Evil teaching of Islam : Real cause of Terrorism

[kamal_1212]

Quran says:
Slay the unbelievers wherever you catch them. (2:191)
Fight them, until there is no more dissent and religion is that of Allah (2:193)
The vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve. (8:55)
Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers (3:28)
I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their fingertips off them (8:12)
Verily, the unbelievers are najis [unclean]. (9:28)
Ten things are essentially najis in Isalm: 1. Urine 2. Feces 3. Semen 4. Dead body 5. Blood 6. Dog 7. Pig 8. The sweat of an animal who eats najis things 9. Alcoholic beverages 10. Kafir (i.e you and I).

If you would like to read more on this please visit :faithfreedom.org.

[miqsh]

this forum has been introduces to faithfreedom.org already by some asshole too. and the people here have mostly rejected such crap from that useless site. so just forget ur business of making propaganda of such anti islamic posts.

[kamal_1212]

My Dear Miqsh,
If you think the is a scrap then why don't you accept the challenge give by Mr. Ali Sina given to all Muslim to come and prove that Islam is not teaching evil practices.

Here is the challenge from Mr Ali Sina for All muslim if they think Islam is a good religion then prove it:
I CHALLENGE
Muslims

I receive many mails from angry Muslims who sometimes beg me and sometimes order me to remove this site. None of that has any effect on me. I consider both pleading and bullying, the signs of psychopathology, which stem from a variety of personality disorders affecting the followers of Muhammad.

If you disagree with my site and want me to remove it, instead of acting as bully or as victim, I invite you to disprove my charges against Muhammad and Islam. If you can show that what I say is unfounded I promise to remove this site not before confessing that I was wrong and Islam is a true religion. I will also pay

$50,000 U.S. dollars

to anyone who can disprove my charges and prove Islam is a true religion in an objective (not subjective) way. This is to thank you for showing me the right way. Hey, what is $50.000 dollars compared to being burned and tortured by a sadistic deity?

The challenge is:

Disprove my accusations against Muhammad.

I accuse Muhammad of being:

a rapist
a pedophile (had sex with a child)
an assassin
a mass murderer
a ruthless torturer
a terrorist (I have been made victorious through terror)
a lecher
a misogynist
a narcissist
a thief and plunderer
a cult leader
a mentally deranged (was paranoid, heard voices, hallucinated of seeing jinns, Satan and angels, used to think he had sex with his wives when he did not, suffered from depression and had suicidal tendencies).

[miqsh]

the first and the foremost thing that mr ali asshole claims that Muhammed [P.B.U.H} is a rapist is totally wrong. see the meaning of rape. it means to molest a person without their permission. is there anywhere that says that any of the people he mated with was forced by him?? please show me the lines from the quran or i cannot accept what u have to reply.

[sunilkumar]

miqsh on one post kamal_1212 had mention few thing.... Let me know is it wrong or right? content of that post are as below in red... I need justification.... Please help me... thanks in advance...

1) Mohammad had 9 wives along with slaves
2) He married a 9 year old girl when he was 54 year old. The girl was his friend and follower's daughter.
3) Muhammad’s marriage with his adopted son’s wife

There are few more quotes which are can’t be explained

- Muhammad’s marriage with his adopted son’s wife. (Quran 33:37)

- Muslims cannot marry Muhammad’s wives (Quran 33:53).

- Permission to Muhammad to marry as many as women as he can (Quran 33:50)

Regard
Sunilkumar

[rohit khaitan]

Sunil kumar rest assured mishq will have no answers. He will safely choose not to answer most of ur questions and will try to deviate from the topic.

I ask u again mishq. whats wrong in singing vande mataram? Did muhammad marry a 9 yr old girl? Does quran says that non believers should be killed??

I challenge u that i can come to a mosque and offer namaz. Can u eat prasad from a hindu temple? If u think u r secular lets do it. And i mean it.

[rohit khaitan]

Mishq can u abuse osama bin laden here in teh public? Do u agree that he is a first class bastard because he killed so many innocent people. Do u agree that whosoever issued a fatwa against the danish cartoonist to kill him was wrong.

Do u agree that burqa system is wrong. Do u agree that polygamy is wrong? Do u agree that stoning somebody for homosexuality is wrong?

ANSWER ME STRAIGHT IF U HAvE THE GUTS AND DEBATE ON IT IF U CAN.
You say ur not a terrorist material. Then come on lets debate on these topics.

[Adil Memon]

Quran says:
Slay the unbelievers wherever you catch them. (2:191)
Fight them, until there is no more dissent and religion is that of Allah (2:193)
The vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve. (8:55)
Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers (3:28)
I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their fingertips off them (8:12)
Verily, the unbelievers are najis [unclean]. (9:28)
Ten things are essentially najis in Isalm: 1. Urine 2. Feces 3. Semen 4. Dead body 5. Blood 6. Dog 7. Pig 8. The sweat of an animal who eats najis things 9. Alcoholic beverages 10. Kafir (i.e you and I).

If you would like to read more on this please visit :faithfreedom.org.

My heart does not really allow me to wish you in our Islamic way which means peace unto you, yet, I must do what my religion has taught me.

Asalam-o-alaikum.

Mr. Kamal, first of all, shame on you for mis-quoting the verses of the Holy Quran. Rather than bridging the gaps, you're finding faults in our religion. If you don't have proper knowledge about it, please ask from a learned man rather than copying mistranslated verses and villifying Islam.

Let me be rational now. Time and again, i've observed you people just taking up a verse to slander Islam instead of looking into the context of the verse. Now my dear Mr. Kamal, before posting verses (2:191) (2:193) why didn't you take the pain to post the verses before it that clear the proceeding ones. Let me do that for you.

190. Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.

191. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

192. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

193. And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah. but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.

Anyone who can read English and doesn't have his vision blocked by bias is requested to read verse 2:190 before the ones quoted by Mr. Kamal. I hope it will clear the confusion.

I would also like to clear the meaning of unbeliever to Mr. Kamal. Mr. Kamal, unbeliever basically isn't a Hindu or anyone who doesn't follow Islam. There are even unbelievers in Islam. Because there is a way big difference between a professing and practising Muslim. If I do no offer prayers, there is no justification for me to be called a Muslim. I am an unbeliever. Unbeliever is the one who attributes the characteristics of God to anyone else, disobeys Him, and adds anyone besides him. There is a concept of "Unity of God" in every religion including Hinduism as well. But you people don't even know your own religion properly.

I think this clearance of the meaning of the word 'Kaafir' is enough for you rest assured that no Muslim is ordered to kill you. Muslims are never allowed to fight pre-emptively.

I will see if I can answer others right now.

Allah Hafiz

[Adil Memon]

My Dear Miqsh,
If you think the www.faithfreedom.org is a scrap then why don't you accept the challenge give by Mr. Ali Sina given to all Muslim to come and prove that Islam is not teaching evil practices.

Here is the challenge from Mr Ali Sina for All muslim if they think Islam is a good religion then prove it:
I CHALLENGE
Muslims

I receive many mails from angry Muslims who sometimes beg me and sometimes order me to remove this site. None of that has any effect on me. I consider both pleading and bullying, the signs of psychopathology, which stem from a variety of personality disorders affecting the followers of Muhammad.

If you disagree with my site and want me to remove it, instead of acting as bully or as victim, I invite you to disprove my charges against Muhammad and Islam. If you can show that what I say is unfounded I promise to remove this site not before confessing that I was wrong and Islam is a true religion. I will also pay

$50,000 U.S. dollars

to anyone who can disprove my charges and prove Islam is a true religion in an objective (not subjective) way. This is to thank you for showing me the right way. Hey, what is $50.000 dollars compared to being burned and tortured by a sadistic deity?

The challenge is:

Disprove my accusations against Muhammad.

I accuse Muhammad of being:

a rapist
a pedophile (had sex with a child)
an assassin
a mass murderer
a ruthless torturer
a terrorist (I have been made victorious through terror)
a lecher
a misogynist
a narcissist
a thief and plunderer
a cult leader
a mentally deranged (was paranoid, heard voices, hallucinated of seeing jinns, Satan and angels, used to think he had sex with his wives when he did not, suffered from depression and had suicidal tendencies).

I challenge that idiot to prove those charges in the light of Quranic Verses, Proven Precedents and Traditions.

I am a sensible man. And I can't hold blind faith in that idiot's illusions.
Regards,

[Adil Memon]

miqsh on one post kamal_1212 had mention few thing.... Let me know is it wrong or right? content of that post are as below in red... I need justification.... Please help me... thanks in advance...

1) Mohammad had 9 wives along with slaves
2) He married a 9 year old girl when he was 54 year old. The girl was his friend and follower's daughter.
3) Muhammad’s marriage with his adopted son’s wife

There are few more quotes which are can’t be explained

- Muhammad’s marriage with his adopted son’s wife. (Quran 33:37)

- Muslims cannot marry Muhammad’s wives (Quran 33:53).

- Permission to Muhammad to marry as many as women as he can (Quran 33:50)

Regard
Sunilkumar

1) Yes sir, our Holy Prophet had 9 wifes, but not simultaneously. Islam allows 4 at a time. And kept his number of wives limited to 4. Keeping slaves was a tradition which does not eliminate that easily. Today there is no concept of Slavery in Islam.

2) That's true. It was also a tradition at that time. Only today's civilized world discourages child marriages which were rampant at that time.

3) When we talk about an adopted son, we know that it's not the real blood. And according to Islamic law, the marriages are prohibited only in close consanguine relatives. like true sister, true mother, true aunt, true daughter, true niece. Marriages are healthy for society. And I don't think any sensible man should have a problem with marriage.

You people dislike it perhaps because you have a concept of Sati. Hindus let woman to rot after their husbands either die or leave them. In Islam, life of woman continues and flourishes.

God allowed the Holy Prophet to marry women of his choice. It was perhaps His favour on his loved one. Nothing bad.

Regarding the prohibition for the believers to marry the wives of Holy Prophet after him - I can say that any common believer isn't worthy to marry the Holy Prophet's wives. That's it.

Regards,

[Adil Memon]

Perhaps I will be banned from this forum after this. Anyways, its not the end of life.

I visited this forum after a long time, since I have myself established a forum. And I was wondering if the Administrator of this forum could be kind enough to give me the skin of this forum for mine. (I have no money)

I have asked for help openly. If the Administrator is kind enough for the favour, he is requested to send me a PM and i'll write back.

Regards,
Adil Memon

[Adil Memon]

Sunil kumar rest assured mishq will have no answers. He will safely choose not to answer most of ur questions and will try to deviate from the topic.

I ask u again mishq. whats wrong in singing vande mataram? Did muhammad marry a 9 yr old girl? Does quran says that non believers should be killed??

I challenge u that i can come to a mosque and offer namaz. Can u eat prasad from a hindu temple? If u think u r secular lets do it. And i mean it.

Rohit, what are you trying to prove? Perhaps, just making fun of religious obligations and rites. Be faithful to your religion. Remember one thing, Islam doesn't need anyone. Everyone needs Islam for success on the day of Judgement.

Alhamdullilah, if you can come to the Mosque and offer Namaz, do you have the courage to accept Islam and make way to heaven?

And the secularism you're talking about, i'm sure you don't even know the ABC of that theory. I don't have much time to explain you the details. I'm so lazy that I don't even contribute on my own forum. I have done too much for opening the eyes of you people. I hope you guys learn something.

Regards,

[sunilkumar]

Dear Adil Memon, Thank you very much for your reply….

Here is some thing I will like to put….

See with the passage of time every thing changes and we human being has to change as per the benefit of our society and earth. You said our Holy Prophet had 9 wifes, but not simultaneously. Islam allows 4 at a time. And kept his number of wives limited to 4. Keeping slaves was a tradition which does not eliminate that easily. Today there is no concept of Slavery in Islam.

I hope near future there will be concept of having one wife in Islam not four

Adil in India Child marriage is illegal, but marrying gal of 9 year by 54 year male is not child marriage. In child marriage boy and gal both are minor. But I still don’t understand the concept of 54 year male and 9 year girl.

When it comes to moral value son is always son, even though you adopt it or you had blood relation. Other wise it’s an idiotic thing to adopt son.

Adil we don’t have concept of Sati, I already mention some were on this forum that Sati Pratha was practice by wife of warrior when their husband died and lost the battle against Muslim ruler coz Muslim ruler believed that we are kafir so they were humiliating wife of other warrior raping them etc. So for respects female were doing suicide after the death of their husband (Warrior) … It was never a (Pratha) tradition, other wise in Ramayan after the death of Dasharat (father of RAM) all wife should die but all wife were alive. ;)

Adil you said “God allowed the Holy Prophet to marry women of his choice. It was perhaps His favour on his loved one. Nothing bad.”

In My religion no one was given specify right by GOD

This is true in Islam They believe God is one and they don’t pray to creation of GOD they only pray to God yea in my religion my Grand mother use to pray Tree of Neeam (Medicinal Plant), Peaple (Provide more oxygen than any other plant) Tulsi (Herbal Plant) etc, she use to pray to Sun also, which is a source of energy without sun life is not possible on earth, she use to treat Moon as mama(brother of mother Earth). Moon keep the balance of earth and always support earth because of which life is possible on earth etc.… but she also told me that GOD is one, I pray to such tree, sun etc. to give respect to the creation of GOD as they are useful to mankind

Hindu Say Cow is mother ..... Milk of cow is similar to the Milk of women which is scientifically proved, so if any women die after giving birth to a child than doctor prescribe milk of cow to that child... :) .

[sunilkumar]

In Islam every one is performing their work for Judgment Day.. We believe life and Death is ongoing Process and universal truth is death…. That can be of sun moon Earth human being etc. there are thousand of earth moon and sun in universe…

When Quran was written time and social environment of land was different where Prophet was living, he was warrior and leader of people at that time, he made some good rule as per that time which give good right to women of that era but still some improvement is required. My Personal opinion is that the entire thing what ever is written in quran cannot be applicable to today’s world some modification is required or proper justification of few things written in it is needed. We do have to understand one thing that RAM, Prophet, Jesus, Buddha etc. all were human being they were respectful personality and had done some thing good as per their time. Today we can make better rules, Law and right for individual. Islam is good in many things but still there is scope of improvement in making it better.

See I believe God is within me so whatever I am doing that is been done by god. I came on this earth to play my part when my time will be over I have to go from this earth I do have my soul which never dies it will change body. That never means that people should pray me coz, I say god is within me. But if I will do some thing good for some community they will remember me for long time and they will give me respect. And it will be consider that they are praying me and they made me god….. This is the Truth about RAM, JESUS, PROPHPET, BUDDHA..etc.. so called God ..:D

I do have one friend… His name is Mohit studying in IIT KGP, I use to chat with me from long time on my yahoo messenger… Right now I am remembering his word "God was alone so he was bored of himself, so he created earth, sun, moon, universe, human being etc… to keep himself busy …":D The base line is we should alway do our work for benefit of everyone and keep our self busy.

