The dreams that I dream-1- Rapture (Second Coming Of Jesus)

[jeremiah7]

In the year 1994, one night I had a dream. In the dream, I am walking along with a very close friend of mine on the road near my clinic. Nothing spectacular happening. The usual buzz of people going about their businesses and traffic plying by. We seemed to be discussing some recent events in our lives, enjoying the good sunny weather as we walked along.

We both had umbrellas to shield us from the slight drizzle that ensued. Suddenly it started getting dark. Still walking along we did not seem to be disturbed by the rain as it was very mild;but the darkness seemed to be getting worse. A very strange fear gripped me as the darkness increased. My steps faltered. I told my friend,"I feel something terrible is going to happen.""I can’t go any further."My friend ressured me,"Why do you worry? The Lord is with us."The darkness not only increased but there were lightnings and thunders. Never in my lifetime had I heard such thunders. It was terrible. It almost seemed to break my back.

My friends’ poise renewed my inner being. He said,"Come, let’s praise the Lord. No evil will befall us. The lightnings were now striking very near us."Despite the terrifying atmosphere, we started praising the Lord whole-heartedly and took giant strides forward."Praise The Lord, Praise The Lord"we shouted in unison.

And then it happened. In a flash, in the twinkling of a eye, a huge lightning came right upto us and sucked us up into the skies. As we ascended into the skies, unspeakable joy filled our hearts. We were still praising the Lord. And there the dream ended.

That dream made me think a lot and I delved deeply into the scriptures to find it’s meaning. I found that the Lord Jesus Christ has a unique plan for my life and hopefully as you leaf through the pages of the Bible you will discover that He has a unique plan for your life too.

Now, very carefully read the following passages from the Holy bible.

"Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: "Death has been swallowed up in victory."(1 Corinthians 15:51-54)

"For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever."(1 Thessalonians 4:16, 17)

These are the two most significant passages from the Holy Bible that speak of an event called "Rapture". This word brings indescribable hope and joy to some and confusion to others.

Rapture should be nothing less than the ultimate blessed hope and eager expectation of every true Christian. It is what the early church longed for and through the centuries has continued to be the hope of many who have believed in the Lord Jesus Christ.

I believe it will happen sometime in my lifetime. And may the Holy Spirit prepare you and me for that blessed moment.

[Neo]

In today's world even if some human is like Jesus, preaching peace and love, do you thinking anyone will give a shit on him? :)

The world is too individualistic to listen to another human. the last time someone was close to Jesus was Gandhi and look what people did to him.

Anyways, I don't want to disappoint you. May your fantasy keep your hope alive

[jeremiah7]

In today's world even if some human is like Jesus, preaching peace and love, do you thinking anyone will give a shit on him? :)

The world is too individualistic to listen to another human. the last time someone was close to Jesus was Gandhi and look what people did to him.

Anyways, I don't want to disappoint you. May your fantasy keep your hope alive

God gives everyone a chance to know the truth. We can accept/reject it. Finally when we die, we have no time for argument/debate. If you have lived for God, you will have your reward, if you have rejected Him, you suffer in eternity.

[Neo]

God gives everyone a chance to know the truth. We can accept/reject it. Finally when we die, we have no time for argument/debate. If you have lived for God, you will have your reward, if you have rejected Him, you suffer in eternity.

what kind of God he is if he expects loyality in return for rewards ( bribes ) of heaven :) and makes u suffer if you don't agree to his views?

is God authoritarian?

[jeremiah7]

what kind of God he is if he expects loyality in return for rewards ( bribes ) of heaven :) and makes u suffer if you don't agree to his views?

is God authoritarian?

Have you ever seen the clay in the Potters hand speak like you speak? We are God's creation and He expects us to live according to His ways.

[jeremiah7]

The dreams that I dream-2- Earthquakes

In 2004-05, when several earthquakes were occuring all over the world and in India, I was awakened one night by the Lord by showing me a dream of a massive earthquake occuring here in Kerala, South India.

In the dream, I was driving my car to our Church but to my horror, the roads are split wide open and I can neither go forwards/backwards. Obviously it was a warning that a quake would hit our state, so I prayed about the matter and then forgot about it. A week later, the Lord showed me another dream wherein an earthquake has already taken place in our state and I am giving people directions as to where to find shelters. I prayed about the matter again, this time more seriously.

To tell me that my prayers were not enough, the Lord showed me yet another dream of an earthquake that had hit a locality near my house, with broken bridges and fallen electric lines. For several days I and my wife prayed fervently that this may not happen. I resorted to corporate prayer and asked my church members to fast and pray for a day to avert this calamity.

