Pakistan. That is not true. East Pakistan (Bangladesh) wanted freedom. And India did not intervene till Pakistani military systematically started to wipe out all Hindus from east Pakistan.


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[India1989]

yup that's right and what we are we are good.

And if we want muslims in our country then we have enough, more then Pakistan and Bangladesh.

Stay peacefully with them. We got Sindhis and all types of people.

We have enough diversity. Try to maintain peace with these people first.

Forget about neighbouring countries. They are of no use and have caused a lot of harm to us.

[megrisoft]

We are happy with our current population of India. there is no need to merge any other country. If this will happen, It will only have a negative effect in population & economy of our country.
India1989, I agree with you. Firstly We have to learn to live peacfully in the diversity of India. Don't even think of merging neighbouring countries. Keep them as neighbour only. If anyother country citizens comes to settle here, they give only the adverse effect on our relations.

[Silverbackman]

Guys do you think Nepal should be a seperate country? Why?? Not only is it right next to India and has always been apart of India, but it is mostly Hindu and officially Hindu! Why are they seperate?? It must return to India quickly!

And Bhutan? Why in the world is it a seperate country? Although it isn't Hindu, it has a large Hindu population and Buddhism is of Bharat origin! Veema shurino!

Ash Nash Dan Rictadoon!!!!!!!!!! :mad: :mad:

[Priyanka]

We dont treate Nepal as seprarte We have Gurkha regement in our army Buthan is also like nepal for us... people of Nepal, Buthan can come to india they work we dont have any problem... :D

[Silverbackman]

yup that's right and what we are we are good.

And if we want muslims in our country then we have enough, more then Pakistan and Bangladesh.

Stay peacefully with them. We got Sindhis and all types of people.

We have enough diversity. Try to maintain peace with these people first.

Forget about neighbouring countries. They are of no use and have caused a lot of harm to us.

Don't you care about the Bharat Empire? You have much to learn about who becomes number 1. Heck we can learn a thing or two from China on how they hold on and control Tibet! It is the destiny of India to reach the Pacific Ocean in length.

One day my vision will take place. Hopefully it will take place in a few decades!

Ash Nash Dan Rictadoon!!!!! Hail The Future Bharat Republican Empire!

[PlayBoy]

Silverbackman all neighbouring country are happy being separated by india they dont want to be part of india , and if they dont want to be part of india then better live them alone they have their own law and culture, jsut to increase the land and including them will not going to solve problem which are in india...

[Silverbackman]

Silverbackman all neighbouring country are happy being separated by india they dont want to be part of india , and if they dont want to be part of india then better live them alone they have their own law and culture, jsut to increase the land and including them will not going to solve problem which are in india...

They can keep their cultures once apart of India. In the federal republic system India has this is easily done. Each state can retain their freedom. For example Bhutan can keep its culture as a state of India as well as their language.

Remember, India is the land of freedom compared to countries surounding it. India already contains two very different cultures: Dravidians and Indo-Aryans. If these two very different cultures can survive then of course the cultures and language of others can too.

[observer]

No I don't think none of the countries you have in mind want to be a part of India. So what do you wish from here on? Militarily invading them? Even Hitler believed his ideology was the best while other disagreed :eek:

[India1989]

Hold on guys!!
Man holy!!
K listen. We don't need places like Pakistan and Bangaldesh. Look at China thy occupied places which have some significance in the world.
Tibet - roof of the world

Pakistan - terrorist hub of the world. Why do we need them?

Nepal - yup they are cool. If they want they can join us. THey are also similar to us and they are not that faltu as Pak or Bang. We can also have access to Mt. Everest
Take back POK. We will get Mt. K2

Take back Aksai Chin - fantastic scenic beauty. Take back the whole Kashmir.

Bhutan - yeah we control their military. They can be our part.