Adil this is true most of Hindu don’t know about their own religion, even I don’t know but most of time I can give proper justification on things which I believe. Yea I am reading Quran, I can do namaaz but I don’t know, I still remember in my college day I asked my two friend how to do namaaz but they never taught me. I don’t have any objection in reading namaaz but it’s good if we pray in proper way the way any religion say to pray. I know in Islam it is been prescribed that 5 time in a day namaaz has to be read, I use to remind my Muslim friend in my college days to study namaaz (Pray Allah) on Friday & I always use to give my bike to him so that he can go in mosque to pray Allah.

Secularism: - A neutral attitude, especially of the State, local government and public services, in matters relating to religion; non-religious rather than anti-religious.

I live in India I belong to hindu religion, who had accepted everyone from generation to generation, I believe in taking good from every one and rest I will leave.

I don’t have to think what is going to happen after my death its up to supreme power to decide for what purpose he had made me… I will not try to be god. But if I do good for society and mankind, people will pray me they are going to make me god and one day they will fight with other people those who will contradict with my rules belief or thought… they may or may not be correct it all depends on that era ;)

Adil thanks for teaching me…. :D hope you agree on my this word ==> ”we can get some knowledge from everyone… and all individual have some thing good to teach … “

Winner Are Always Correct & Winner writes the History.... Hittler was Wrong Coz he lost the battle.

Cheers….!
Sunilkumar

[rohit khaitan]

Rohit, what are you trying to prove? Perhaps, just making fun of religious obligations and rites. Be faithful to your religion. Remember one thing, Islam doesn't need anyone. Everyone needs Islam for success on the day of Judgement.

Alhamdullilah, if you can come to the Mosque and offer Namaz, do you have the courage to accept Islam and make way to heaven?

And the secularism you're talking about, i'm sure you don't even know the ABC of that theory. I don't have much time to explain you the details. I'm so lazy that I don't even contribute on my own forum. I have done too much for opening the eyes of you people. I hope you guys learn something.

Regards,


So my question still remains unanswered. Whats wrong in singing vande mataram?

Whats wrong in eating prasad from a hindu temple? Are hindus inferior to you? Do u believe only islam can take u to heaven? People from all other religion will go to hell?

Do u justify having 4 wives? Do u justify burka for women? Do you justify stonging someone publicly for homosexuality?

If u or your religion dont have the courage to answer my questions straight. I think you are bullshit.

If u ask me about sati system. I can say it was rubbish and stupid. Do you have the courage to say that about child marriage by prophet mohammad?


Come on answer me straight. If you are not a coward and if you believe there in no bullshit in ur religion dont beat around the bush. Answer my every question straight. And give ur justification for it.

(i know u dont have the guts to answer my questions. Because whenever someone talks with u logically you have the veil of islam to hide behind. In the name of your allah, prophet, in the name of islam come on answer my questions. i am challenging u and ur religion.

[miqsh]

So my question still remains unanswered. Whats wrong in singing vande mataram?

Whats wrong in eating prasad from a hindu temple? Are hindus inferior to you? Do u believe only islam can take u to heaven? People from all other religion will go to hell?

Do u justify having 4 wives? Do u justify burka for women? Do you justify stonging someone publicly for homosexuality?

If u or your religion dont have the courage to answer my questions straight. I think you are bullshit.

If u ask me about sati system. I can say it was rubbish and stupid. Do you have the courage to say that about child marriage by prophet mohammad?


Come on answer me straight. If you are not a coward and if you believe there in no bullshit in ur religion dont beat around the bush. Answer my every question straight. And give ur justification for it.

(i know u dont have the guts to answer my questions. Because whenever someone talks with u logically you have the veil of islam to hide behind. In the name of your allah, prophet, in the name of islam come on answer my questions. i am challenging u and ur religion.




1.
if vande mataram means worship to the nation then it is some inanimate object which we are to worship and that wouldn't make a difference between u and me. we believe in allah wereas u believe in a sculpture that has nothing to do with u at all. first u don't have an outright alibi for ur religion. so i don't think it is right on ur part to go against islam. :)
2.
i would like to know if there was any muslim who rejected some food items from temples?? if there was i would like to apologize for it. there isn't anything about not eating any thing out of other people's religion. if it is meat then that person did the right thing as we are only allowed to eat halal meat.
3.
as adil menon said, we all need islam to be on the right path. there isn't one place where we ask people to join islam. there are so many good things which exceed the ideals of other religion that u guys only see the so called 'bad aspects' of islam.
4.
just because we are allowed to marry more than one wife doesn't make u anybody to nose into our affairs. who are u? a muslim? no so just shut up. it isn't any use being polite to people like u. :mad:
5.
for burkha ask the women. they would tell u that we men did nothing to impose that to women. it was one of the wives of the prophet who suggested that idea. then again i suppose u aren't capable of understanding that can u??
6.
well if ur sister [if u have one] was raped then how will u feel like doing to that person. please understand that people who robbed banks and stuff had the hand cut off. to remind them to not to do anything again and a lesson to other people.
7.
when prophet muhammed's {P.B.U.H.} first wife died. he was so sad that, he did not intend on marrying anybody else. But allah commanded him to marry again to help him out in times of trouble. unlike some people who just wasted their lives grieving over the death of others. but remebering them is a good thing if u ask me.



if there is anything u have doubts about islam then first make sure u are able to answer these questions---

1.
why do u believe in idols?? :confused:
2.
okay one idol is bad enough, but how can u worship more than one?
3. trivial question - not mandatory
what is the damn reason why u bath ur idols in lots of milk, when there are a lot of people who can't even have a square meals everyday??

[Adil Memon]

I hope near future there will be concept of having one wife in Islam not four


For this explanation I would request you to listen to a talk of Dr. Zakir Naik regarding the misconceptions about Islam.

He has explained scientifically how the ratio of women in the world exceeds that of men. And for keeping a society healthy (i.e. killing social evils like adultery, rapes, molestation, incest and fornication etc.) it is very important that every woman and man finds a match. If we limit the number of wives to 1 for each man. There will be millions of women that won't find matches. They will become public property.


Adil in India Child marriage is illegal, but marrying gal of 9 year by 54 year male is not child marriage. In child marriage boy and gal both are minor. But I still don’t understand the concept of 54 year male and 9 year girl.


Brother Sunil, as I have explained to you... such marriages were prevalent in Arabia in those ancient times. The law in India, that you're talking about, is a recent one. As I have already explained to you this abhorrence against such marriages between a pair with such age difference is a notion created only in the recent times. Such practices however take place all over the world in rural areas since they have very limited opportunities in life. And they don't get good education.

But in an urban area, a 9 year girl studies in class 4 and she has an academic adventure ahead her, which wasn't the case at that time in Arabia.

If your purpose of asking this question is to trap me, then there is no explanation with me that can appease you because your goal is different. But if you truly intend to understand the essence, think around my explanation.

I agree with your statement that things vary with the passage of time. So has that tradition of child marriages.


When it comes to moral value son is always son, even though you adopt it or you had blood relation. Other wise it’s an idiotic thing to adopt son.


There is a big difference between adoption and blood relation. In Islam, you can also marry a self-proclaimed sister who doesn't have consanguinary relations with you. You guys dont marry your cousins - this is what my hindu friend told me. But there is no such restriction in us, since the cousin is a blood of maternal or paternal uncle not your own father.

Let me give you some more points that would help you irritate Muslims with such questions.

Suppose I adopt a son. That's my only son. And if I die leaving a estate behind me, that son would not be entitled to a single penny until and unless I gift all my estate to him before dying.

I hope this explains.


Adil we don’t have concept of Sati.


Brother I am really an ignorant person. I do not know much about your religion. I just said what I had learnt from my books. And since I live in Pakistan, those books can be biased.


This is true in Islam They believe God is one and they don’t pray to creation of GOD they only pray to God yea in my religion my Grand mother use to pray Tree of Neeam (Medicinal Plant), Peaple (Provide more oxygen than any other plant) Tulsi (Herbal Plant) etc, she use to pray to Sun also, which is a source of energy without sun life is not possible on earth, she use to treat Moon as mama(brother of mother Earth). Moon keep the balance of earth and always support earth because of which life is possible on earth etc.… but she also told me that GOD is one, I pray to such tree, sun etc. to give respect to the creation of GOD as they are useful to mankind


You must read the concept of Humanity in Islam. According to Islam all Allah's other creations are subservient to us (human beings). And we are in no way instructed or order to worship them since they are our own servants.

By worshipping such objects, you degrade your own status. I do not mean to make fun of your customs and rites, but i'm telling you a logic. Worship only God, who is the Almighty.


Hindu Say Cow is mother ..... Milk of cow is similar to the Milk of women which is scientifically proved, so if any women die after giving birth to a child than doctor prescribe milk of cow to that child...


I disagree. Show me that proof.

[Adil Memon]

Brother, it's an informative experience interacting with you since your mode of interaction is appreciable. Thanks for being polite.

Brother, there are several misunderstandings that you and we have attained over the passage of time. The problem is that we don't know things and we're misguided. There is no reason to fight. I do not understand why Mr. Rohit has to present Islam as an evil. Why does he call me "Bullshit". Why?

I and Islam didn't harm anyone. Atrocities committed on our people are humanely acts not faults of religions. If some Hindus kill Muslims in Gujrat should I start abusing Hinduism?

Anyways, let's get back to the discussion.


[B]In Islam every one is performing their work for Judgment Day.. We believe life and Death is ongoing Process and universal truth is death…. That can be of sun moon Earth human being etc. there are thousand of earth moon and sun in universe…

When Quran was written time and social environment of land was different where Prophet was living, he was warrior and leader of people at that time, he made some good rule as per that time which give good right to women of that era but still some improvement is required. My Personal opinion is that the entire thing what ever is written in quran cannot be applicable to today’s world some modification is required or proper justification of few things written in it is needed. We do have to understand one thing that RAM, Prophet, Jesus, Buddha etc. all were human being they were respectful personality and had done some thing good as per their time. Today we can make better rules, Law and right for individual. Islam is good in many things but still there is scope of improvement in making it better.

Islam has a concept of Estehsaan, Ijtihad, Ijma and Qiyas. It moulds the religion according to the needs of changing time. This is the reason Islam is the last religion - because after this humanity doesn't require anything more.


See I believe God is within me so whatever I am doing that is been done by god. I came on this earth to play my part when my time will be over I have to go from this earth I do have my soul which never dies it will change body. That never means that people should pray me coz, I say god is within me. But if I will do some thing good for some community they will remember me for long time and they will give me respect. And it will be consider that they are praying me and they made me god….. This is the Truth about RAM, JESUS, PROPHPET, BUDDHA..etc.. so called God ..:D


If whatever you do are God's act it means God commits the sins? Do you mean that?


I do have one friend… His name is Mohit studying in IIT KGP, I use to chat with me from long time on my yahoo messenger… Right now I am remembering his word "God was alone so he was bored of himself, so he created earth, sun, moon, universe, human being etc… to keep himself busy …":D The base line is we should alway do our work for benefit of everyone and keep our self busy.




Adil this is true most of Hindu don’t know about their own religion, even I don’t know but most of time I can give proper justification on things which I believe. Yea I am reading Quran, I can do namaaz but I don’t know, I still remember in my college day I asked my two friend how to do namaaz but they never taught me. I don’t have any objection in reading namaaz but it’s good if we pray in proper way the way any religion say to pray. I know in Islam it is been prescribed that 5 time in a day namaaz has to be read, I use to remind my Muslim friend in my college days to study namaaz (Pray Allah) on Friday & I always use to give my bike to him so that he can go in mosque to pray Allah.


It is so nice of you. Brother, it is an inherent duty of Muslims to set others on the right path that could lead them to heaven. If you are fulfilling one of the obligations of Allah you'll get its reward. What I hate is that people of different religions start cursing other religions.

The point is we must stand united on the commonalities in our religions and when an environment of peace is developed, we can resolve our differences. Why do we have to kill each other to decide what's right and what's wrong.


Secularism: - A neutral attitude, especially of the State, local government and public services, in matters relating to religion; non-religious rather than anti-religious.


A point from my side: Secularism is not actually atheism, it just reduces religion to be a private matter. But if we eliminate religion from our collective life, we're bound to err somewhere, because we're humans. I will direct you sometime to my writings about Islam. You could learn a lot from them.


I live in India I belong to hindu religion, who had accepted everyone from generation to generation, I believe in taking good from every one and rest I will leave.


Rightly said.


I don’t have to think what is going to happen after my death its up to supreme power to decide for what purpose he had made me… I will not try to be god. But if I do good for society and mankind, people will pray me they are going to make me god and one day they will fight with other people those who will contradict with my rules belief or thought… they may or may not be correct it all depends on that era ;)


Hahaha, you're flying to high, boy.


Adil thanks for teaching me…. :D hope you agree on my this word ==> ”we can get some knowledge from everyone… and all individual have some thing good to teach … “


It's my pleasure dear. I agree with your statement.


Winner Are Always Correct & Winner writes the History.... Hittler was Wrong Coz he lost the battle.


That's also right.

Best of Luck.

Allah Hafiz

[Adil Memon]

Learn to speak decently first. You're not here to learn. Just to create mischief. And I do'nt talk to such criminals.

So my question still remains unanswered. Whats wrong in singing vande mataram?

Whats wrong in eating prasad from a hindu temple? Are hindus inferior to you? Do u believe only islam can take u to heaven? People from all other religion will go to hell?

Do u justify having 4 wives? Do u justify burka for women? Do you justify stonging someone publicly for homosexuality?

If u or your religion dont have the courage to answer my questions straight. I think you are bullshit.

If u ask me about sati system. I can say it was rubbish and stupid. Do you have the courage to say that about child marriage by prophet mohammad?


Come on answer me straight. If you are not a coward and if you believe there in no bullshit in ur religion dont beat around the bush. Answer my every question straight. And give ur justification for it.

(i know u dont have the guts to answer my questions. Because whenever someone talks with u logically you have the veil of islam to hide behind. In the name of your allah, prophet, in the name of islam come on answer my questions. i am challenging u and ur religion.

[sunilkumar]

Islam looks at the individual as a whole. He/she is required to submit themself completely to Allah as the Qur'an instructed the Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) to do:
"Say (O Muhammad) my prayer, my sacrifice, my life and my death belong to Allah; He has no partner and I am ordered to be among those who submit, (i.e. Muslims)." (Qur'an ,6:162-163 ).

The natural result of this submission is that all one's activities should conform to the instructions of the One to whom the person is submitting. Islam, being a way of life, requires that its followers model their lives according to its teachings in every aspect, religious or otherwise.