God saved our state from a major disaster. Well, not many know of my dreams and many wouldn't understand that some had "stood in the gap." Praise God that He gives prior warning to His children who walk with Him.

[Neo]

Have you ever seen the clay in the Potters hand speak like you speak? We are God's creation and He expects us to live according to His ways.

yea ok. may be next time when i ll be sand i ll give up reasoning.

[Neo]

The dreams that I dream-2- Earthquakes

In 2004-05, when several earthquakes were occuring all over the world and in India, I was awakened one night by the Lord by showing me a dream of a massive earthquake occuring here in Kerala, South India.

In the dream, I was driving my car to our Church but to my horror, the roads are split wide open and I can neither go forwards/backwards. Obviously it was a warning that a quake would hit our state, so I prayed about the matter and then forgot about it. A week later, the Lord showed me another dream wherein an earthquake has already taken place in our state and I am giving people directions as to where to find shelters. I prayed about the matter again, this time more seriously.

To tell me that my prayers were not enough, the Lord showed me yet another dream of an earthquake that had hit a locality near my house, with broken bridges and fallen electric lines. For several days I and my wife prayed fervently that this may not happen. I resorted to corporate prayer and asked my church members to fast and pray for a day to avert this calamity.

God saved our state from a major disaster. Well, not many know of my dreams and many wouldn't understand that some had "stood in the gap." Praise God that He gives prior warning to His children who walk with Him.

u mean God found ur prayers saved only people of Kerela? Good lord, why couldn't you pray for all the natural calamities in the world. so many people died in katrina disaster..

very sad. or does God have selective departments catering to selective prayers? may be next time you guys should pray for world peace. may be he will listen. don't be so selfish as to pray only for kerela. comeon Lord's heart is much bigger than this.

[jeremiah7]

u mean God found ur prayers saved only people of Kerela? Good lord, why couldn't you pray for all the natural calamities in the world. so many people died in katrina disaster..

very sad. or does God have selective departments catering to selective prayers? may be next time you guys should pray for world peace. may be he will listen. don't be so selfish as to pray only for kerela. comeon Lord's heart is much bigger than this.
God has many servants all over the world to pray for each and every city, state & country and He informs His servants about the same. I pray for world peace regularly. But peace is not what is prophesied in the Bible. It's destruction because of man's wickedness and rebellion. God is able to save those who trust in Him. Perhaps you should give it a try.

[Neo]

God has many servants all over the world to pray for each and every city, state & country and He informs His servants about the same. I pray for world peace regularly. But peace is not what is prophesied in the Bible. It's destruction because of man's wickedness and rebellion. God is able to save those who trust in Him. Perhaps you should give it a try.

What makes you think I don't :)
You have your own way, I have my own. Since you publicise yours on a forum, I was curious of the efficacy of the same. I got it now, because its destruction that is prophesied in bible, you pray to be on the safer side to give God a helping hand to save you. quite interesting i admit.

[jeremiah7]

What makes you think I don't :)
You have your own way, I have my own. Since you publicise yours on a forum, I was curious of the efficacy of the same. I got it now, because its destruction that is prophesied in bible, you pray to be on the safer side to give God a helping hand to save you. quite interesting i admit.

God wants to save everyone who will obey Him, not just me and considering the consequences of rebelling against Him, it's good that you obey too. Who would want to suffer eternally in a lake of fire?

To know more, read an article that I have written
http://www.faithwriters.com/e-book-details.php?id=1059

[Neo]

God wants to save everyone who will obey Him, not just me and considering the consequences of rebelling against Him, it's good that you obey too. Who would want to suffer eternally in a lake of fire?

To know more, read an article that I have written
http://www.faithwriters.com/e-book-details.php?id=1059

thnks but no thnks :) i read the first page and ur ideas sound freaky to me.

nyways u have a right to ur ideas. i m done with this discussion. have a nice "after life" :)

[sunilkumar]

jeremiah7 you said ==>God wants to save everyone who will obey Him, not just me and considering the consequences of rebelling against Him, it's good that you obey too.

Am I servant of God ...:D?

I am creation of God, i am not robot of God.... and if i am robot of god... whatever is feeded in me i will do that.... now if machine have some defact then that should be taken care by its creator to upgrade it....

I do have an Expire Date .... and every things of this universe have Expire date....
We are going to be transform from one form of energy to other form of energy.

This is a brahm gyan ... Enjoy..!

[jeremiah7]

jeremiah7 you said ==>God wants to save everyone who will obey Him, not just me and considering the consequences of rebelling against Him, it's good that you obey too.

Am I servant of God ...:D?

I am creation of God, i am not robot of God.... and if i am robot of god... whatever is feeded in me i will do that.... now if machine have some defact then that should be taken care by its creator to upgrade it....