As far as Gorkha regiment is concerned. Priyanka lemme give you some info. You are partly right. Some Gurkhas are from Nepal. But the Gorkha regiment we have is Indian gorkha in Darjeeling. Its like this. Bangladesh and Bengalis. Same with Gorkhas. Gorkhas are found in India and in Nepal. That's why they are vying for a separate state in India called Gorkhaland. Gorkhas are Indians. To differentiate the Indian Gorkhas call them selves Gorkhas and not Gurkhas(Nepali one).

As far as you guys are concerning its not upto religion. If a country is Hindu that doesn't mean they can be our part. We are secular and not a Hindu country. Our population is mostly Hindu. But not a Hindu country. So we can take other parts too.

If you are so interested why not take Tibet from China and make it your part. Try that. WHy behind Pakistan. If you take the example of China then go behind them.

[observer]

All this talk of "taking back" other countries is juvenile. That's not acceptable in today's world. It's the 21st century, not the middle ages. Those who are talking of invading other nations are just living out their teenage fantasies through this thread :D

[sunilkumar]

Yaa correct ==>
Those who are talking of invading other nations are just living out their teenage fantasies through this thread.

This is also correct our is a secular country and pakistan and bangladesh was separated from us on basis of religion ... we remain secular but they were not. so if we unit can they be secular?
Will they change their old law?
lot of thigs has to be considered if two nation tries to unit ,,, germany was not divided on religion....

[Silverbackman]

Some of you simply do not get it. :rolleyes: You guys do not want to make this union because you think it is too difficult. But of the nations united I'm sure you would think differently. So instead of talking about how it will be too difficult let's talk about how we can make such a unionship occur.

Now then.......currently there is a unifying organization called the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Asian_Association_for_Regional_Cooperation

This is a good start. What's more is that it even includes Afghanistan :eek:. We often don't stop to think that in fact Afghanistan has been apart of Hindu rule for most of its existence. This is good they have joined, the more the merrier. It also includes Maldives which is often overlooked ;).

Ash Nash Dan Rictadoon! Hail Victory! :cool:

[soumyasarcar]

no doubt the idea is noble and will work wonders for all if carefully implemented.... but realistically speaking the suspicion will be too much for all to accept it.... we must devise ways to overcome this... may be then we will havea strong south asian union.....

[sunilkumar]

Silverbackman <== The South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation, or SAARC

SAARC encourages cooperation in agriculture, rural development, science and technology, culture, health, population control, narcotics control and anti-terrorism.

So SAARC encourage to do co-operation....

Agriculture <-- co-operation is possible.

Population control <-- co-operation is not possible because in few religion using thing like condom etc. for birth control is not allowed.

science and technology <-- Well I believe their should be limited co-operation on science and technology, because Pakistan, Afghanistan is hub of terrorism and they can miss use all the technology in negative manner so while doing co-operation in science and technology with them we should be very careful

Rural development<-- co-operation is possible

Health <-- co-operation is possible

Narcotics control and anti-terrorism<-- Co-operation should be their but there is always cross boarder terrorism in India... :D

I am not against people of Pakistan & Afganistan they are also human being just like people of India but its difficult to deny above facts..

Daud <--Under world Don who was son of Indian Police Constable of Mumbai is in Karachi, Pakistan is not giving Daud to India....so to stop crime of narcotics and terrorism ... what step pakistan is doing....?

Kashmir the core issue between India & Pakistan ....Fact Kashmir once land of beauty is now land of blood....

SAARC is made for good purpose & it should be there.

But Right Now to Unit all neighboring country into one country......is not a great Idea...

Populations of SAARC nation are very poor, Public are not getting proper justice, Women & children are exploited.... Right now every country should clean them self then we should all unit into one nation... & this is only possible when all nation become secular like India... Other wise just to extent this thread with no direction is useless....

I Know India is good for women compare to other SAARC country.