In Geeta (Hinduism) it is been mention that all one's activities that they do is an instructions of God. Your life Your Death all belongs to GOD. We just have to perform our part by being true to ourselves and others on this earth, soul never dies its body which dies.... We don't have to be Hindu or Muslim to believe in this....

In Quran it is been written "Islam made Paradise under the feet of mothers according to one tradition"...

I need Paradise & if I will serve my Mom I will be in Paradise as per Quran ...

Even Prophet was knowing this... in my religion also I have to treat my parents as god I don't have to go any pilgrimage to worship god, if I pray my parent.. My moms then I don’t have to bother about "judgment day”...I will get paradise...

We should know our country is our mother land and to worship our motherland has been said in every religion. So vandemataram is nothing related to my religion it is fully dedicated to motherland. Earlier in 1947 India was divided on basis of religion and Pakistan was born I don’t want another Pakistan, Indian Muslim those who want another Pakistan now they can leave my country... let see how many Muslim country are allowing them to stay in their land....

miqsh we don't give meat as Prasad in a temple, so question of halal meat doesn’t arise.. We only give some nuts or fruit. I had given many time such thing(Prasad) to my Muslim friends they were eating it, but few were throwing it.. they were not throwing it in front of me.. they will take prasad and when i am not arround they will throw.... such type of Muslim should get more guidance about Islam in proper way.

One thing more I have to tell you that my grand mom was not praying any idol, Picture... or sculpture.
Like mosque, in India people created Temple in that temple their is statue of Buddha also, Mahavir Jain and many other so called GOD... when people pray them it's actually showing respect to them... one thing is universally true that when we do prayer that mean we are meditating... so for meditation you have to concentrate toward god ... God is everywhere.

Sikh religion was born from Hindu religion, father of Guru Nanak was Kaluram Mehta .. Mehta are Brahmin like me ;)
Guru Nanak said God is everywhere... when he was sleeping in temple his legs was toward Statue of GOD... Priest came to him and said why you are sleeping like this your legs are facing toward god... Guru Nanak said God is everywhere...
Fact is when people like Priest don't know correct meaning of GOD or Religion they teach wrong things…

Even when you read namaaz you are meditating.

In Islam men has to go in Mosque on friday to read namaaz but other than that they can read anywhere.

Same way in Hindu religion people go in temple. But they can meditate anywhere, Putting some statue or burning candle.

Few people give bath to statue of Lord Krishna, they are actually jerk they don't know religion, Krishna was son of milk man who like milk related food so people think that if they will give bath to statue of Krishna with milk He will be happy.... In my religion it is not written to give bath to any god or goddesses with milk to make them happy.

misq u said ...just because we are allowed to marry more than one wife doesn't make u anybody to noise into our affairs. Who are u? A muslim? No so just shut up. It isn't any use being polite to people like u.

Misq better take opinion of Muslim female on your above statement and ask them are they ready to share their husband with other women....

Misq you said for burkha ask the women. They would tell u that we men did nothing to impose that to women. it was one of the wives of the prophet who suggested that idea. Then again I suppose u aren't capable of understanding that can u??...

Misq bhurka should be women's personal choice whatever she like she should wear, In summer you want women to wear black bhurka .. You know black absorbs more heat... your Muslim men were smart they took white color and gave black to women .... To play tennis and to perform in better way Sania Mirza(Indian tenis star) can't wear bhurka ok.. Your idiot E-mam raised fatwa against her.. What a shit...? How you can say men and women are equal in Islam?

Time was different when the rule of bhurka was implemented but now same thing is not present globally... If I will see face of any gal I am not going to pick that girl and rape her....ok.

misq you said when prophet muhammed's {P.B.U.H.} first wife died. He was so sad that, he did not intend on marrying anybody else. But Allah commanded him to marry again to help him out in times of trouble. Unlike some people who just wasted their lives grieving over the death of others. But remembering them is a good thing if u ask me.

So you mean to say that he married other eight women to overcome from the pain, coz of death of his first wife... :D In that 9 year old girl when he was of 54.

See Misq i don't want to change your faith from Islam or anything...there are few thing which are very good in Islam, but still modification is required. And if you will think properly & deeply you will get an idea that all RAM, PROPHET, JESUS etc. were good human being of their time, we (People) made them Just like god.

From:- Friendly Sunilkumar

[sunilkumar]

Adil Below is few things for you.

In India population of female is less compare to male.

India is Secular, So better to keep religion as personal matter, no need to create fatwa against dressing of Sania Mirzaa when she plays tennis.

In India Loud speaker is not allowed in night during navratri. (Hindu Festival) which create noise pollution.

Rohit don’t want to learn Islam, he just want Pakistan to stop cross boarder terrorism against India. Terrorist are fooling Indian Muslim by showing them wrong Islam.

India is very populated with people of different religion; India is an ideal country which can be an example to whole nation of world that every religion can live together with an equal rights.

Content of Milk of cow is very similar to the Milk of women, adil I was student of chemistry so I know & from school day I was knowing this… even I had seen this in discovery channel (Its not an Indian channel), this is also true if any women die after giving birth to a child than doctor prescribe milk of cow to that child... coz that milk is digestible

Adil you said According to Islam all Allah's other creations are subservient to us (human beings). And we are in no way instructed or order to worship them since they are our own servants. By worshipping such objects, you degrade your own status. I do not mean to make fun of your customs and rites, but i'm telling you a logic. Worship only God, who is the Almighty.

Here were the difference lies…
Adil we are not degrading our self we treat our self equal to other creation of GOD. You should know if we remove human being from earth still earth will exist & other living organism will exist but not in case of visa versa. We give respect to creation of GOD for coming generation to understand them that, it is one of the useful things for mankind. We give them respect. Adil when I do Namastey, it is a same pose by which I pray to god. So when I say Namastey or Namaskar to you I am treating you as respectful creature of this universe.

One more thing you had asked me about Sin. (PA-AP)

I am son of Hindu Brahmin, I don’t eat non-veg, you are Muslim as per my knowledge most of them eat non-veg, so you also eat other animal, you kill them then you eat them… for me to kill any animal is not favored… That means if I think what ever you are doing is sin by killing animal and eating them then I am wrong… Fact is SIN and BOON both are creation of human being the way we say heaven and hell both you can get here on earth. There is nothing like SIN OR BOON we have to work for the benefit of every one on this earth … Your future will be decided by your present work and past is never going to come. Nothing is more important then your work… We all know GOD help those who help themselves. To work society in a proper way with good moral value we human being created SIN and BOON... Heaven & Hell … so that people should be afraid to do any wrong deeds & they should think that they can be punished after death also …:D.

In my religion it is been written “Karam karo Fal ki chinta Maat karo…Jesa Karam Karoge vesa Fal meelega”. That mean we have to work we don’t have to think about it fruit... we will get our fruit as per our deeds.

If I will hurt any one (Mentally or Physically) I am doing Sin, Any one means all creation of GOD.

Adil I am vegetarian but I drink milk… but milk is a secretion of blood…:)

Bina Khuda ki izaat ke may es Dharti par raha nahi skataa … tho bina uski marzi ke may kuch kartaa bhi nahi, Accha buraa jo bhi kar rahaa hun vo hee karva rahaa hai … hope Adil You got me. ..(Without permission of god I cannot stay on this earth, so without wish of God I can not perform any task on this earth that can be good or bad)

Adil you said ==> Islam has a concept of Estehsaan, Ijtihad, Ijma and Qiyas. It moulds the religion according to the needs of changing time. This is the reason Islam is the last religion - because after this humanity doesn't require anything more.

I don’t know much about Estehsaan, Ijtihad, Ijma and Qiyas but in my religion (So called Hindu religion) it is been written every thing changes with passage of time. So we as a human being, noble creature of this earth should understand the requirement of time and its social need we must act accordingly to adopt the situation for benefit of every one (creation of GOD).

On my this word ==> “I don’t have to think what is going to happen after my death its up to supreme power to decide for what purpose he had made me… I will not try to be god. But if I do good for society and mankind, people will pray me they are going to make me god and one day they will fight with other people those who will contradict with my rules belief or thought… they may or may not be correct it all depends on that era “

You (Adil) Said ==> Ha ha ha, you're flying to high, boy….

Adil I do have eyes of GOD … whatever I see most of people are not able to see… :D Jesus, RAM, Prophet, Gautam Buddha, Mahavir Jain, Guru Nanak, Swami Narayan, etc. They never thought what I said… that’s why you also said .. flying to high boy …:D.

From:- Friendly Sunilkumar

[sunilkumar]

Adil Exclusive For you ...:D

In Hinduism Suprem GOD is one, but a person can sees God in many forms and understands that any form of God can be worshipped to achieve moksha, the union with God. Karma is also practiced to achieve moksha. God is believed to have three aspects; to create (Brahmaa), to sustain (Vishnu) and to destroy (Shiva.) This triad is represented by the OM icon. This triad also is known as Sanatan. Sanatan also denoted both God and souls as eternal. This religion is hence the Sanatan Dharma and is believed to have always existed. Furthermore, God is believed to be the protector of this religion.

Hinduism is pantheistic because it sees that everything is God. It is henotheistic because it believes that there are many souls who became deities or Devas due the blessings of God. It is monotheistic because it believes that even the Devas are parts and parcels of Paramatma.

The Sanatan Dharma is also known by many names as it expands to many peoples. A popular name, usually used by Hindu reformers is Arya Dharma. Another popular name is Vaidik Dharma because it is founded by the Vedas and focuses on the Vedic way of life. It is called Sat Dharma by a few, meaning also "eternal religion." In the Mahabharata there is a chapter called the Mokshdharma. Because Hinduism is believed by its disciples to lead to Moksha, it is called by the name. It is also known to a few as Atma Dharma meaning that it is the focuses on the salvation of the soul. It is also called Jaiva Dharma meaning the same.

Earlier i said something regarding SATI ... now you can get some more idea about it...

Sati (as verb) is an act of immolation of a woman on her husband's funeral pyre. Sati (as noun) one who immolated self-willingly.

(Sati was practiced by the Scythians and also the ancient peoples of Scythia, Egypt, Scandinavia and China). Sati was performed ideally as an act of immortal love.

Madri, second wife of Pandu, who held herself responsible for his death, performed sati. His first wife Kunti did not commit sati.

So it was personal to women and no one was forcing them.

In reference to India, Most of women were not becoming Sati but at the beginning of the Moghul Empire in 13th century. From 13th century onward, because of death of her husband, a Hindu woman who has avowed to remain with her husband during the marital rites upon fire as a life long soulmate, were targets of Muslim raiders and early conquerors of India. Since woman had lack of societal support, such as from Temple priest, village elders, from molestation, rape and other atrocities, it was a scapegoat means to deprive the conqueros of rape and pillage of the Hindu women. That saw a significant increase in Satiism from mid-13th century until early-20th century, when British Viceroy abolished the act od Satiism by the Order of The Empress Victoria.

I hope Adil you also got an Idea of Many god in Hindu (So called Religion)

From:- Friendly Sunilkumar

[rohit khaitan]

Learn to speak decently first. You're not here to learn. Just to create mischief. And I do'nt talk to such criminals.


That still does not answer my questions. And yes i am not here to learn islam as u expect me to. And yes i am a criminal by ur standards. Because answering straight questions that hits ur bigotary religious views is a crime in ur religion.

And yes mishq vande mataram means bowing down to ur mother nation.

Whats wrong in it? Were all the freedom fighter who sung it wrong? Every soldiers who fight on the borders singing it are wrong? And yes this country is run by a constitution and not by any religion. And vande mataram is a national song as declared by our constitution. If you cant respect the constitution of this country go and live in a country run by religious leaders. Not in a democratic country like India.

And yes muslim women want burqas? Then why do u have to issue a fatwa on tasleema nasrin and sania mirza. Let them decide what they want to wear. And your mullah are nobody to decide on anyone. Its the decision of the courts and law in the country that matters. Not your fucking religious bull shit.

And its your choice if u want to have more then one wife because you are muslim. Fine. Will u let ur wife have four husbands?? is that ok brother. Adil Now the ratio of men in the country is more then women. So your wife should have a extra husband right. I guess thats fine wiht u. Other wise some men will become public property. Right. (you know thats why i call u bull shit)

And yes for worshipping many idols. There is a simple logic behind it. worshipping is all about concentrating your energy to something supreme. And with pictures in ur mind u can concentrate better. There can be multiple paths to God. (As told by hindu religion. I am not progating hinduim like u propagate islam in ur every sentence. But since u asked i am answering you)

And as for pouring milk on idols. Yes i agree it is bullshit. Can u call the fatwa on sania mirza bull shit. Can u call the fucked up mulla who ordered beheading of danish cartoonist bullshit. Why didnt the same mullah asked for beheading M.F. Hussain when drew sita in the nude. If you people are so secular do it.

And yes you gave me the example of rape. Well in pakistan a few days back a woman was raped because his brother committed some crime. And local mullahs there ordered that woman to be raped because of his brothers crime. Of course the dictator Musshi did nothing. You are an indian. Can u call that mullah a first class bastard. And what about cutting the hands of that man off mishq. (And yes if not wearing burqa attracts rapists. Then 95 percent of women in this country dont wear burqas. So according to you the entire population will become rapists)

Come on i am hitting u straight. Asnwer me back straight. Lets see who wins it logically. Your typical brain will suggest u not to debate because ur bull shit religion teaches u to accept things by blind faith.














You people are obsessed with some shit. And u do everything to justify it. You have blind faith. BLIND FAITH.

[rohit khaitan]

And yes if your religious is so pious. And so correct. Why does more then half of the population in muslim areas live dirty and hungry.

If you people are so secular why every person who supports pakistani terrorists in india turns out to be a muslim??

When we people so openly criticize gujarat. Why do you people give roundabout answeres on kashmir. Why dont u criticize theh abominable acts there openly.

When we can say ur faith is fine. You can choose a path to god. And our faith is fine. We can choose our path. Why do u people think that only islam can lead you to heaven. (As for me i believe in hell and heaven on earth) But this question is for religious people like you.
And you believe that i will go to hell for saying these things right?? :D see u up there.....

Why is it that the higest proportion of criminals, anti social elements, terrorists come from muslim society. Why is it that most of the muslim countries are utterly poor. Except for some opec nations which do nothing but to sell oil to America so that they can bomb u with that oil.

Before crying fowl and howling. Think Think. Do some introspection. If there is a spot on ur shirt there is no harm in cleaning it. If there s something wrong in Quran or ramayan or mahabharat or bible there is nothing wrong in agreeing to it.

Do not be a religious bigot. Be a good human. Do humanity a favour.