I do have an Expire Date .... and every things of this universe have Expire date....
We are going to be transform from one form of energy to other form of energy.

This is a brahm gyan ... Enjoy..!

Since you are a creation, you must obey all the more. What can robots do? They are created to do a specific task. Man has been endowed with wisdom to do good by God but he chooses evil and that's why the world is such a mess.

As you say, you have an expiry date. That's true. But it's your ignorance that you say that all things have expiry date. There's not going to be any transformation from one energy to other form. Someone said, "Ignorance is bliss" and if that is true, as you say.....enjoy....

[sunilkumar]

Dear Doctor I said its brahm gyan (universal knowledge) most of intelectual dont know what i said?

You think God is suprem Power ... so lets tell me who made God ... ? ...:D

You said i am creation of GOD then why he had feeded wrong Data in me ? so its his problem not mine... Remember one thing Gods creation is always perfect... so am I...

Dr. I am always in heaven ... you still have to achive it.

There are thousand of God in your surrounding.... you don't know you are also god for some one... its all depends how you think .... ?

I am source of energy, I am powerfull but Everything has an expire date ... :) so this source of energy will be transform into different state.... thats were my expire date comes... (expire date of sunil(identity))

I know where is my GOD? I don't have to search him.... or follow some one to meet him....

[jeremiah7]

Dear Doctor I said its brahm gyan (universal knowledge) most of intelectual dont know what i said?

You think God is suprem Power ... so lets tell me who made God ... ? ...:D

You said i am creation of GOD then why he had feeded wrong Data in me ? so its his problem not mine... Remember one thing Gods creation is always perfect... so am I...

Dr. I am always in heaven ... you still have to achive it.

There are thousand of God in your surrounding.... you don't know you are also god for some one... its all depends how you think .... ?

I am source of energy, I am powerfull but Everything has an expire date ... :) so this source of energy will be transform into different state.... thats were my expire date comes... (expire date of sunil(identity))

I know where is my GOD? I don't have to search him.... or follow some one to meet him....

God is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent.
No one can create a Creator!
God has not fed wrong data into you or anyone.
The right data that he has fed has been corrupted by man himself.

Your being in heaven now is your own thinking. There is no truth in that. If you are enduring pain, sorrow, difficulties,etc. here on earth where you are living, this is no "heaven". It's just wishful thinking.

There is a source of energy that never expires & that is "God"

[Neo]

This is what Lord Krishna says in Bhagwad Geeta.
"I am the ultimate truth. Whatever happens happens for Good. When you die you will be one with me"

The real path to salvation is realising this fact and being with Krishna. If someone doesn't believe that he is condemned to a life of ignorance and death of soul. There's no other truth.

[sunilkumar]

Dr jeremiah7 you said No one can create a creator …. But I know who created creator…

Dr. jeremiah7 you said god has not fed wrong data into anyone then how data can be corrupted. All have correct data… :D ?

You think of Heaven and hell …. That makes me laugh ..? I live on earth.

Dr. jeremiah7 you said ==>Your being in heaven now is your own thinking. There is no truth in that. If you are enduring pain, sorrow, difficulties,etc. here on earth where you are living, this is no "heaven". It's just wishful thinking.

You mean to say that earth is hell ….? ..:D

Dear Dr jeremiah7…
[1] There is no heaven & no hell.
[2] There is no wrong and no right.
[3] There is no good and no bad.

We live in some society where we set some parameter to live for the benefit of human race and other organism of this earth, that parameter are right, morally correct & consider as good … but with the passage of time that parameter can be consider as wrong belief and can be consider as bad for human race.

[jeremiah7]

This is what Lord Krishna says in Bhagwad Geeta.
"I am the ultimate truth. Whatever happens happens for Good. When you die you will be one with me"

The real path to salvation is realising this fact and being with Krishna. If someone doesn't believe that he is condemned to a life of ignorance and death of soul. There's no other truth.

Where is this Krishna now? Also where will we be meeting Krishna after death?

[jeremiah7]

Dr jeremiah7 you said No one can create a creator …. But I know who created creator…

Dr. jeremiah7 you said god has not fed wrong data into anyone then how data can be corrupted. All have correct data… :D ?

You think of Heaven and hell …. That makes me laugh ..? I live on earth.

Dr. jeremiah7 you said ==>Your being in heaven now is your own thinking. There is no truth in that. If you are enduring pain, sorrow, difficulties,etc. here on earth where you are living, this is no "heaven". It's just wishful thinking.

You mean to say that earth is hell ….? ..:D

Dear Dr jeremiah7…
[1] There is no heaven & no hell.
[2] There is no wrong and no right.
[3] There is no good and no bad.