Its me Proud to be Indian
Sunilkumar

[Omni]

They should be allies if they can, but I would never agree on them re-uniting into one whole nation, not in the present time. Eventhough our roots are similar we have evolved into something very diverse and sophisticated. The social, economic, technological and political impact that India will face in the aftermath of reuniting is uncertain and I believe that the disadvantages would perhaps outweigh the advantages.

[Silverbackman]

But the Indian subcontinent was meant to be united. A Pakistani maybe a Pakistani but like Rajastanis, Pakistanis can never change the fact that they are Indian. If only the Indian subcontinent (even excluding Afganistan) unites it will be strong once again. All Pakistan, Bangladesh, Bhutan, Sri Lanka, Maldives, and Nepal has to do is become a province or state of India.

Let's be realistic here. India already has 100 million muslims. Seperating the country based on religion is NOT the answer.

Once the Indian subcontinent unites we will be able to compete at our max with China. Until this occurs we are missing a vital part of our national identity. Pakistan can come back to us if the country stopped preaching hate in their schools. Other countries will not be as hard.

Look at the USA. If the South won the Cival War would it be a superpower it is today? Sure both the North and the South were strong on its own during the 1800s but they were far stronger united as One.

Its a damn shame that Pakistan has nukes now. No use trying to militarily force the Pakistan back into India. Perhaps if we convince some other countries that aren't so hostile to join and then by example Pakistan will join India. If not China will always stay one step ahead.

Seperate India Is Moderate! United India Will Be Strong! China will never stand a chance then!

Ash Nash Dan Rictadoon! Hail Victory!

[sunilkumar]

Silverbackman ...I don’t agree with you there are lot of difference between Pakistan and India especially in law of both the country ... as you said Pakistan can be like Rajasthan if Pakistan unites with India... I don’t agree with this ... in Pakistan they follow muslim religion and Rajasthan most of people follow Hindu religion.... Note:- There are more Muslim in India compare to Pakistan.

Pakistan was divided on basis of religion now I don’t want to divide my own country...
& other thing is Why I should take burden of other country?.. just to compete with china...
Note:- with out uniting with pakistan we can compete with china

First of all Pakistan should become secular like India than only we can think to unite other wise I will not like to unite with Pakistan ... once Pakistan was part of India so they can change themselves like us. But seeing today’s Pakistan we don’t want to unite with them...

We Indian are happy to be neighbor of Pakistani I will love if Pakistan grows ... I don’t want to fight with them. Pakistan has it own identity. And in India population is to much it will be better for Pakistani to be separate other wise we are so good that they will not get job in their own country ..:D, here in India many knowledgeable people are unemployed. We don't want to make more completion for them(i.e. pakistani) as well as for us.

On other hand china is growing, we are happy in competing with them. We Indian know we are good and we can achieve any thing.... yea we have lack of infrastructure but that is not a big issue ... we will develop that also... we have good brains, we are good learner

I already said ==>Populations of SAARC nation are very poor, Public are not getting proper justice, Women & children are exploited.... Right now every SAARC nation should clean them self then we should all unit into one nation... & this is only possible when all nation become secular like India... Other wise just to extent this thread with no direction is useless....

Silverbackman you said see usa ….south and north… well we have more population than usa , so to unite means making more population. It will be better for Indians if Pakistan grows & becomes more sensible without uniting.

One more thing I want to say ,,, if we will unite today we will not going to become strong.

Its me Proud to be Indian
Sunilkumar

[Priyanka]

I do agree with you sunilkumar right now its not a time for all SAARC nation to unit into one single country .... It will be good if they develop with their own

[India1989]

Its nice to think that way silverbackman but there are some problems. No matter how much we discuss Pakistan won't unite with India.

They would argue over things like what should be the name of the country like should it be Pakistan or India.

Then they would argue over who would be the president.
Will it be pervez or abdul.

THis caused the division in 1947.

we have to take burden of 35% of Pakistani population who are in poverty, 60% Bangladeshi population who are in poverty. This means 154 million poverty more. This is excluding the Indian poverty of 26% which is another 260 million. THen more unemployed, crime rate, terrorism, injustice towards women, NE being a separate part of India, more crowded, many ethnic groups in India losing their identity and lots of different stuffs.