[miqsh]

Whats wrong in it? Were all the freedom fighter who sung it wrong? Every soldiers who fight on the borders singing it are wrong? And yes this country is run by a constitution and not by any religion. And vande mataram is a national song as declared by our constitution. If you cant respect the constitution of this country go and live in a country run by religious leaders. Not in a democratic country like India.



is this what india is portrayed according to follow what bloody people like u started eh? democracy?? it seems that from what u said there isn't a right for us to reject what we want to and what we don't. no choice here u see. where is the damn secularism bastard.

[miqsh]

u idiot. there are people who want islamic rules to be done strictly. people who fail to do the most adequate requirements aren't true muslims. am i telling that what the mullah's of india did were right. infact i have a feeling that people like u are the reasons why they fear that they must enforce the laws of islam. so if a person tends to fail to follow some of the essential requirements like wearing burqa then they aren't what i would call true muslims. u hate muslims right. u aren't tolerant at all. u are just a faggot who just has some mask to get ur dirty work done.

[miqsh]

yeah what ever idea u have come up with is total crap to me as u believe mine to be too regarding ur idol stuff. just some words to cover up ur big holes in ur religion.

as for sita, aren't the sculptures made nude eh?? is there any idol that isn't so?? i am not telling that hindus are shameless but ofcourse u are one of the exceptions.

if there is a possiblity. u might use this post to start communal riots in india. if it wasn't the fact that muslims are the second biggest population in india. and that it would affect ur religion as well that is the reason why people like u are trying to secretly eliminate the muslims in india. i didn't believe it at first. but experience with u is enough for me to watch my back from hereafter for people like u. there are some genuine people who want the india to be the best example of secularism but u aren't one of them at all.

[miqsh]

wait! what if the brother had laid hands on another woman u moron. then what would the other person do? asshole think man there might be more than one issue to it. idiot where is the blasted indian brain the indians have?? have u spent it one arguing some bullshit.

there is definitely tons of mistakes in ur religion in terms of bigamy okay. one of the gods of urs aren't up to what they expect of u is he?? fuck u man. once i looked upon u as a good indian. now u aren't even worth spitting at now.

[India1989]

wow wow wow!! I came back after a long time thinking this site will improve but what the hell?? This site has stooped even lower.

I had some respect for rohit . But now i wonder whether i was right or not. First of all rohit why in the whole damn world are you disrespecting another religion. How would u feel if someone else does that to ur religion. You live in a secular country and you have no right in disrespecting another religion. If you had even a bit of knowledge then u would know that Islam or in fact no religion teaches or preaches evil. Its some anti socials who does that.

What are you guys proving. You guys are creating bad name for Hindus by putting islam down or saying bad words against another religion. What prove do you guys have that they preach bad things in Islam.

They dont' sing vande mataram so whats wrong with. They do sing Jana GAna mana. Atleast they sing it unlike some damn Hindus who claim that it was to praise the British rule. Islam is not a bad religion. Every religion is equal and it is our duty to respect every religion cause we are Indians. We are from country where there is every religion and every kind of people. We together form Indians.

Don't forget the contributions of Muslims to India.

and whoever the guy was at the beginign of the thread who made stupids comments on islam. Yo have u read quran you dumbass. If u didn't then shut the hell up.

yeah one guy maybe bad. Even Hindus have bad people and bad elements. There was sati in Hindu. Does that mean that Hindus preach evil. Yeah naxalites etc etc are terrorist groups formed by Hindus. Does that mean that Hindus are bad. Same goes for all religion.

But yeah if all Hindus turn into people like you then our religion will degrade down to a very low level. Respect others if you want to be respected.

and rohit if you are not mistaken then why does so many HIndus live in poverty and in hunger. Why rohit why? Just cause u don't doesn't mean other HIndus don't.

anyways its useless to even talk with unmannered uncivilized guys like you.

sionara. and don't talk shit specially kamal.

mods please try to block users like kamal who has no work except for talking shit.

[kamal_1212]

Few more questions :

What is with Pigs, dogs and apes, why did Allah create them if the disliked them so much?

What is with Satan? did Allah create Satan (his own enemy?)

How can a creator of the Universe dislike his own creation?If Allah did not create them, surely there is some other creator also and sure Allah has some competition. Hence he does not likes partners?

Why after more than 1450 years Allah could not make the world Dar ul islam. Seems a very weak deity? They claim that he created the universe in 7 days and he could not make the world Dar ul islam in 1450 years?

ha ha ha

[rohit khaitan]

wait! what if the brother had laid hands on another woman u moron. then what would the other person do? asshole think man there might be more than one issue to it. idiot where is the blasted indian brain the indians have?? have u spent it one arguing some bullshit.

there is definitely tons of mistakes in ur religion in terms of bigamy okay. one of the gods of urs aren't up to what they expect of u is he?? fuck u man. once i looked upon u as a good indian. now u aren't even worth spitting at now.


So you dont have answers to my question. And u reacted in ur typical way. Spit at others. Abuse them. Of course u cant kill me here or u would have done that as well.

You know you fucker, every time a question is asked about ur religion. You people cry and fowl and bang ur heads on floors and draw ur weapons to kill others. If you have the guts debate me mr. bigot.

I call sati and bigamy bullshit. You have the guts to call killing of non believers as recommended by your religion bullshit?? Do u have teh guts to call burqa system bullshit?

And yes india 1989, you are a kid. I will show u how. remember some girl on this forum said i would like to marry somebody like ram whos maryada purshottam. And mishq s reply was lollllssss......... You say a thing about muhammad and he will shit in his pants. And let him clarify if he has guts. He will not argue with me. Because he knows he cant.


And as far as prayers r concerned. Prayers r sung in every school in india. So why dont tehy stop going to schools if they only bow down to allah. They should not sing any prayer at all except for namaj. And they want it this way only. And vande mataram is the first step to that goal.

They want taj mahal to be the property of muslim personal law board. Ask him if ur freind mishq is against it. Ask him if hes against burqa system. He will not say a word against anything in islam. whatever bullshit it may be.

But u say anything against hinduism and christianity. he will laugh at the peak of his voice. You can notice this in all his posts throughout the forum.

Come on mishq answer my questions. Dont go and hide in ur masjid. Answer me and answer me openly

[miqsh]

So you dont have answers to my question. And u reacted in ur typical way. Spit at others. Abuse them. Of course u cant kill me here or u would have done that as well.

You know you fucker, every time a question is asked about ur religion. You people cry and fowl and bang ur heads on floors and draw ur weapons to kill others. If you have the guts debate me mr. bigot.

I call sati and bigamy bullshit. You have the guts to call killing of non believers as recommended by your religion bullshit?? Do u have teh guts to call burqa system bullshit?

And yes india 1989, you are a kid. I will show u how. remember some girl on this forum said i would like to marry somebody like ram whos maryada purshottam. And mishq s reply was lollllssss......... You say a thing about muhammad and he will shit in his pants. And let him clarify if he has guts. He will not argue with me. Because he knows he cant.


And as far as prayers r concerned. Prayers r sung in every school in india. So why dont tehy stop going to schools if they only bow down to allah. They should not sing any prayer at all except for namaj. And they want it this way only. And vande mataram is the first step to that goal.

They want taj mahal to be the property of muslim personal law board. Ask him if ur freind mishq is against it. Ask him if hes against burqa system. He will not say a word against anything in islam. whatever bullshit it may be.

But u say anything against hinduism and christianity. he will laugh at the peak of his voice. You can notice this in all his posts throughout the forum.

Come on mishq answer my questions. Dont go and hide in ur masjid. Answer me and answer me openly



mr nobody, why would i say things against burqa system or killing assholes like u are bullshit?? ha ha don't say anything anymore. i have been answering ur dumb questions so where am i hiding?? instead u are hinding behind ur mama isn't it?. u are just trying to make some answers to just retaliate. so just do better things than such a waste of ur energy.

yeah the prayers generally are just to god in the schools, so it doen't mean that it has to be any idol in particular or jesus. ur level of knowledge is going down the drain. :)

shit in my pants?? please this is just the final confirmation that u are just some bastard who hasn't a single clue what he is up to.

speak to me directly. don't bring in india1989 in this. ask me. what were ur questions and what haven't i answered? when i answer. u try to avoid it and look for some mistakes to continue the argument. :mad: u are pathetic. sometimes it is strange that i feel pity on u. hmmph very ironic.

[miqsh]

Few more questions :

What is with Pigs, dogs and apes, why did Allah create them if the disliked them so much?

What is with Satan? did Allah create Satan (his own enemy?)

How can a creator of the Universe dislike his own creation?If Allah did not create them, surely there is some other creator also and sure Allah has some competition. Hence he does not likes partners?

Why after more than 1450 years Allah could not make the world Dar ul islam. Seems a very weak deity? They claim that he created the universe in 7 days and he could not make the world Dar ul islam in 1450 years?

ha ha ha


he created them to test the limits of the mankind. he wanted the people to learn self control. he wanted them to pass the test in this world. allah the almighty doesn't hate his creations. but will hate them if they are against him. it is like slapping ur mother a 100 times. will u do that?? who knows u just might. :p

[sunilkumar]

Below is my opinion on member of this forum depending on their opinion on issue of Religion.

[1] About India1989, he is Indian who give more importance to country (mother land) than religion caste etc., he think that Hindu are also terrorist. He believe that to be neutral means we should say against Hindu also to satisfy Muslim like congress party or Samajwadi Party….:D he he he.
Sumo for your information Naxalites is not only Hindu people, they are from every caste and religion they are economically backward. For Naxal our politician are responsible, nearly period of 60 year has over after our independence but politician has done nothing for those people, naxal are not fighting to save Hindu religion. They are been made by politician.

[2] About Mishq he is Muslim who give more importance to his religion more than his country, who believes ladeen and sadam were fighting for sake of saving Muslim religion which is totally wrong. He doesn’t know about any other religion other than some what Islam. I think he can’t read other religion coz he is Muslim and if he read he is going in hell not in heaven ;). Mishq I don’t want to target you but the way you had written shows this only.
See if dog Bites you don’t have to bite dog. If we know anything about our religion that can be improve we have to tell that openly and we have to accept the fact.

[3] About Rohit he is Hindu who is least bother about Hindu or Muslim he is interested in his nation, for him religion is not of importance but he hate fundamentalist of any religion. Personally he is very flexible, but the way he says difficult to tolerate by Muslims people, he had said some thing which is noticeable… people can understand.
“I call sati and bigamy bullshit. You (muslim) have the guts to call killing of non believers as recommended by your religion bullshit?? Do u have the guts to call burkha system bullshit?”

[4] About Adil he is Pakistani he don’t know about Indian Constitution, difficult to trust him … he he he …:D any way he is some what good in justifying Islam with maturity, mishq has to learn something from him other than being terrorist… :D. See Misqh I am not telling you terrorist but you don’t know Pakistani they can do brain washing in name of religion so please be aware of him…

[5] About Kamal he know what is written in Quran so he can put verses here on forum, up till now he had not got an idea or proper justification about that verses. Some one has to explain it in proper way, other wise image of Muslim religion will not be nice in his brain and he will project it in bad way only like jerk…I hope some day some Muslim will explain him properly about Muslim religion.

[6] About Myself (Sunilkumar) for me my country is important, yea I am Hindu. It’s Difficult to change my religion coz I had seen communal riot in my city. I have Muslim friend but in time of communal riot I can’t trust them. I am like Rohit in matter of belief; I can screw any god that can be of hindu, muslim Christian etc. But I know people those who don’t know exact meaning of GOD will be hurt by this.

You must be thinking why I can’t trust Muslim in communal riot, I do have some Muslim friend they told me at the time of riot don’t come in our area coz at time we are mad and even if we are not mad other Muslim brothers are mad they will kill you we will not be able to save you. Personally I had saved 3 family Muslim at time of communal riot, Its very difficult to save some one in those circumstance, even person to whom you are saving they do have doubt on you. We cannot fight against mad mob we have to hide people from mob to whom we have to save.

As far Vandematram it is a national song, if any one will sing this song that never means he is praying other religion, and If Muslim thinks that it is other religion than its very shameful, If Vandematram is against any religion or not correct then why it was consider as nation song from last 100 years.

Vademataram is national song… not a prayer it’s respect to mother land, which is more important then religion & those who think religion is more important that mother land they should not stay in my country, they can be Hindu Muslim Christian Sikh etc. any dam ass holes.

Few Fact Muslim Sheik from Arab comes here in Hyderabad they marry with some Muslim girl they will enjoy with them for 1-2 week, then they go back to their country and never comes back, they never give right of wife to that Indian girl, this what I had seen… In news channel few days back.

Mishq was shouting for Saudi Arab (Ladeen and Sadam) on one issue on this forum but he is Indian, now mishq forget about our religion Hindu Muslim etc and see what that Arabic are doing with Indian Muslim girls. Is this Muslim religion is all about?
Muslim girls are not getting good Muslim boy here in India, why the hell they are going for Muslim from other country?

Mishq I am hindu…. you know I was staying with one guy called Aftab hope by name you can understand he is Muslim he was in love with Hindu girl, I supported him when I was in delhi and few days back he married that girl. Now he is married but his family had not accepted that girl as daughter in law, for love gal went against all his religion and every one & you know its required guts… now that guy is not even earning properly the girl is earning and taking care of that guy. Even Girl has to do abortion coz the guy is not earning …who will look after kid. We think it’s easy but fact is money is important money don’t have any religion. Mishq I hope you got an idea that religion is least important when we don’t have money.

Give me Money I can start communal riot….
I am good enough to screw happiness of every GOD and their follower.

[1] My Religion cannot be better, if I show other religion as bad religion.
[2] I am not fool like M F Hussain who creates any goddesses nude.
[3] I am not fool like Danish Cartoonist who created picture of Allah.
[4] I am not fool like POP recently who gave some statement against Islam.
[5] I am not like Kamal. But by being neutral, I will like to know many things about Islam … that can be good or bad any thing.
[6] For India (my mother land) any thing I can do…I can screw any God.
[7] I do have brain, I can only understand any issue if it is properly justify with some reason and logic
[8] Difficult to make me terrorist in name of religion now.
[9] Difficult to believe about heaven and hell.
[10] Difficult to change my own religion at any cost. I can't do anything about it, I was born in that religion.

Hello... GOD your position is not secured…. some day some one will kick you Out from that position....
Any way i have taken your(i.e. GOD) eyes, I can understand your (i.e. God) position....