We live in some society where we set some parameter to live for the benefit of human race and other organism of this earth, that parameter are right, morally correct & consider as good … but with the passage of time that parameter can be consider as wrong belief and can be consider as bad for human race.

If you are amused at reading of heaven and hell, what will you do when you face reality? Hell is full of fire and agony. Your 3 statements above are totally wrong. There is heaven and hell, there is wrong and right, there is good and bad. Don't try to run away from reality.

[Neo]

Where is this Krishna now? Also where will we be meeting Krishna after death?


He is in everything and everywhere. Even in people who are ignorant to question his presence. You will meet him in the same place as God. He is the supreme Divine, the God who manifests himself in each and every soul that ever walked this earth.

He talks from the mouth of messengers to help the lost and faithless to follow a path. Ultimately all the paths lead to Krishna. Thats the truth people don't realise till they are alive. May Krishna have mercy on the souls of ignorants.

[jeremiah7]

He is in everything and everywhere. Even in people who are ignorant to question his presence. You will meet him in the same place as God. He is the supreme Divine, the God who manifests himself in each and every soul that ever walked this earth.

He talks from the mouth of messengers to help the lost and faithless to follow a path. Ultimately all the paths lead to Krishna. Thats the truth people don't realise till they are alive. May Krishna have mercy on the souls of ignorants.

When you say "you will meet him in the same place as God"
you mean he is not really God.
What you say is not true because he has not manifested in my soul. I don't approve your saying that "all paths lead to krishna"
Prove it if you can.
What is the basis of your argument that "all paths lead to krishna"?

[Neo]

When you say "you will meet him in the same place as God"
you mean he is not really God.
What you say is not true because he has not manifested in my soul. I don't approve your saying that "all paths lead to krishna"
Prove it if you can.
What is the basis of your argument that "all paths lead to krishna"?

No dude, that means He is the God.

There's no argument here. Its the ultimate truth. You can not argue with ultimat truth. you are just a pottery in the hands of Krishna. How can you argue with this :)

If your soul has not been touched, I pity you. Thats why I said, may krishna have mercy on the ignorant..

[jeremiah7]

No dude, that means He is the God.

There's no argument here. Its the ultimate truth. You can not argue with ultimat truth. you are just a pottery in the hands of Krishna. How can you argue with this :)

If your soul has not been touched, I pity you. Thats why I said, may krishna have mercy on the ignorant..

Don't pity me because I know what the ultimate truth is. Do you have any proof of this krishna or is it just your wishful thinking.

I am not arguing with ultimate truth, I am arguing with you. My soul has been touched by the living God, not by some mythological figure.

[Neo]

Don't pity me because I know what the ultimate truth is. Do you have any proof of this krishna or is it just your wishful thinking.

I am not arguing with ultimate truth, I am arguing with you. My soul has been touched by the living God, not by some mythological figure.

haha..this is hypocrisy...ur soul has been touched by someone whom u din't even know existed till someone preached u abt him...:)

for all i know the hullucinating preacher may be out of his mind and u have no idea and are following him like sheep following the herd...

u have no idea of the ultimate truth...ur living in a dream world waiting to enter another world that doesn't exist...

if krishna is mythology what else can be more stupid than believing that a virgin gave birth to someone...hahahaha...and ur ultimate truth stems from this??? gimme a break ...

perfect example of brainwashing...i pity u for ur ignorance...

[sunilkumar]

Dr Jeremiah7 I want to know that do you agree on below statement...

"We live in some society where we set some parameter to live for the benefit of human race and other organism of this earth, that parameter are right, morally correct & consider as good … but with the passage of time that parameter can be consider as wrong belief and can be consider as bad for human race. "

It will be great if you answer in yes or no .... :)

[jeremiah7]

haha..this is hypocrisy...ur soul has been touched by someone whom u din't even know existed till someone preached u abt him...:)

for all i know the hullucinating preacher may be out of his mind and u have no idea and are following him like sheep following the herd...

u have no idea of the ultimate truth...ur living in a dream world waiting to enter another world that doesn't exist...

if krishna is mythology what else can be more stupid than believing that a virgin gave birth to someone...hahahaha...and ur ultimate truth stems from this??? gimme a break ...

perfect example of brainwashing...i pity u for ur ignorance...

By your talk, I get the idea that you were born as a scholar and did not need any education thereafter. And without proper education, where did you get this knowledge about krishna?

Till a "Tsunami" came, hardly anyone had heard/talked about it. So do not think that you are all knowledgeable. There are many things that you also do not know.
You don't have to make fun of the "virgin birth." When you do that you are talking not against me but against Jesus who died on the cross for your sins too.