[Omni]

Think about it, why were we separated amongst ourselves in the first place.

Remember the time when east pakistan muslims slaughtered hindus living in the area. I wasn't a part of that generation I was told this by people that I know and I do feel the relentless agony that hindus must have faced - maybe there should be a special day to remind us of this tragedy. Boys where slaughtered "halal" style - slowly, painfully and unmorally killing until death, girls were raped in front of their mothers and this is just one incident. Don't believe me look at this site "http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/modern/hindu_bangla.html" and research more if you want. Why should we invite these unessesary perverse conflicts from happening again. Muslims have their own idea about what is good and what is bad which contradicts our idea.

[Silverbackman]

Perhaps the fault lies with Islam as well. Muslims can be very intolerant.

Well what about Bhutan, Maldives, Nepal, and Sri Lanka returning to India? Why not? That won't be as bad.

[India1989]

Bhutan, Maldives and Nepal is fine. no problem with that. But Sri lanka that's a bit funky. They killed our Prime minister. and look at their war torn coutnry now. civil war everywhere. That won't be good for us.

[Omni]

Adding to the mess of deciding the unity of nations what about Trinidad?

[India1989]

Trinidad is too far away. The best we could do is to get those people migrate back to our country again.

Regarding Trinidad we should bring back Indians from all 110 countries in which they are spread in except from Pakistan, Bangladesh, Myanmmar, Sri Lanka and Nepal.

We can atmost combine Nepal, Bhutan, Maldives and Myanmmar.

THen we can somehow fight china and get back the part of India they occupied from before. It is Aksai Chin. Then after that get back POK and Shaskasm valley both of which belongs to India. Then get Tibet and then seal the borders and then stay happily. that solves the problem.

[Omni]

thoughtful idea. indians are widespread and distributed like the network but not functioning like one. Seeing that India is already over pop. bringing them back all at once would sink the ship. Indians Unite w/o borders.

[India1989]

If Pakistan and Bangladesh comes back in we will sink like a ship or like Titanic.

But if the parts of Kashmir which are actually ours and are occupied by other countries comes in then no prob.

[Silverbackman]

If Pakistan and Bangladesh comes back in we will sink like a ship or like Titanic.

But if the parts of Kashmir which are actually ours and are occupied by other countries comes in then no prob.

What's so bad about Bangladesh? It maybe poor and stuff but what South Asian country isn't (ie Bhutan and Nepal probably aren't doing too much better). At least it isn't filled with so many anti-Indians like Pakistan, eh?

[India1989]

I am a Bengali and i Know what's going on in there.

Bangladesh is as anti-India as is Pakistan. Bhutan is way better then Bangladesh.

Bangladesh cannot see India. BDR(Bangladesh Rifles) constantly loot our villagers in WEst Bengal and Bangladesh border when Indian army is not there. When Indian army stops illegal immigration from Bangladesh they say that Indian army were pushing out Indian muslims into Bangladesh.

All the norhteastern terrorist consider Bangladesh as safe heaven and live there.
Bangladesh has a huge hand in the recent attack on Bangalore.

Bhutan is way better.

Bangladesh sucks. they hate India. trust me they do.want prove. i can show it to you.

[Silverbackman]

I am a Bengali and i Know what's going on in there.

Bangladesh is as anti-India as is Pakistan. Bhutan is way better then Bangladesh.

Bangladesh cannot see India. BDR(Bangladesh Rifles) constantly loot our villagers in WEst Bengal and Bangladesh border when Indian army is not there. When Indian army stops illegal immigration from Bangladesh they say that Indian army were pushing out Indian muslims into Bangladesh.

All the norhteastern terrorist consider Bangladesh as safe heaven and live there.
Bangladesh has a huge hand in the recent attack on Bangalore.