Unseen GOD is Great... (Thanks for giving me your eyes).
Its me Sunilkumar…

[miqsh]

well maybe i do argue a lot about religion. but come on, i am not bad enough to do what the sheikh had done. this is about a muslim who takes women for granted. i am an indian. about the somewhat of quran, maybe u are partly right. i don't know all of the quran. but what i know a little bit is absolutely true.

i am not a fundamentalist or a fanatic of islam. i just can't see those poor people subjected to insults and stuff when many of them don't deserve it.
u are directly accusing them for others mistakes. if there are mistakes in the peoples' choices then it doen't for god sake islam doesn't have anything to do with countless amount in the death toll. just because a useless asshole like veerapan was a good for nothing thief, doesn't mean that he was any ways connected to u anyway other than the fact that he was an indian and that he was a man of ur religion. so i am not accusing u for his actions. i am not asking u what the hell does ur religion teach and ask to follow.

how can u have muslim friends when u don't trust them at all. for being friends there are some general rules. if they are not satisfied he is just a fellow who happens to meet u often and just talk a lot. simple

maybe u think that child marriage or polygamy was wrong. but did anyone think that there wasn't cases like that in india? just because the prophet was an important person and that he was against some things doesn't make him the worst guy that could occur on this planet.

i never said that islam as the best religion to convince u of my ideas .

as for vande mataram people do have to have their choices. this is not a national song. this is just a song on patriotism. so people must have their choices in this. when the indian constitution decided that india should be secular then they should have realized that there was a lot more than joining india. well for the comment u made my friend if all the muslims in inda were to see them then u are not going to have a good response from them. infact the most basic thing could be a riot or two.

the only thing that separates us muslims from others is bowing to none other than allah. so if we were to violate such an important and a basic rule such as that then there isn't a reliigion such as islam in india then. if u respect our rules and our wishes then we are ready to be a part of the joy and happiness in india. if not then maybe the muslims really should not be a part of india as it seems. i am not intending to divide india on this basis. but if things were to get out of hand and the reason why pakistan shall succeed in their goal to divide india is because even people in india think that muslims are a burden to them. remember all the muslims look up to india and respect it but not servile enough to be on their knees.

[sunilkumar]

Miqsh you said if u respect our rules and our wishes then we are ready to be a part of the joy and happiness in India. if not then maybe the Muslims really should not be a part of India as it seems. I am not intending to divide India on this basis. but if things were to get out of hand and the reason why Pakistan shall succeed in their goal to divide India is because even people in India think that Muslims are a burden to them. … I will say if you (Muslim) think that Vandematram is a prayer of some other religion than other Non-Muslim Indian will think Muslims are burden.

Miqsh you said if u respect our rules and our wishes then we are ready to be a part of the joy and happiness in india. ..
what do you mean by this..? Do we are not allowing you to pray your Allah?...

you had wrong perception about your religion… read Quran properly, It is written Paradise is below leg of mother… India is mother land… and on judgment day every once good and bad deeds will be measured do decide are they eligible to get paradise or not. I am sorry to say your most of Mullah are not teaching properly Quran. Otherwise things would have been different. My request to Mullah is please interpret things written in Quran in proper way, so that other can understand it in properway.

Miqsh You know how human bombs (suicidal Squad) are created… their brain washing is done by saying them that fight for you motherland in name of Allah you will get paradise….

See my nation is not because of me, I am because of my nation. Where ever I will go all are going to call me Indian. If you think that Indian is gali (Bad word) then we can’t do anything. You don’t have to always crib that we don’t get this and that right in India, Muslim do have all rights.

Miqsh Vandematram is a National Song.... :)
Vadematram you said its personal choice.. Ok it should be personal choice but not a choice of Community to decide it should be sing or not. School have some rules and regulation & in school when child sings this song they try to find it out what is meaning of this song which clearly show that it is patriotic song, which make them good citizen of India and they get patriotic feeling for India. In India Religion is personal keep that in your house, don’t bring them in public.

You already said you don’t know much about Quran it will be better try to read it in proper way by being neutral. You will get GOD, and if you will read other things like bible, Geeta, khalsa etc. then also you will get GOD. But interpret it in proper way other wise you will end up like kamal.

Miqsh you asked me how can u have muslim friends when u don't trust them at all. For being friends there are some general rules.

See Friendships just happen that is not in our control, we (friends) don’t kill each other at time of communal riot, but at time of riot, If any things goes wrong if I am with him(Muslim friend) then also that will be black spot on friendship and on my friend, my community will say he(myself) was with his Muslim friend and they killed him… fact is my friend will not kill me but you don’t know mob, my only friend can’t protect me at that time and you know mob will say to my friend kill me or they will kill him. ..You are very kid in this matter. Trust is always their but no friends are in that position to help each other. See brother I had seen riot, so I don’t believe in any specific religion. Religions never teach us to kill our own friend. See smart Muslim friend say this … at the time of riot don’t come in our area coz at time we are mad and even if we are not mad other Muslim brothers are mad they will kill you we will not be able to save you…
It’s a personal experience. … Miqsh … Hope you understand.

Miqsh only politician create communal riot no one else.

See after communal riot of Ahmedabad I don’t believe in any religion and my Muslim friend has started strictly following his Muslim religion….:D ha ha ha…. I had seen world with different angle and he has seen world in different angle at time of riot.

Miqsh some more guideline, in communal riot we must be careful of our personal enemy, of our own religion he may kill us and it will be said that some one of other religion had killed you.

I was burn by hot milk, now I will blow air on butter milk to drink it.

Miqsh it’s unnecessary to explain anyone any thing on religion. People are blindly attached with religion, they will read Quran, Geeta, Ramayan, Khalasa etc. but they are not able to interpret things written in it in proper way.

One thing more I want to say …. no one is doing charity by becoming a part of India as a citizen of this country, bloody they don’t have any fucking choice to go anywhere they know when they go out of India they are fucked by every one… in India only every one shouts Hindu Muslim Christian etc… what happen to them when they are some were else in other country why they are like mouse and scared… when they return back to India they say ,,, thank god I am back to India, It was so horrible in that land… they were screwing my happiness…..

Forget about division of India… It will be dream only…..

I already said [1] My Religion cannot be better, if I show other religion as bad religion.

Miqsh Religion is not above Mother Land.

Religion is with region

It’s me an Indian.
Sunilkumar

[rohit khaitan]

mr nobody, why would i say things against burqa system or killing assholes like u are bullshit?? ha ha don't say anything anymore. i have been answering ur dumb questions so where am i hiding?? instead u are hinding behind ur mama isn't it?. u are just trying to make some answers to just retaliate. so just do better things than such a waste of ur energy.

yeah the prayers generally are just to god in the schools, so it doen't mean that it has to be any idol in particular or jesus. ur level of knowledge is going down the drain. :)

shit in my pants?? please this is just the final confirmation that u are just some bastard who hasn't a single clue what he is up to.

speak to me directly. don't bring in india1989 in this. ask me. what were ur questions and what haven't i answered? when i answer. u try to avoid it and look for some mistakes to continue the argument. :mad: u are pathetic. sometimes it is strange that i feel pity on u. hmmph very ironic.


You still didnt answer me. Come on answer me. You again did what people of your religion typically do. Abuse, curse shout at whosoever challenges ur beliefs. You dont have anything to justify your actions and practises.

How do u justify burqa system? how do u justify bigamy, how do u justify halal, how do u justify killing of non believers of islam? how do u justify claim of taj mahal by muslim personal law board as their property. how do u justify??

Either say its wrong. or have the ability to debate these topics with me. but u wont do either. you will hurl another set of abuses at me. Because i am forcing you to think. And thinking is prohibited in your religious superstitions.

The very fact that you are getting so pissed off and angry shows that you have nothing to say and u dont like the fact that someone questions ur ideas. you are behaving like an escaptist.

[Adil Memon]

Mr. Rohit there is a simple statement for people like you.

"There is no one in the world that can teach anyone who doesn't want to learn."

I had been observing your tone since the very beginning and disappointed from your rude expression, I chose not to fall into the quagmire of dirt. I have the answers to all your questions, but I don't have that much time to waste on an unruly inquirer.

Mr. Sunil, I apologize, we could not carry on this discussion for long. I am falling short of time and my university sessions has recommenced. If life holds me tight, i'll be back here at some day of my life. Let me tell you, you're a nice guy.

Take Care.

Peace on all of you!

Regards,

[miqsh]

You still didnt answer me. Come on answer me. You again did what people of your religion typically do. Abuse, curse shout at whosoever challenges ur beliefs. You dont have anything to justify your actions and practises.

How do u justify burqa system? how do u justify bigamy, how do u justify halal, how do u justify killing of non believers of islam? how do u justify claim of taj mahal by muslim personal law board as their property. how do u justify??

Either say its wrong. or have the ability to debate these topics with me. but u wont do either. you will hurl another set of abuses at me. Because i am forcing you to think. And thinking is prohibited in your religious superstitions.

The very fact that you are getting so pissed off and angry shows that you have nothing to say and u dont like the fact that someone questions ur ideas. you are behaving like an escaptist.


maybe i was a fool to engage u to speak with me. or u cannot read english at all since i had just answered every question of urs. :)

so u can call me a coward it doesn't matter. u are just another dog to be cast away. go ahead make a propaganda that i have given up on a fool like u. :)

and for ur information, islam is the worst choice in my life. i won't approach or make one comment on this topic henceforth for the fear of meeting morons like urself. and also don't consider ur religion any worth. it is worse than mine. ha no proofs to any of ur religions either. :D :D

[miqsh]

Miqsh you said if u respect our rules and our wishes then we are ready to be a part of the joy and happiness in India. if not then maybe the Muslims really should not be a part of India as it seems. I am not intending to divide India on this basis. but if things were to get out of hand and the reason why Pakistan shall succeed in their goal to divide India is because even people in India think that Muslims are a burden to them. … I will say if you (Muslim) think that Vandematram is a prayer of some other religion than other Non-Muslim Indian will think Muslims are burden.

Miqsh you said if u respect our rules and our wishes then we are ready to be a part of the joy and happiness in india. ..
what do you mean by this..? Do we are not allowing you to pray your Allah?...

you had wrong perception about your religion… read Quran properly, It is written Paradise is below leg of mother… India is mother land… and on judgment day every once good and bad deeds will be measured do decide are they eligible to get paradise or not. I am sorry to say your most of Mullah are not teaching properly Quran. Otherwise things would have been different. My request to Mullah is please interpret things written in Quran in proper way, so that other can understand it in properway.

Miqsh You know how human bombs (suicidal Squad) are created… their brain washing is done by saying them that fight for you motherland in name of Allah you will get paradise….

See my nation is not because of me, I am because of my nation. Where ever I will go all are going to call me Indian. If you think that Indian is gali (Bad word) then we can’t do anything. You don’t have to always crib that we don’t get this and that right in India, Muslim do have all rights.

Miqsh Vandematram is a National Song.... :)
Vadematram you said its personal choice.. Ok it should be personal choice but not a choice of Community to decide it should be sing or not. School have some rules and regulation & in school when child sings this song they try to find it out what is meaning of this song which clearly show that it is patriotic song, which make them good citizen of India and they get patriotic feeling for India. In India Religion is personal keep that in your house, don’t bring them in public.

You already said you don’t know much about Quran it will be better try to read it in proper way by being neutral. You will get GOD, and if you will read other things like bible, Geeta, khalsa etc. then also you will get GOD. But interpret it in proper way other wise you will end up like kamal.

Miqsh you asked me how can u have muslim friends when u don't trust them at all. For being friends there are some general rules.

See Friendships just happen that is not in our control, we (friends) don’t kill each other at time of communal riot, but at time of riot, If any things goes wrong if I am with him(Muslim friend) then also that will be black spot on friendship and on my friend, my community will say he(myself) was with his Muslim friend and they killed him… fact is my friend will not kill me but you don’t know mob, my only friend can’t protect me at that time and you know mob will say to my friend kill me or they will kill him. ..You are very kid in this matter. Trust is always their but no friends are in that position to help each other. See brother I had seen riot, so I don’t believe in any specific religion. Religions never teach us to kill our own friend. See smart Muslim friend say this … at the time of riot don’t come in our area coz at time we are mad and even if we are not mad other Muslim brothers are mad they will kill you we will not be able to save you…
It’s a personal experience. … Miqsh … Hope you understand.

Miqsh only politician create communal riot no one else.

See after communal riot of Ahmedabad I don’t believe in any religion and my Muslim friend has started strictly following his Muslim religion….:D ha ha ha…. I had seen world with different angle and he has seen world in different angle at time of riot.

Miqsh some more guideline, in communal riot we must be careful of our personal enemy, of our own religion he may kill us and it will be said that some one of other religion had killed you.

I was burn by hot milk, now I will blow air on butter milk to drink it.

Miqsh it’s unnecessary to explain anyone any thing on religion. People are blindly attached with religion, they will read Quran, Geeta, Ramayan, Khalasa etc. but they are not able to interpret things written in it in proper way.

One thing more I want to say …. no one is doing charity by becoming a part of India as a citizen of this country, bloody they don’t have any fucking choice to go anywhere they know when they go out of India they are fucked by every one… in India only every one shouts Hindu Muslim Christian etc… what happen to them when they are some were else in other country why they are like mouse and scared… when they return back to India they say ,,, thank god I am back to India, It was so horrible in that land… they were screwing my happiness…..

Forget about division of India… It will be dream only…..

I already said [1] My Religion cannot be better, if I show other religion as bad religion.

Miqsh Religion is not above Mother Land.

Religion is with region

It’s me an Indian.
Sunilkumar


well u are a peculiar case but the same nut in the same tree like that of rohit. i just told rohit that i have given up. now just don't think that just because u are just some college student and that are much mature like soumo told u. only rohit asks bluntly and u beat around the bush and have a lot of sarcasm. u aren't either good at deciphering or understanding quran okay.so stop worrying about islam. because instead of pointing at the fire which is burning at our pants why don't u look into ur own fires?? :D i would say that such a thing as vande mataram is crap. it is good for nothing which has nothing to do with ur life or helps me out. hell with that. i can see that u would be boiling with anger. ha ha. with ur arguments u can even convince a patriot to be an asshole of a terrorist. :D to hell with u guys and hope that maybe i might be there to meet u there. i am not going to the religion forum hereafter since u would wait for some more crap from me and u add more crap to fill up the spaces wouldn't u?? ha ha. hell with u guys.
bye

[sunilkumar]

This was Exclusive for Miqsh

I was & I am good enough to save muslim in time of communal riot.

Miqsh I know you will not be able to save any hindu at time of communal riot. Even my community people say that ==> don't trust people like Miqsh. You will not be able to set example that we can trust you.... I don't even expect from you.

You can Crib for ladeen and sadam bloody ass holes who had screwed all muslim community..... The day Pakistan will win match against India you will celebrate with fireworks.... You called me blundering fool see in mirror you will know you are govern by Satan not by Allah... you are not able to justify what ever you had said ... better learn something from ADIL about your religion, Its really sad you (miqsh) are part of India. I can assure you miqsh Adil will make you Muslim and same time terrorist also.