I am proud of the fact that Jesus has touched my soul and it is God's will that every person on earth should know the facts.

[jeremiah7]

Dr Jeremiah7 I want to know that do you agree on below statement...

"We live in some society where we set some parameter to live for the benefit of human race and other organism of this earth, that parameter are right, morally correct & consider as good … but with the passage of time that parameter can be consider as wrong belief and can be consider as bad for human race. "

It will be great if you answer in yes or no .... :)

Living for benefit for human race comes only secondary to living for God, which should be always the first in our lives.

[jeremiah7]

A servant of God named Lester Sumrall, while attending his Church in Tennessee, was shown a vision by God as people praised and worshipped the Lord Jesus.
Thousands of people were walking on a road going in one direction. People from many nations were walking together. He saw Americans, Indians, Australians, Japanese and Chinese walking together.
Then the Lord spoke to him,”These people are on the road of life, walking towards eternity.”
Never having seen a movie before, this servant of God was excited seeing all these people from different countries.
“Would you like to see their end?”the Lord then asked him. When he replied positively, in the vision, the Lord took him above these people walking on the road to eternity. After walking for some distance, many people left this main path and walked on to another path.
“Where are they going?”The servant of God asked the Lord. The Lord said, “These are the righteous. They are going into eternal life. They are leaving the life on earth and entering in to my life.”
The people who did not turn to this path from the main path kept walking and reached the end of the path which now ended in a bottomless pit. There was blazing fire in the pit. People falling into the pit screamed and abused and blasphemed. Unbearable pain caused them to pull out their hair and they dug their nail into their flesh and blood flowed out.
The servant of God who saw this vision was greatly troubled witnessing the torments of HELL.
Heaven and hell are not just fanciful stories dear friend. They are realities.
Any person who dies on earth, goes to their eternal home, either in Heaven or in Hell. Every person who lives on earth has 3 distinct parts - Body, Spirit and Soul. After death, the body disintegrates when buried or is burnt. The spirit and soul live forever. The soul is the part of a person called mind or intellect or decision making part.
Life in Heaven or Hell is the eternal future of every person born on earth.
For which life are you (or have you been) preparing yourself?
Eternal joy in heaven or eternal torment in hell? Whether you believe it or not, this is the future of every person who has been born or will be born on earth. This is not my personal opinion, it is the truth that is mentioned in the ‘Word of God”- “The Bible.”

[sunilkumar]

Dr Jeremiah7 I Repeat once again .....I want to know that do you agree on below statement... Please answer it in yes or no ....

"We live in some society where we set some parameter to live for the benefit of human race and other organism of this earth, that parameter are right, morally correct & consider as good … but with the passage of time that parameter can be consider as wrong belief and can be consider as bad for human race. "

[Neo]

By your talk, I get the idea that you were born as a scholar and did not need any education thereafter. And without proper education, where did you get this knowledge about krishna?

I got it from understanding my religion which came from the vedas. A work 4000 years old which unlike any other religious text doesn't teach intolerance. Whats the 1st commandment- "there's no other God"? The teaching which began with a hardliner culminated in another hardliner with whom your race is at war now.I got educated and understood that a religion that teaches intolerance is fundamentally flawed.


Till a "Tsunami" came, hardly anyone had heard/talked about it. So do not think that you are all knowledgeable. There are many things that you also do not know.

yea till modern science proved it uncorrect the church prosecuted people who believed that the earth was not the center of the universe. But there were many blind followers like you even then who took copernicus to a court for blasphemy for saying sun was the center. And you are still following the crap that church preaches you? :)


You don't have to make fun of the "virgin birth." When you do that you are talking not against me but against Jesus who died on the cross for your sins too.

I am not making fun of "virgin birth". I just don't believe in it just like you don't believe in Krishna. Jesus died on the cross because of tight minds like you who don't have a clue of what he preached and what your selfish church twisted it to become. I am married to an orthodox christian and trust me you have no idea of what christanity is. Thats because you are a second hand christian - whose forefathers changed their religion under the influence of church. These people are the hardliners as is pretty clear to me since long.
Probably thats why orthodox christians don't believe in the church and pope. They are tolerant because they understand the real preachings of jesus.