Bhutan is way better.

Bangladesh sucks. they hate India. trust me they do.want prove. i can show it to you.

Dude are you serious???????? If Bangladesh is looting Indian villages that is a great excuse to go to war!!!!! It will be like James K. Polk and his aggression against Mexicans who drew first blood! Once war occurs we can conquer the nation and Indianize it. :cool:

Ash Nash Dan Rictadoon! Hail Victory!

[India1989]

See this is what happens.

Indian soldiers can't guard the whole border.

So sometimes like 30 or 40 Indian soldiers are guarding it. So during this time 400 villagers from Bangladesh came inside Indian territory and kidnapped a villager. At this time one 3 army guys went over there to ask for release. In this case 400 bangladeshis kidnapped the army people, torchered them, cut of their private parts, and cut their head and threw them on Indian border.

there was a note saying "you come into Bangladesh we finsih you bloody Indians".

THey constantly keep looting the Indian villagers in WEst BEngal and norhteast.

now the Indian govt. does is peace talk.
they call bangladeshi govt. and give them tea to drink and try to do peace talk. i mean what hte hell. go into war like china and finish them.
what is this peace talk. i am so mad now. i can't take this anymore. i am stopping.
this is not the end. they have done worse things.

[sunilkumar]

Silverbackman <-- what india1989 had said about bangladesh is all correct ... i think india should increase army at border of bangladesh.... bangladeshi are more or less like pakistan ... bangladeshi (illegal migrant) shuould not be allowed to come in india .....we should become more strict in this matter...

I don't know why indian govt is liberal against bangladeshi

[India1989]

The main problem is that Indian govt. is too much into peace. yes peace is good but too much is not good that too when other countries are hurting our peace. We should teach them a good lesson.

There are 20 million illegal Bangladeshi immigrants in India.
Only indian Bengalis can tell that who's a Bangladeshi.

[Omni]

What are they doing there?

[sunilkumar]

I will tell you what they do.... they come in india as illegal immigrant... yea they know they can go back so they do all sorts of crime by being servent of any house or they do extortion etc... i mean to say many other crimes, some do summgling also and above all they give illegal vote in election in west bengal.

I feel bad, because they do illegal activity in india .... they should not do illegal activity .... Indian have big heart because of this only other country people take their advantage.

[Omni]

India1989: Seems like indian bengalis are being outnumbered by bangladeshis in their own country.

SunilKumar: I can see that India has a big heart, but I geuss in todays world people could do whatever they can and get away and that includes what these "illegal aliens" are doing in India. There are lots of them everywhere even in America, Canada and they term them ILLEGAL ALIENS.
Like the chinese who arrive "fresh-off-the-boat" and can't speak a single sentence but have their way of doing stuff to make a living like computer hacking, selling pirated games, copying stuff and selling them for a better price, playing with the politics but then when caught are confused why and the list goes on. Which gives the country (1) a bad reputation (2) invites ethnic discrimination and (3) brings societal pressures which will punish society.
Jst to name a few, Canada as multi cultural as it is now is making stricter rules like making sure the chinese popution are here legally checking there dwellings if suspected illegal. Italy doesn't accept any immigrants only visitors. and perhaps other coutries have there own way of dealing with foreign affairs.
What is India doing of this matter?

So going back Bangladesh is out of the picture.

[Omni]

nuclear weapons, weapons of mass destruction doesn't equal peace.

[India1989]

K let me clarify something. Right now Bangladeshis dont' outnumber Indian bengalis but if we dont' check this thing then they will outnumber us soon. But its not so easy as India is way more diverse then Canada is and doesn't have freedom in the world.

See there lies many factors. There are many Indian Bengali muslims. If one goes to deport Bangladeshis they might also deport Indian muslim bengalis which is bad. Then there are lots of Bangladeshi HIndus who might not get deported and might continue to be the major cause of terrorism in Northeast India.