I know Miqsh People like you can become terrorists to save your religion at the end they die on words of some Satan ... but you can't be Indian. Because of people like you only, Islam have bad name in India and globally.

Miqsh Islam khatrey may hai ... :D .... that what you see and I am telling you Islam is in danger .... Now save it. Kill all other community ... let see how many you can kill and get paradise.... It’s easy to start communal riot coz people like you exist in India.

Miqsh I am far better in understanding Quran, I am not govern by your Fatwa...:D which mullahs generate for their own purpose by taking money. People Like you will go in hell coz you were not able to understand your Quran itself and govern by some jerk Mullahs... You don’t have brain, your brain is been ruled by mullahs.... I am not been governed by my Dharma Guru... See I had given you more knowledge but your eyes are still closed..... Bloody you were doing suicide I saved your life....

Salman Rushdie was Muslim not of my Religion, people like you all came with bang on him, is it so you don't have right to speak in Quran?

Many People are trying to teach me religion ...:D on this forum and now you ass hole got an Idea that I can't be Muslim .... Try some thing else baby.

The difference between You and Rohit.

He is Indian and You are Only Muslim.
He can die for India and you can die for Muslim only they can be of any where.
He can critics about wrong thing in his own religion and your eyes has been closed by some idiot Satan(Muhalls) which cannot see Reality.
You are communal People like you don't deserve to stay in India.
Miqsh Go in Jamat and learn something good about your religion, and if you don't get good teacher then also I assure you that you will be Muslim but so called terrorist....

Now don't Ask me what is Jaamat .... You are Muslim you should know.

For you Vandematram is a Crap, coz for you India is not your motherland, why the hell you are crying go in some land where there is Muslim rule hope you can be loyal to them...

Jo desh(MA) ka nahi huaa, kisi ka kya hoga ... Miqsh Islam is in danger save it .... :D your God is not power full to save himself... Please kill every one for Judgment Day.

Please some one help Islam It is in danger….
Its my Voice Sunilkumar

[sunilkumar]

Miqsh and Adil ... I am very honest and I can see that no one from muslim community was able to answer Rohit's question.

Miqsh Rohit is correct when ever he had asked any question... you go out of context and you reply irrelevant thing like stupid..

Sorry to say but this way you can not justify Islam is only true religion.

Adil, Rohit is citizen of democratic India he is not citizen of any country which is been ruled by dictator, so he critics very bluntly about his own and any other religion... I can say He don't want to learn Islam, the day he will get answer of his question everything will be fine b'coz he is not religious.. try to answer his question with some logic that will be good for your religion only...

Other wise Miqsh has to do suicide ...:D ha ha ha ...

Adil Please Teach some thing To miqsh about Islam he dont know anything about quran... how islam deal with such muslim?

[Playboy2]

Miqsh you said if u respect our rules and our wishes then we are ready to be a part of the joy and happiness in India. … Miqsh Desh per A-saan kar rahaa hai kya?

I will say if you (Muslim) think that Vandematram is a prayer of some other religion than other Non-Muslim Indian will think Muslims are burden. … This is true

Miqsh you said if you respect our rules and our wishes then we are ready to be a part of the joy and happiness in india. ..
what do you mean by this..? Do we are not allowing you to pray your Allah?... even I want to know this from miqsh

My request to Mullah is please interpret things written in Quran in proper way, so that other can understand it in proper way… I totally agree with this word.

Miqsh I read all your post & I can say you are a same case and same nut in the same tree like that of Muslim fundamentalist those who are terrorist. You can’t stand against Indian so you told rohit that you had given up yea rohit asks bluntly, Rohit and sunilkumar both are Indian but you are just ass hole Muslim who is not even good at deciphering or understanding Quran. Sweet heart start worrying about Islam because your ass is burning now you are not able to protect your religion. I would say that such a thing as vande mataram is crap for you coz you will eat shit of Pakistani they are your god father you are their puppet, you will give your daughter to Arabian and Pakistani who will screw your daughter and leave them in hell without giving right of wife, and your religious head will shut his mouth by taking money. I can see that u would be boiling with anger. ha ha :D. with your arguments you seems like joker call your saviors to answer question of kamal and rohit miqsh don’t come at this forum hereafter since u would not be able to reply question raised against your religion… Or you can wait for some more crap hell with u Miqsh. I am always in heaven …..

vande mataram is a national song as declared by our constitution. If you can’t respect the constitution of this country go and live in a country run by religious leaders. Not in a democratic country like India.

And yes muslim women want burqas? Then why does you have to issue a fatwa on tasleema nasrin and sania mirza. Let them decide what they want to wear. And your mullah are nobody to decide on anyone. It’s the decision of the courts and law in the country that matters. Not you’re fucking religious bull shit. Why M F Hussain paints nude Goddesses they can’t see your god nude ha ha ha they are always in bhurka …:D. They can’t be an inspiration to them… Why the hell Muslim models and Actress are not coming under fatwa… :D Why only Sania and Tasleema?

True Words of Rohit ==> “its your choice if u want to have more then one wife because you are Muslim. Fine. Will u let your wife have four husbands?? is that ok brother (Miqsh & Adil). Adil Now the ratio of men in the country is more then women. So your wife should have an extra husband right…. I guess that’s fine with u. Other wise some men will become public property. Right. (You know that’s why I call u bull shit)”

Few Unanswered questions of kamal ==>

What is with Pigs, dogs and apes, why did Allah create them if the disliked them so much?

What is with Satan? did Allah create Satan (his own enemy?)

How can a creator of the Universe dislike his own creation?If Allah did not create them, surely there is some other creator also and sure Allah has some competition. Hence he does not likes partners?

Why after more than 1450 years Allah could not make the world Dar ul islam. Seems a very weak deity? They claim that he created the universe in 7 days and he could not make the world Dar ul islam in 1450 years? ... ha ha ha...

Miqsh will you like to shit on this thread.... I am waiting for it

Miqsh One suggestion go and learn how to behave properly.... that is also written in Quran ;)

[rohit khaitan]

Mishq i told u that your reaction will be that of an escapist. Adil and you chose not to debate on any of the questions that i asked you.

And yes adil i repeat i am not here to learn from you. Because if you want to teach me something you have to first logically put your own thoughts. You have to first convince me that you are cabable of teaching.

So come on debate with me and proove your points.

But your typically chose to run away. Is thinking prohibited in islam????

[Puneet Sood]

I do not know much about Islam, but the way in which the followers of Islam behave is very irrational. I will certainly like to ask that if all people are equal in the eyes of Islam then what was the cause of justifying the system of making people slaves. Please note that during the period of dark ages in Europe from 5th century to 14th or 15th century it was sin to speak against God or christianity. It was during this period the Islam flourished but after protestants came the people started to think and which led to the developments in various sciences, arts and other facets of life.
Although european people can not bail out of accusions of the making the other people slaves (africans)or killing a lot of people but they have laid a foundation stone to modern developments which has led to improvement in the life of general mass.
In India, Hindus also had a lot of evil customs, there have been people who have tried to stop them.
But sadly when it comes to Islam, we hardly learn about the improvement. Even if any one is trying to remove the impendiments from the life of people, he will have to justify it in light of Islam otherwise it is unislamic.
But what the muslims forget that Quran was written in 6th or 7th century. Situations have changed a lot since then. You can not find all the answers to modern problems in Quran. just as the Darwin found that the world was not made in 7 days or 8 but billions of years have made it so. The same thing was not written in Bible for him.
Every age has its own values and assumptions. But the regious people try to impliment the solutions of one age into another, this is where they go wrong.

[Neo]

Question is do the followers of a relegion have the guts to question what is wrong in their relegion before others do that creating a rift between the two relegions?
for eg., the practice of sati and child marriage was prevalent in hindus before intellectuals like Raja Rammohan Roy challenged it. I am sure if hindus would have closed a blind eye to this and if this practise was rampant even today, western society would have pointed fingers at this malpractise. What should have been the response? Should we have said - this is what we have been practising since centuries and if u oppose it u are crusading against our relegion? Would that be correct approach?
The crux of the matter is house cleaning.
Islam or Hinduism or Christanity or any other relegion has lot of good things and a few bad ones. What is unfortunate is the reluctance of the followers to give up the bad things. The order of this reluctance is Islam, Hindu, Catholics in decreasing order.
If muslims continue to follow word by word what Quran says or what the Mullah's interpret it to say for them, they will only make people against them giving the Mullah's further strength in classifying these oppositions as oppressions.
Turing a blind eye to the evils in one's relegion will not cure it. Not every word in Quran is unquestionable. You just need the guts to do it. But if u fear that by doing so you will miss out on the chance of heaven, be sure you will make life hell on earth for urself and others.
Same holds for Hindus. How many people follow whats written in Geeta. How many don't cheat, lie or are not dishonest. Does Geeta say that the hindus are high or low caste. Does it forbid marraige between a brahmin and a shudra? does it say at any point that kill small kids of another religion( gujarat riots).
Truth is we are not following hinduism either we are following what we see others around us following- a twisted form of hinduism sick with malpractices and evils.
We try to hide it by putting saffron on our foreheads and ringing the bells in a temple.
Be it muslims or hindus or christians we are all too busy basking in the glory of our relegions to realise our follies.

[Playboy2]

Hey Every one should watch this movie.....

Davinci code

which shows how religion was use to exploit human race ... which was used by king to rule their kingdom...

Their is no difference between King and dictators... :D

Most of people are still living in stone age and trying to change religion or other human being ...:D

[Ghost_Rider]

Slay the unbelievers wherever you catch them. (2:191)
Fight them, until there is no more dissent and religion is that of Allah (2:193)
The vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve. (8:55)
Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers (3:28)
I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their fingertips off them (8:12)
Verily, the unbelievers are najis [unclean]. (9:28)

You have the guts to call killing of non believers as recommended by your religion bullshit?? Do u have teh guts to call burqa system bullshit?

go to the link.we don't believe in killing non-believers.asfor Burkha ,its upto women.I don't want Burkha to be forced upon though.
http://www.load-islam.com/artical_det.php?artical_id=414&section=wel_islam&subsection=Misconceptions

What of our other term, "Islam"? It too has multiple meanings. In one sense, it denotes a religion--a system of belief, worship, doctrine, ideals, and ideas--that belongs to the family of monotheistic, scriptural religions that includes Judaism and Christianity. In another sense, it means the whole civilization that has grown up under the aegis of that religion: something like what is meant by the once-common term "Christendom."

When we in the West today talk of Christian art, we mean votive art, religious art. If we talk of Islamic art, however, we mean any art [End Page 53] produced by Muslims or even by non-Muslims within Islamic civilization. Indeed, one can still speak of Islamic astronomy and Islamic chemistry and Islamic mathematics, meaning astronomy, chemistry, and mathematics produced under the aegis of Islamic civilization. There is no corresponding "Christian" astronomy or chemistry or mathematics.

Each of these terms, Islam in the sense of a religion and Islam in the sense of a civilization, is itself subject to many variations. If we talk about Islam as a historical phenomenon, we are speaking of a community that now numbers more than a billion people, most of whom are spread along a vast arc stretching almost 10,000 miles from Morocco to Mindanao; that has a 14-century-long history; and that is the defining characteristic of the 53 sovereign states that currently belong to the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC). For obvious reasons, it is extremely difficult (though not impossible) to make any kind of valid generalization about a reality of such age, size, and complexity.

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/blewis.htm

define Islam first.

[rohit khaitan]

I checked ur links. Well I hope it is all a translation error as u claim it.

But we cant ignore the fact that terroism is carried out all across the world in the name of jehad. And it is this error in translation that is the cause of the same. Dont u think u people should correct urself immediately?

And if women have the choice of wearing or not wearing burqa why sania mirza was openly criticized by ur religious heads? Why imrana is being forced to marry his father in law by ur religious leaders, after he raped her?

I was watching a debate on a news channel recently on the veil system in islam. Shabana Azmi was being openly targeted by ur religion heads. And she was being told that if she would not show her face she would go out of business. So she s not carrying her self out modestly?? Hows wearing a veil a sign of modesty? i fail to understand.

Nobody is against islam or why would I or anybody care in what u believe. When ur beliefs start affecting and interefering in the lives of others, they feel threatened.

You follow quran or prophet or anybody else. Why would i care. The only concern of people who r not muslim is that if u live in a society u also have responsibilities to that country and u should open ur selves up to accept atleast some basic norms of the society. That includes the law of the land.

IF high court gives some directives on imrana. You religious heads should have respected it. Your muslim presonal law board have no right to claim taj mahal on the grounds that it was built by a muslim ruler. Taj mahal is the property of India and indian muslims are also a part of it. You are not separate from India that u should claim it ur personal property.

Why so many local muslims support the activities of pakistan in India?? The day u will embrace the country or the society u live in whole heartedly no one will care what religion u practise. The real cause of contention is not ur religion but the way u practise it. And the way it interefers with the law of land and fundamental rights a person gets in any country.

If u have noble thoughts in islam its fine. Its also ur responsibility to practise it nobly. So that we really get to learn something from u instead of feeling threatened by you.

[rohit khaitan]

I checked ur links. Well I hope it is all a translation error as u claim it.

But we cant ignore the fact that terroism is carried out all across the world in the name of jehad. And it is this error in translation that is the cause of the same. Dont u think u people should correct urself immediately?

And if women have the choice of wearing or not wearing burqa why sania mirza was openly criticized by ur religious heads? Why imrana is being forced to marry his father in law by ur religious leaders, after he raped her?

I was watching a debate on a news channel recently on the veil system in islam. Shabana Azmi was being openly targeted by ur religion heads. And she was being told that if she would not show her face she would go out of business. So she s not carrying her self out modestly?? Hows wearing a veil a sign of modesty? i fail to understand.

Nobody is against islam or why would I or anybody care in what u believe. When ur beliefs start affecting and interefering in the lives of others, they feel threatened.

You follow quran or prophet or anybody else. Why would i care. The only concern of people who r not muslim is that if u live in a society u also have responsibilities to that country and u should open ur selves up to accept atleast some basic norms of the society. That includes the law of the land.

IF high court gives some directives on imrana. You religious heads should have respected it. Your muslim presonal law board have no right to claim taj mahal on the grounds that it was built by a muslim ruler. Taj mahal is the property of India and indian muslims are also a part of it. You are not separate from India that u should claim it ur personal property.

Why so many local muslims support the activities of pakistan in India?? The day u will embrace the country or the society u live in whole heartedly no one will care what religion u practise. The real cause of contention is not ur religion but the way u practise it. And the way it interefers with the law of land and fundamental rights a person gets in any country.

If u have noble thoughts in islam its fine. Its also ur responsibility to practise it nobly. So that we really get to learn something from u instead of feeling threatened by you.