I am proud of the fact that Jesus has touched my soul and it is God's will that every person on earth should know the facts.
facts? like the earth being the center of universe? haha

[Neo]

A servant of God named Lester Sumrall, while attending his Church in Tennessee, was shown a vision by God as people praised and worshipped the Lord Jesus.
Thousands of people were walking on a road going in one direction. People from many nations were walking together. He saw Americans, Indians, Australians, Japanese and Chinese walking together.
Then the Lord spoke to him,”These people are on the road of life, walking towards eternity.”
Never having seen a movie before, this servant of God was excited seeing all these people from different countries.
“Would you like to see their end?”the Lord then asked him. When he replied positively, in the vision, the Lord took him above these people walking on the road to eternity. After walking for some distance, many people left this main path and walked on to another path.
“Where are they going?”The servant of God asked the Lord. The Lord said, “These are the righteous. They are going into eternal life. They are leaving the life on earth and entering in to my life.”
The people who did not turn to this path from the main path kept walking and reached the end of the path which now ended in a bottomless pit. There was blazing fire in the pit. People falling into the pit screamed and abused and blasphemed. Unbearable pain caused them to pull out their hair and they dug their nail into their flesh and blood flowed out.
The servant of God who saw this vision was greatly troubled witnessing the torments of HELL.
Heaven and hell are not just fanciful stories dear friend. They are realities.
Any person who dies on earth, goes to their eternal home, either in Heaven or in Hell. Every person who lives on earth has 3 distinct parts - Body, Spirit and Soul. After death, the body disintegrates when buried or is burnt. The spirit and soul live forever. The soul is the part of a person called mind or intellect or decision making part.
Life in Heaven or Hell is the eternal future of every person born on earth.
For which life are you (or have you been) preparing yourself?
Eternal joy in heaven or eternal torment in hell? Whether you believe it or not, this is the future of every person who has been born or will be born on earth. This is not my personal opinion, it is the truth that is mentioned in the ‘Word of God”- “The Bible.”

i can't believe that educated people also fall for such stupid propaganda by the church. my God, christ must be twisting whereever his soul is seeing how misplaced his teachings have become at the hands of people :)

i had heard of people blinded by faith but at least now u confirm it. so according to your theory all the people except christians are destined to hell whatever that is ...hahaha

you are a real hypocrite Mr., you are worse than the islamist your pope said bad word about. At least they are open in their beliefs. you are subtle but you are more hardliner. God save the world from people like you. I am glad there are muslims to keep evil one's like you under check.

[jeremiah7]

Dr Jeremiah7 I Repeat once again .....I want to know that do you agree on below statement... Please answer it in yes or no ....

"We live in some society where we set some parameter to live for the benefit of human race and other organism of this earth, that parameter are right, morally correct & consider as good … but with the passage of time that parameter can be consider as wrong belief and can be consider as bad for human race. "

What are you trying to prove by asking this? What is the meaning of "other organism". Do you know what "organism" means?

Organism is:

An individual form of life, such as a plant, animal, bacterium, protist, or fungus; a body made up of organs, organelles, or other parts that work together to carry on the various processes of life.

Ask the question properly.

[jeremiah7]

i can't believe that educated people also fall for such stupid propaganda by the church. my God, christ must be twisting whereever his soul is seeing how misplaced his teachings have become at the hands of people :)

i had heard of people blinded by faith but at least now u confirm it. so according to your theory all the people except christians are destined to hell whatever that is ...hahaha

you are a real hypocrite Mr., you are worse than the islamist your pope said bad word about. At least they are open in their beliefs. you are subtle but you are more hardliner. God save the world from people like you. I am glad there are muslims to keep evil one's like you under check.

Please check your posts and see for yourself who is the hardliner. Don't get worked up. And don't worry about Christ twisting. He can manage the world by himself.
And if you don't know where Christ's soul is, I can tell you-He lives in the hearts of his children. He is omnipresent. Even right next to you, when you type out your posts. Fear God. You will feel his mighty presence very soon.

[jeremiah7]

I got it from understanding my religion which came from the vedas. A work 4000 years old which unlike any other religious text doesn't teach intolerance. Whats the 1st commandment- "there's no other God"? The teaching which began with a hardliner culminated in another hardliner with whom your race is at war now.I got educated and understood that a religion that teaches intolerance is fundamentally flawed.


yea till modern science proved it uncorrect the church prosecuted people who believed that the earth was not the center of the universe. But there were many blind followers like you even then who took copernicus to a court for blasphemy for saying sun was the center. And you are still following the crap that church preaches you? :)


I am not making fun of "virgin birth". I just don't believe in it just like you don't believe in Krishna. Jesus died on the cross because of tight minds like you who don't have a clue of what he preached and what your selfish church twisted it to become. I am married to an orthodox christian and trust me you have no idea of what christanity is. Thats because you are a second hand christian - whose forefathers changed their religion under the influence of church. These people are the hardliners as is pretty clear to me since long.
Probably thats why orthodox christians don't believe in the church and pope. They are tolerant because they understand the real preachings of jesus.


facts? like the earth being the center of universe? haha


Below is what you posted about the "virgin birth" and you say you are not making fun.

if krishna is mythology what else can be more stupid than believing that a virgin gave birth to someone...hahahaha...and ur ultimate truth stems from this??? gimme a break ...