In Mumbai for ex cops can't understand the difference between a Bengali and a Assamese, how are they gonna distinguish Indian Bengalis and Bangladeshis.

India is trying to take care of this thing. Like they are trying fence the whole border with Bangladesh but the terrain is such that they can't completely fence it.

Now Bangladesh comes in and says that there are 0 Bangladeshis in India and shouldn't fence the border. If they do then they have to take strict measures and can bring in jihadi terrorists in India. India's soft nature makes it to peace talks which proves futile. REcently they are fencing the border but are doing it 1km inside Indian territories thus leaving 1000 Indian villages outside of our countries. THey can get constantly robbed by Bangladeshis and they infact get robbed when Indian army is not present.

If India goes on it own will then China, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Europe, Middle east and all African countries might go in for Bangladesh and pressurize India.

Its not that easy. Canada is a country where things can be managed easily. Canada boosts about diversity but is nowhere near India. I am sure Canada doesn't have 22000 languages including all dialects. I am sure that there are less then 6400 different ethnic groups.

If they have mroe then these then they are more diverse. But look they have immigration. India is so diverse without immigration.

[Omni]

i see thanks for informing, from what you say I do see the threat imposed by its neighbors which canada does not face frequenlty by its. so perhaps it was wrong for me to compare the countries. I just feel intimidated by all of these pointless reasonings by bangladesh and pakistan such as I will kill you, I will send terrorists, you got our monument blah blah blah and the constant battle a war is happening!

I have heard that the political parties are slow in making and initiating political decisions, why?

Isn't bangladesh against terrorism?

The Prime Minister (bangladeshes) hoped any sort of extremism, religious or otherwise, would die down and terrorism in the name of Islam would end once for all.

[procchina]

These countries are not India's terrotires

[observer]

I have heard that the political parties are slow in making and initiating political decisions, why?

Well the political parties in India practise vote-bank politics a lot and parties like the Congress in Assam even mollycoddle B'deshi illegal refugees for votes after they obtain fake ration cards. Some politicians only care about winning power and not about the national or even local interests :mad: But all of this isn't going unnoticed and there's a huge outcry over this in India now. Illegal immigration from B'desh isn't much tolerated now.


Isn't bangladesh against terrorism?

Haha, B'desh sits smug like Pakistan harbouring extremists. No matter what their PM says, she is herself in government with the help of Islamic fundamentalist parties. These extremists explode spectacular bombs even in their homelands of B'desh and Pakistan, and collude with eachother and government elements to terrorize India.

You see, the government of the present PM Kahelda Zia seems to be extremist friendly and communal while the previous government of Sheikh Hasina Wajed was secular and friendly towards India. So it's a mixed bag in B'desh and right now it's rotten apples in power there.

These countries are not India's terrotires

Yes, they are not India's territories. In my opinion these countries and India should integrate their economies first and in the long-term take a close and cooperative stance, just like the EU (European Union). The SAARC is there to do something like that only. But India must never think of militarily conquering these countries (and no one in their right minds in India does that anyway) because as I've said it's an outdated concept and against peace and stability. We should all take an example from the European Union and look at former viciously enemy countries which fought the biggest wars in recent times, closely cooperating today economically, politically and militarily.

[India1989]

I don't think that Bangladesh is against terrorism. ISI is recruiting people from Bangladesh. THey have their own terrorist organization called HUJI whose aim is to divide India into 3 more pieces. Take out a muslim part in northern India and make it a separate country and take a muslim part from south and set it as a separate country. Their another great ambition is to create a different country for sikhs. I think many of you know about this. Despite great patriotism by Indian muslims for India, they are still trying to divide them.

And about Sikhs. Please dont make me talk now. they are the most patriotic Indians ever who have contributed a lot. I mean they are the best and because of them India has been able to protect itself from Pakistan. HTey have played a great role during freedom movement and also now.

to tell the truth all the Indians are equally great and patriotic. No one can divide us if we remain united among ourselfes.