[EyeOnTheWall]

OK so some people here are trying to clarify that Islam is a religion of peace and harmony and the verses in Quran regarding killing non-Muslims are against those who are oppressors and/or wage wars against Muslims. But how does that explain the actions of Muslim conquerors in India who in the name of Islam waged aggression against Indians unwarrantedly?

What I've gathered is that traditionally Muslims believe their religion and way of life is representative of true justice, peace and everything good. And anything other than it is oppressive and fit to be waged a war against. No matter if whoever they wage a war against has attacked them or not.

Or else how do you explain these terms which divide the world into categories according to Islam? :-

Dar-Al-Islam (House of Peace) :- A place where Islam rules everyone

Dar-Al-Harb (House of War):- A place where Islam doesn't rule so it's fit to be waged war against to establish Islam

Dar-Al-Hudna (House of Calm):- A place under truce. Residents of that place have to pay tribute to the Islamic aggressors in exchange for truce or else war resumes.

[Adil Memon]

As I said, I would come after some time, so I came.

And what do I see, this Mr. Sunil compelled by his bigotry and impaired eyesight calls me a BLOODY PAKISTANI WHO IS HERE TO BRAINWASH you people.

Mr. Sunil, you can go to hell. I am not at all concerned by the single person on earth, that's you.

I can easily answer the questions of Mr. Rohit, but he should try to understand the truth from my answers rather than pulling out new issues all the time. And he should learn the etiquettes of decent communication.

EyeOnTheWall: Every Muslim act does not reflect what Islam says. There are professing Muslims who do things that are prohibited in Islam.

To understand Islam one required intellect and enlightenment. Which some of the people here don't have. There's is a certain level of knack and aptitude required, of which, unfortunately Almight God has deprived some.

Regards,

[Adil Memon]

Yes... I don't think that this is an appropriate place to interact on the religious issues as I just get swarmed around by the bigots.

The ones who're interested to clear their minds can write me : adilmemon007 @ gmail.com.

Or they can even join my own forum for learning on religion: www.leadpakistan.com

Regards,

[rohit khaitan]

I feel like laughing on you now.

It took u 8 months to come back on a topic that u will be interested to disucss at 2 0 clock in the night if u had the answers.

And a typical reaction of urs. You dont care about Sunil and i do not know how to communicate. Ha ha... What about other people who asked questions on ur stupid practises?? You dont care for them too. Isnt it. Because some day u will become a suicide bomber and kill all of us and go to heaven by allahs grace and swim in a river of wine. :)

But u dont have answers to any question that i ask. Is thinking prohibited in Islam??

[sunilkumar]

Adil you said ==> "Mr. Sunil compelled by his bigotry and impaired eyesight calls me a BLOODY PAKISTANI.... "

Well you are pakistani and i had not said like bloody pakistani to you.... yea i had used hard language against misq but not against you but now you listen India is fighting against terrorism all terrorist come from your land... you can't be good for me .... you are bloody for me. The day you will clean pakistan from terrorist you will be happy and our coming generation... pleople are leaving in stone age in pakistan... it is a factory of terrorist...

I am Indian and i dont want to brain wash of any one on name of religion and I dont want to change their religion.... but yes i want all Indian should respect my mother land and those who can't do they should leave India,.... mother land comes first .....no body is as important as India (my country) for me... and if u call this as brain washing, then i will love to do that..;) ....

[Puneet Sood]

I feel like laughing on you now.

Is thinking prohibited in Islam??

The answer is perhaps big Yes.

Remember my dear,
Islam is perhaps the only faith in the world, which has not seen reforms.

Even on the discussion on the net on the religious forums they are discussing only this is haram, this is halal. Why do not they let inner conscience to decide?

Perhaps the biggest haram in Islam is to think!!!

[animefan]

hey people tell me why u think that islam is a bad religiion in india??

[rohit khaitan]

Lots of questions in this thread were raised. But none was answered logically or convincingly.

May be some muslim who understands this religion properly have any answers. I dont know if there is any such muslim but i hope there is one.

As for me i have not form an opinion yet. Still have a open mind. But want people here to remove the burqa from their mind and speak.

[Puneet Sood]

As the conditions constantly change in the social life, as well as in personal life, the faiths have been generally failed to cope with the conditions of today.
As there has been some efforts in other faiths to reform themselves, Islam has not seen any such reform.
You can not impose the conditions & solutions of one place, one time to all the places and all the times. The problems and solutions one particular era has been suggested by the founders of the faiths.
But it is for us to see that whether these solutions and problems are practical today or not. Unfortunately, the scholars of Islam have failed to do so.

[India1989]

To All Those Fucking Sunilkumar And Rohit Khaitan. You Called Yourself Secularist And Why The Fuck You Dissing Islam. You Fucking Hindus. I Am Ashamed Of Calling Myself A Hindu After Seeing You Guys Dissing Other Religions.

Don't You Illiterate Bastards Know That In Hinduism It Is Said To Respect Other Religions Too You Fucking Illiterate Motherfucking Bastards.

You Lost All The Respect You Gained From Me. You Are A Disgrace To India. You Fucking Assholes Don't You Know That Indians Have To Respect Every Religion Because Every Religion Is Indian You Fucking Assholes.

Don't You Have Any Respect For Other Why Dissing Islam. Islam Has No Evil Teachings. People Make Evil Stuffs.

How Would You Fucking Assholes Illiterate B Astards Feel If I Say That Sati Pratha Is A Rule In Hinduism. Doesn't That Make Us Feel Bad. But Was That Written In Hinduism You Dumb Fuckers.

Don't Even Diss Any Religion Becuase That Means U Are Dissings Indinas.

Fucking Rohit Khaitan And Sunil Kumar Go Die. Respect Others Bitches.

[India1989]

You Know What Fuck You Indians. You Guys Can Never Leave Peacefully. India Will Break Apart. Fuck All You Indians. Fight Among Yourself. You Will Die. Some Other Country Will Take Advantage Of You.

I Can't Believe I Sweared So Much. Man Sorry. I Can Never Make You Fools Understand. Never.

You Think Hindus And Muslims Do These Communal Riots. You Think Miqsh Will Go Running Killing Hindus And You Think I Will Go Running Killing Muslims.

BUT PEOPLE KEEP ONETHING IN MIND THAT I WILL GO AROUND KILLING PEOPLE WHO CREATE COMMUNAL RIOTS THE CORRUPT POLITICIANS WHO WANTS TO BREAK APART INDIA. PEOPLE WHO FIGHT IN THE NAME OF RELIGION AND PUT DOWN INDIA. NO WONDER INDIA NEVER PROGRESSES, THEY FIGHT AMONGST THEMSELVES. BUDDIES INDIA IS NOT ANY ORDINARY COUNTRY. IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND INDIA I THINK YOU SHOULD BETTER UNDERSTAND FAST. WE ARE DIVERSE AND WE REPSECT EVERY RELGIION.

HATE HOW YOU GUYS DISSED OF ISLAM. THIS BRINGS BAD NAME TO HINDUISM. DISS OF OTHER COUNTRIES NOT FELLOW INDIANS.

YOU LOSER WILL GO AROUND SYMPATHIZING WITH IRAQ WHEN US WARS THEM BUT YOU WON'T HELP YOUR FELLOW MUSLIM INDIANS. SHAME ON YOU. SHAME.

SORRY FOR SWEARING BUT I DON';T REGRET IT.

I AM A PURE NATIONALISTIC INDIAN AND DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT RELIGIONS. I WILL DIE FOR MY COUNTRY INDIA AND I AM READY TO FUCKING LEAVE MY RELIGION AND SPIT ON MY RELIGION IF THIS WILL SAVE MY COUNTRY. I DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT RELIGOIN

ALL I CARE IS ABOUT INDIA. INDIA ALL THE WAY. HOPEFULLY THIS DIVISION PERSISHES AND WE CAN LEAVE IN PEACE. ANYONE WHO WANTS TO BAN IF I AM BANNED I WILL COME BACK. I DON'T GIVE A DAMN

JAI HIND, GO INDIA. GOD BLESS INDIA

[India1989]

common people answer me. got any comebacks for me. all you fucking religious people let me see you talking shit about India.

come i will diss any religion needed. fuck you alll

all you non-indians. come come get some comebacks.

you don't know how much muslims have contributed to India.
It is because of people like you why India was divided.

freaking assholes.

[rohit khaitan]

india 1989 u have lost ur head. You are a kid. And ur posts above show it more clearly.

You can spit on ur religion for ur country, i can spit on my religion for my country. Ask ur freind if he can??

We asked some simple questions but didnt get any answers. Instead of swearing at me why dont u answer the questions i raised??

AS for Sati sytem that prevailed in hindus i already called it bullshit. We as a society discarded it. But did muslims in india discard burqa system yet??

I am not criticizing any religion. Who am i to criticize or applaud. I am asking simple questions. And getting no asnwers but a lot of curses for sure. Is asking questions banned in Islam??

[India1989]

india 1989 u have lost ur head. You are a kid. And ur posts above show it more clearly.

You can spit on ur religion for ur country, i can spit on my religion for my country. Ask ur freind if he can??

We asked some simple questions but didnt get any answers. Instead of swearing at me why dont u answer the questions i raised??

AS for Sati sytem that prevailed in hindus i already called it bullshit. We as a society discarded it. But did muslims in india discard burqa system yet??

I am not criticizing any religion. Who am i to criticize or applaud. I am asking simple questions. And getting no asnwers but a lot of curses for sure. Is asking questions banned in Islam??


Well rohit the genius, your questions would have been fine but your questions were done in an insulting way.

What if i say this "Why do Hindus suck?" something similar to that, i can't think of any and i am too tired to search all the posts.

Instead i can say "Don't you think the caste system should be abolished?" is a better way of asking.

If you think I am childish I don't give a damn. I don't give a damn of what people think. see who's stopping me now from talking. If i say something i hear things like you are childish. It's not like I am disgracing India. My point of swearing is this.

If Hindus and Muslims or in that case any other religion can not coexist peacefully they will curse each other like i did then people will intimidate others to fight like i did and then when a fight will break out, India will get divided again, but not into 2 countries but 400 different countries.

My message was to stop questioning religion. what's the point. They are living in India. Hasn't Sania Mirza made India proud, hasn't Indian president done a lot in sector of missile technology to help India and doesn't all other 140 million Indian muslims live in India and help Indian GDP grow. If they were all against India then India won't survive right now.

I just want to tell you that although I am childish I have enough sense to know that fights shouldn't happen amongst religious groups as that would be harmful for the country. learn from history.

Indians can ask US to stop fights against Iraq, but can't stop fighting amongst themselfes.

[rohit khaitan]

If u r too tired to find out how i insulted islam or any other religion then how come u r not tired to throw abuses at me????

I never advocated fights and i never said muslims dont contribute to the country. Neither did i downsize the achievements of so many muslims be in sports, politics or economy.

But u know what the world is not white and black. When there are good muslims and hindus there are also dirty ones.

My simple question was if i can accept that sati system or caste system or dowry system that prevailed in hindus is wrong then why cant some muslim members here accept that burqa system is wrong, and so are some many other teachings of islam that i raised questions on.??

No matter how much u shout or cry i will call a wrong a wrong and either u proove me wrong or shut up. Throwing abuses will not discourage me but encourage me further to expose the hollowness of this religion.

[India1989]

If u r too tired to find out how i insulted islam or any other religion then how come u r not tired to throw abuses at me????

I never advocated fights and i never said muslims dont contribute to the country. Neither did i downsize the achievements of so many muslims be in sports, politics or economy.

But u know what the world is not white and black. When there are good muslims and hindus there are also dirty ones.

My simple question was if i can accept that sati system or caste system or dowry system that prevailed in hindus is wrong then why cant some muslim members here accept that burqa system is wrong, and so are some many other teachings of islam that i raised questions on.??

No matter how much u shout or cry i will call a wrong a wrong and either u proove me wrong or shut up. Throwing abuses will not discourage me but encourage me further to expose the hollowness of this religion.

Buddy you wanna call something wrong, go ahead call something wrong. But please don't insult any religion. I won't discourage you. India is a democratic country and there's freedom of speech.

It's not that i throw around abuses all the time. This is probably the 1st time I am throwing abuses to someone who's not Chinese.

But ok rohit go ahead ask, i got no prob buddy, i was tired of throwing abuses and if you have read my posts carefully i had apologized for it.

I really didn't mean to throw abuses at you. I was in a bad mood and it came out.

if you still mind I am sorry. Now lets end this stupid fight and let's discuss peacefully.

if you don't mind hopefully we can stop arguing about this fight. I apologize, i am sorry.

now let's discuss stuffs.

so lets start with simple questions.

why do you think wearing Burqa is bad?

just a question, don't get all heated up. I will give my opinion too.

[Puneet Sood]

why do you think wearing Burqa is bad?

just a question, don't get all heated up. I will give my opinion too.

As a matter of fact, muslims are one of the most backword communities in the world. Any community is backward because it does not change itself according to time.
As the purdah system has put the immense restriction on the women. It is primerly because of that they can not go to school, get education and make herself and society educated. Certainly as some one has said, If you teach a boy you teach only one person, but if you teach a girl, you teach the whole family.
Moreover, keeping women or any person under chains in the name of modesty is wrong.
It is a common fact that women in islamic society are second class citizens. And purdah system is responsible for this.

[rohit khaitan]

In the modern society woman is contributing as much as man. She s in no way second to man. How do u expect a woman to work and interact with people wearing a burqa??

How will a person talking to her know whos he talking to. Can u trust somebody whos not even willing to show her face to u?? Can u have any personal or professional relationship with such a person??

So many terrorists, theifs and robbers, smugglers take advantage of burqa beause nobody knows whos behind it.

Now a simple question to u. If i ask u to wear a burqa whenever u go out or face a stranger. how will it feel?? Can u imagine such a life???

Ok now answer my questions. I would have appreciated if someone practising islam had answered it. But since u are so eager india1989. Why dont u explain??

[India1989]

In the modern society woman is contributing as much as man. She s in no way second to man. How do u expect a woman to work and interact with people wearing a burqa??

How will a person talking to her know whos he talking to. Can u trust somebody whos not even willing to show her face to u?? Can u have any personal or professional relationship with such a person??

So many terrorists, theifs and robbers, smugglers take advantage of burqa beause nobody knows whos behind it.

Now a simple question to u. If i ask u to wear a burqa whenever u go out or face a stranger. how will it feel?? Can u imagine such a life???

Ok now answer my questions. I would have appreciated if someone practising islam had answered it. But since u are so eager india1989. Why dont u explain??

dude answer to your question.