Stop accusing me and calling me names because it's not good. Have I called you names? Look at your posts, see for yourself what all you have called me? Is this what your religion teaches? Is this tolerance? The church doesn't preach crap...please be kind.

[Neo]

Please check your posts and see for yourself who is the hardliner. Don't get worked up. And don't worry about Christ twisting. He can manage the world by himself.

I don't think so. He is dead. Its upto the people to manage the world.
Btw I am surprised you have nothing to counter the points raised by me.
Do you still believe earth being the center of the universe? Is that not what you dreamt lately?



And if you don't know where Christ's soul is, I can tell you-He lives in the hearts of his children. He is omnipresent. Even right next to you, when you type out your posts. Fear God. You will feel his mighty presence very soon.
all i hear is blah blah blah...And I don't fear God. I love Him. If you fear him, its your problem. And I have felt his mighty presence all my life. May be you have feared him all your life. Thats the difference.

Learn to respect other religions before preaching yours to them. And as is pretty clear to me by now,most of your ideas are misplaced. It will take you another life to realise the meaning of God. May be another faith ;)

[jeremiah7]

I don't think so. He is dead. Its upto the people to manage the world.
Btw I am surprised you have nothing to counter the points raised by me.
Do you still believe earth being the center of the universe? Is that not what you dreamt lately?

all i hear is blah blah blah...And I don't fear God. I love Him. If you fear him, its your problem. And I have felt his mighty presence all my life. May be you have feared him all your life. Thats the difference.

Learn to respect other religions before preaching yours to them. And as is pretty clear to me by now,most of your ideas are misplaced. It will take you another life to realise the meaning of God. May be another faith ;)

You seem to be so sure that you are the wisest. There is no blah, blah here. I didn't ask you to comment on my posts. if you feel that it is blah, blah, why post here.

And I didn't post about earth being the centre of the universe. Perhaps you didn't read properly.
I am not disrespecting other religions. In how many of my posts have I disrespected other religions? Which religions? You are the one who wrote about Islamists being wrong and the church preaching crap and laughing at the "virgin birth".
In the past several posts, you have called me more names that your posts.I don't think you respect anyone other than yourself. You say, your God has taught you tolerance, but all I see in your posts is anger and intolerance.

It's not easy to understand God because "In Him is all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge." As you say, it may take me another life to know more about him, but I am happy that when I die, I'll be with my God. But worry about your future.

[Punjabi]

In the year 1994, one night I had a dream. In the dream, I am walking along with a very close friend of mine on the road near my clinic. Nothing spectacular happening. The usual buzz of people going about their businesses and traffic plying by. We seemed to be discussing some recent events in our lives, enjoying the good sunny weather as we walked along.

We both had umbrellas to shield us from the slight drizzle that ensued. Suddenly it started getting dark. Still walking along we did not seem to be disturbed by the rain as it was very mild;but the darkness seemed to be getting worse. A very strange fear gripped me as the darkness increased. My steps faltered. I told my friend,"I feel something terrible is going to happen.""I can’t go any further."My friend ressured me,"Why do you worry? The Lord is with us."The darkness not only increased but there were lightnings and thunders. Never in my lifetime had I heard such thunders. It was terrible. It almost seemed to break my back.

My friends’ poise renewed my inner being. He said,"Come, let’s praise the Lord. No evil will befall us. The lightnings were now striking very near us."Despite the terrifying atmosphere, we started praising the Lord whole-heartedly and took giant strides forward."Praise The Lord, Praise The Lord"we shouted in unison.

And then it happened. In a flash, in the twinkling of a eye, a huge lightning came right upto us and sucked us up into the skies. As we ascended into the skies, unspeakable joy filled our hearts. We were still praising the Lord. And there the dream ended.

That dream made me think a lot and I delved deeply into the scriptures to find it’s meaning. I found that the Lord Jesus Christ has a unique plan for my life and hopefully as you leaf through the pages of the Bible you will discover that He has a unique plan for your life too.

Now, very carefully read the following passages from the Holy bible.

"Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: "Death has been swallowed up in victory."(1 Corinthians 15:51-54)

"For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever."(1 Thessalonians 4:16, 17)

These are the two most significant passages from the Holy Bible that speak of an event called "Rapture". This word brings indescribable hope and joy to some and confusion to others.

Rapture should be nothing less than the ultimate blessed hope and eager expectation of every true Christian. It is what the early church longed for and through the centuries has continued to be the hope of many who have believed in the Lord Jesus Christ.