I would feel bad if i had to wear a burqa and I don't support that either. But my answer is let them live how they want. India is democracy and if you want to wear a burqa you can go ahead and wear it. You can ask them why but you can't force them not too. Who cares, what they are doing. Concentrate on your own work. BTW Muslims women in India has gone a long way and not many muslim women wear burqas in India.

[India1989]

As a matter of fact, muslims are one of the most backword communities in the world. Any community is backward because it does not change itself according to time.
As the purdah system has put the immense restriction on the women. It is primerly because of that they can not go to school, get education and make herself and society educated. Certainly as some one has said, If you teach a boy you teach only one person, but if you teach a girl, you teach the whole family.
Moreover, keeping women or any person under chains in the name of modesty is wrong.
It is a common fact that women in islamic society are second class citizens. And purdah system is responsible for this.

You are right and that's because they have some restrictions. Most of the Indian muslims from Bihar are backward and it's obvious because it's bihar. in other places like NEw Delhi and BEngal Muslims are in same position as other people.

[rohit khaitan]

dude answer to your question.

I would feel bad if i had to wear a burqa and I don't support that either. But my answer is let them live how they want. India is democracy and if you want to wear a burqa you can go ahead and wear it. You can ask them why but you can't force them not too. Who cares, what they are doing. Concentrate on your own work. BTW Muslims women in India has gone a long way and not many muslim women wear burqas in India...


Ahh... that was a classic from u. Then why the hell do these mullahs ask sania mirza to wear burqa and play tennis. :D Why does their top imam calls names to shabana azmi ?? Are these women not living in a democracy?? Selective democracy is it??? So my question remains intact why this stupid burqa system???

Also it will be a insane woman who will chose to wear a viel on her face all the life if she was given a choice. So dont give the crap that any woman chooses to wear a burqa.

[Puneet Sood]

You are right and that's because they have some restrictions. Most of the Indian muslims from Bihar are backward and it's obvious because it's bihar. in other places like NEw Delhi and BEngal Muslims are in same position as other people.

It is completely wrong to say that this community is backward only in Bihar. The data prove otherwise. The muslims have higher illiteracy and poverty rates than other communities all over India in their respective state.

The reason for this has been given earlier. I do not want further discuss it now.

[India1989]

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Ahh... that was a classic from u. Then why the hell do these mullahs ask sania mirza to wear burqa and play tennis. :D Why does their top imam calls names to shabana azmi ?? Are these women not living in a democracy?? Selective democracy is it??? So my question remains intact why this stupid burqa system???

Also it will be a insane woman who will chose to wear a viel on her face all the life if she was given a choice. So dont give the crap that any woman chooses to wear a burqa.


Some Conservative Muslims have asked Sania mirza to not wear mini-skirts. But sania mirza has not listened to them. So you can't blame the whole Muslim community. Those are some anti-social elements who does that.

The same Imam of Jama Masjid asked everyone to maintain peace when a bomb went of in Jama Masjid.

APJ Abdul Kalam Azad, a true Indian and a muslim too. This person has taken India to places. From missiles to satellites to even being the best president of our country.

There are some anti-elements but you shouldn't blame the whole community for that. There are some anti-social hindus too but you won't say that the whole Hindu community sucks for that.

Same thing. Let those conservative Muslims, Hindus, Christians say what they want.

The same Sikhs wanted to separate from India in 1984. Were all the Sikhs involved, Nope, only few terrorists, are you gonna blame all the Sikh community for that.

THe same SIkh soldiers still fight for India in the army. The muslims in Indian army went to fight for India too. IN army people of every religion go to fight.

Like us they don't quarrel and ask each other that why do you weark burqa and why do you wear turban and why do we take a crap. THey know that saying one thing by an anti-social element won't make a difference.

THe thing which matters is that We are all Indians and we all need to support each other. Not fight.

[India1989]

It is completely wrong to say that this community is backward only in Bihar. The data prove otherwise. The muslims have higher illiteracy and poverty rates than other communities all over India in their respective state.

The reason for this has been given earlier. I do not want further discuss it now.

Nope what i said is not wrong.

In Uttar Pradesh and bihar the literacy rates are 50%, Muslims have 32%.

in Kerala the literacy rate for Muslims are 100%. IN West Bengal the literacy rate for Muslims are 70%, in Northeast the literacy rate for Muslims are 89%.

All these facts are taken from my geography book.

[rohit khaitan]

You are talking non sense india1989. You posted big paragraphs lecturing me. You sweared on me. But what for?? You did not even understand what i said in all my posts. First learn to read carefully before u debate.

Did i ever say that all musllms are bad?? Did i ever say everything in islam is wrong?

Now either debate maturely of just shut up.

[Puneet Sood]

It is useless to talk to a person who just go on to insist without any reasoning.

But the facts tell otherwise. You have named Kerala, but it is the state which has been able to achieve the 100% literacy rate. But here too it has been found that standard of education has been lower than other communities.

Atleast you have been truthful in the case of UP and Bihar, but you did not go for reasons for it. Why has the literacy rate is so down as compared to other communities even in these states.

But atleast this is not the way to defend Purdah system and many other evils relating to middle age customs.

Reforms should be there in every society.

[India1989]

You are talking non sense india1989. You posted big paragraphs lecturing me. You sweared on me. But what for?? You did not even understand what i said in all my posts. First learn to read carefully before u debate.

Did i ever say that all musllms are bad?? Did i ever say everything in islam is wrong?

Now either debate maturely of just shut up.

I won't shut up, what the hell you gonna do. I try to reason with you by speaking maturely cause I can. But if you can't talk maturely, then i will bullshit with you.

Talk maturely because you don't know how to debate. I already apologized to you loser and you still go on with the same thing. Do you read posts??!!! If you don't then don't ask me to.

[India1989]

It is useless to talk to a person who just go on to insist without any reasoning.

But the facts tell otherwise. You have named Kerala, but it is the state which has been able to achieve the 100% literacy rate. But here too it has been found that standard of education has been lower than other communities.

Atleast you have been truthful in the case of UP and Bihar, but you did not go for reasons for it. Why has the literacy rate is so down as compared to other communities even in these states.

But atleast this is not the way to defend Purdah system and many other evils relating to middle age customs.

Reforms should be there in every society.


You are the one who has no reasoning. I gave facts and I was defending myself. If you have no comebacks doesn't mean that I am not reasoning. Just accept it that you lost the debate to a 17 year old. Don't try bullshitting with me.

Learn to respect your senior member cause I know more then you.

Yea i will talk to you like that if you talk to me in a mean way. Be nice and I will be nice with you.

YOu see that when I talked like that with those chinese. They were mean and I made them shut up.

I will make you shut up too if you bullshit with me.

[Puneet Sood]

You are the one who has no reasoning. I gave facts and I was defending myself. If you have no comebacks doesn't mean that I am not reasoning. Just accept it that you lost the debate to a 17 year old. Don't try bullshitting with me.

Learn to respect your senior member cause I know more then you.

Yea i will talk to you like that if you talk to me in a mean way. Be nice and I will be nice with you.

YOu see that when I talked like that with those chinese. They were mean and I made them shut up.

I will make you shut up too if you bullshit with me.

It is a strange way of debating. Any person who is debating with such arguments can not be called a sane person. I do not care about the seniority. In a forum what is the meaning of it.

You do not have the answer of any question raised in this thread.

It is strange that you are telling me respect you. It seems strange. What is the point you are trying to tell me about the seniority. It is just an voice of arrogant person who does not have any reasoning power.

Anyway if I refer to some bad customs which are dragging the society back, what is wrong with it. Tell me. I do not think that I did say anything wrong.

Please do not remain in the impression that you have defeated anybody. I think that it is discussion forum, not a war or something like this.

[India1989]

It is a strange way of debating. Any person who is debating with such arguments can not be called a sane person. I do not care about the seniority. In a forum what is the meaning of it.

You do not have the answer of any question raised in this thread.

It is strange that you are telling me respect you. It seems strange. What is the point you are trying to tell me about the seniority. It is just an voice of arrogant person who does not have any reasoning power.

Anyway if I refer to some bad customs which are dragging the society back, what is wrong with it. Tell me. I do not think that I did say anything wrong.

Please do not remain in the impression that you have defeated anybody. I think that it is discussion forum, not a war or something like this.


buddy you are full of bullshit and crap. You don't read other people's post. I have answered to every single of your questions and you just don't get the answer. be frank. don't act like those stupid Chinese people.

I repeat don't act like those stupid Chinese people. I have answered to every single of your question. SO shut up!!

I didn't say that you are wrong about pointing at some bad aspects of a society. I also gave you proofs.

Now answer me if you have the guts to. Why do you point at only one society. Why don't you point at more then one society. There are many societies in India who are backwards. Biharis specially. Don't ignore the fact. Cause if you do then either you are a Bihari or you are the biggest fool in the world.

[Puneet Sood]

buddy you are full of bullshit and crap. You don't read other people's post. I have answered to every single of your questions and you just don't get the answer. be frank. don't act like those stupid Chinese people.

I repeat don't act like those stupid Chinese people. I have answered to every single of your question. SO shut up!!

I didn't say that you are wrong about pointing at some bad aspects of a society. I also gave you proofs.

Now answer me if you have the guts to. Why do you point at only one society. Why don't you point at more then one society. There are many societies in India who are backwards. Biharis specially. Don't ignore the fact. Cause if you do then either you are a Bihari or you are the biggest fool in the world.

I again repeat you do not have any answer to any question. It is strange way to defend yourself by pointing the fingers at the third person.

But in your zeal you have forgotten that Biharis are not a religious community. But here again, the economic and educational backwardness is highest among the bihari muslims. You are not citing reasons, why is it so?

Why is it so that this community was constantly voting for the Laloo Prasad Yadav? Rather it was the staunchest supporter of Laloo Prasad Yadav along with Laloo Yadav's own community (Remember Muslim yadav Combination).

Of course, you have pointed out in your ignorance another shortcoming of the community. It was this community that was constantly voting for Laloo, constantly ignoring the development issues. It did not matter that there is not improvement in life in general.

Do you know that the budget was not tabled in the state for last ten years. Only this year budget was presented by Nitish Kumar Government. Last year this state fared much good by coming 13th in the all over India ranking in implementation of the welfare schemes. Jumping from last or 2nd last to this position is no mean acheivement.

For your knowledge I am not Bihari. But remember all that you need to run a state is a good administrater. It is not bounded by the beliefs of a particular community.

Please, stop elating over the stopping 10 year old mentality of some of chinese. Those were stupid persons. Chinese are generally known to have their cards close to their chest. In this regard, I doubt whether they were chinese at all.

[sunilkumar]

ye zamiiN roii aasmaan ke saath
jab Ramaayan jalii Quraan ke saath
be_zubaaN shakhs likh to saktaa hai
haath bhi kaaT do zabaan ke saath

[India1989]

I again repeat you do not have any answer to any question. It is strange way to defend yourself by pointing the fingers at the third person.

But in your zeal you have forgotten that Biharis are not a religious community. But here again, the economic and educational backwardness is highest among the bihari muslims. You are not citing reasons, why is it so?

Why is it so that this community was constantly voting for the Laloo Prasad Yadav? Rather it was the staunchest supporter of Laloo Prasad Yadav along with Laloo Yadav's own community (Remember Muslim yadav Combination).

Of course, you have pointed out in your ignorance another shortcoming of the community. It was this community that was constantly voting for Laloo, constantly ignoring the development issues. It did not matter that there is not improvement in life in general.

Do you know that the budget was not tabled in the state for last ten years. Only this year budget was presented by Nitish Kumar Government. Last year this state fared much good by coming 13th in the all over India ranking in implementation of the welfare schemes. Jumping from last or 2nd last to this position is no mean acheivement.

For your knowledge I am not Bihari. But remember all that you need to run a state is a good administrater. It is not bounded by the beliefs of a particular community.

Please, stop elating over the stopping 10 year old mentality of some of chinese. Those were stupid persons. Chinese are generally known to have their cards close to their chest. In this regard, I doubt whether they were chinese at all.

I have never blamed a religious community before. I just wanted people to forget about religious thing and that was my main topic. You guys are too much into religion. Don't blame muslims. by pointing at Bihar i meant to say that it's not any religious community which is backward. It doesn't depend on religion.

Your idea is that muslims means uneducated, but for your info you are not right.

Now if you would stop arguing over this stupid topic. everyone regardless of what they are should be treated equally. It's the fault of Indian govt. if education can't be provided. Muslims send their children to school too. Just that many doens't have money adn it's not thier fault if they can't find a job.

[Puneet Sood]

I have never blamed a religious community before. I just wanted people to forget about religious thing and that was my main topic. You guys are too much into religion. Don't blame muslims. by pointing at Bihar i meant to say that it's not any religious community which is backward. It doesn't depend on religion.

Your idea is that muslims means uneducated, but for your info you are not right.

Now if you would stop arguing over this stupid topic. everyone regardless of what they are should be treated equally. It's the fault of Indian govt. if education can't be provided. Muslims send their children to school too. Just that many doens't have money adn it's not thier fault if they can't find a job.

My dear

When did I say that you are blaming any religious community. You only blamed biharis for their backwardness, that too without going into details.

I strongly feel that there is strong need of reforms in all the communities. Just like christians have seen the reforms after middle age. Before that, the europe was passing through black ages. It was only after the reforms that the humanity could look forward to a new era.

Hinduism has also seen reforms. It is still going on. To me this is positive development. Alas, for the politicians the problem of castism has remained to be solved. The politicians are increasing this problem day by day. In this respect I will like to criticise Hinduism also. The old customs which are proving to be bottlenecks of the development of human being are to be rooted out.

But when the talks of reforms are done in muslims the people like you try to justify the evil customs like purdah. Why is it so? It is not the fault of girls that they are backward. It is the fault of customs which are keeping them backwards.

These evil customs are to be shunned. Those communities which are unable to do so remain backward.

Thanks

[India1989]

The main point is that whole Indian needs to reform no matter who you are in India. Without reforms specially in the political field India can't go anywhere. there are still 100's of communities in India who are still backward.

[vk.net]

Yeh hone tak humari 7 puste khata ho jayegi....

[ashpio786]

Sunil kumar rest assured mishq will have no answers. He will safely choose not to answer most of ur questions and will try to deviate from the topic.

I ask u again mishq. whats wrong in singing vande mataram? Did muhammad marry a 9 yr old girl? Does quran says that non believers should be killed??

I challenge u that i can come to a mosque and offer namaz. Can u eat prasad from a hindu temple? If u think u r secular lets do it. And i mean it.

hey as a muslim i can tell you that to keep peace between two treaties groups people etc i can take the offering of parasad from you but thats only to keep peace as your belives of offering a parasad wil be differnet to mine as its your relegion or culture whereas my belive would be to keep you happy and this is stated in or you can watch Dr Zakir Naik to prove my point.