I believe it will happen sometime in my lifetime. And may the Holy Spirit prepare you and me for that blessed moment.

Couple of things -
1.Its great that you had this dream about Jesus. More power to you.
2.Whoever wants to read the Bible will do it themselves. Don't try to convince people on this forum to leaf through the Bible. This forum is not for missionary propaganda. Pls take this Christian preaching to the adivasis, they need it more :)

[jeremiah7]

Pastor Daniel from Nigeria died in a road accident on November 30th 2001. For 3 days he was kept in a mortuary. God raised him up from the dead miraculously after that. The Pastor describes what happened between his death and being raised up.
As he was being transported in an ambulance,he died and 2 angels carried him to a very beautiful place. The angels told him that that place was Paradise.
There he saw a great throng of people worshipping God in unison and he too worshipped. He did not feel like leaving that place where there was total peace and joy. But the angels told him that he had to see other places too. They took him to the place of torment called Hell. People in hell were in torment physically and mentally. They spoke to him about their eternal sorrow. There seemed to be no end to their pain and grief.
Heaven and Hell are realities dear Brother, dear Sister. Just to enjoy the fleeting pleasures of today and tomorrow, do not lose your place in heaven. The lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and the pride of life,these all take away the love of the Father from within us. So Beware.

[jeremiah7]

Couple of things -
1.Its great that you had this dream about Jesus. More power to you.
2.Whoever wants to read the Bible will do it themselves. Don't try to convince people on this forum to leaf through the Bible. This forum is not for missionary propaganda. Pls take this Christian preaching to the adivasis, they need it more :)

Thanks Punjabi. God loves you.

[Neo]

You seem to be so sure that you are the wisest. There is no blah, blah here. I didn't ask you to comment on my posts. if you feel that it is blah, blah, why post here.

this is a public forum and i wanted to bring out the facade that you wear while preaching what u think is the way to god. I only brought out your real face to the people on this forum. One who doesn't believe that there's any other path true than his.


And I didn't post about earth being the centre of the universe. Perhaps you didn't read properly.

perhaps you din't understand the point correctly. Just like intelligent people like you in that era believed what the church preached blindly, today's world has its share of stupidity.


I am not disrespecting other religions. In how many of my posts have I disrespected other religions? Which religions? You are the one who wrote about Islamists being wrong and the church preaching crap and laughing at the "virgin birth".

I laugh at your hypocrisy. If you can't believe in Krishna, why you expect me to believe in a virgin giving birth? well? And when you said that all paths lead to God, it was not me who said your God or my God. I said all paths lead to Krishna. That was too hard for you to digest. Well its hard for me to digest that someone can bear a child without sex. Any problems here doctor?


In the past several posts, you have called me more names that your posts.I don't think you respect anyone other than yourself. You say, your God has taught you tolerance, but all I see in your posts is anger and intolerance.

Not my God, you again twist my words. I said my religion teaches tolerance. And yes it does. And I am tolerant. Thats why you din't see me tell you at any time that I don't believe in what jesus said. I just don't believe in what "you" proclaim He said.


It's not easy to understand God because "In Him is all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge." As you say, it may take me another life to know more about him, but I am happy that when I die, I'll be with my God. But worry about your future.

No one came back from death till date to tell how it will be after life. May be you will be with God or may be you will be nowhere. I don't care and I am not interested. What I am interested in is if someone brings out some ideas on a public forum which are archaic and stupid, I will counter it.

Sorry that I am not a sheep.

[Neo]

Pastor Daniel from Nigeria died in a road accident on November 30th 2001. For 3 days he was kept in a mortuary. God raised him up from the dead miraculously after that.

And this breaking news was covered live by CNN. oops..you missed it fellas..i m sorry me too coz it was broadcast only to the guy here..haha


The Pastor describes what happened between his death and being raised up.
As he was being transported in an ambulance,he died and 2 angels carried him to a very beautiful place. The angels told him that that place was Paradise.

and the pastor saw lot of little kids in the choir there. indeed it was paradise..for the pedophile...:)


There he saw a great throng of people worshipping God in unison and he too worshipped. He did not feel like leaving that place where there was total peace and joy. But the angels told him that he had to see other places too. They took him to the place of torment called Hell. People in hell were in torment physically and mentally. They spoke to him about their eternal sorrow. There seemed to be no end to their pain and grief.
Heaven and Hell are realities dear Brother, dear Sister. Just to enjoy the fleeting pleasures of today and tomorrow, do not lose your place in heaven. The lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and the pride of life,these all take away the love of the Father from within us. So Beware.

crux of the story. God realised the intentions of the pastor and to save the lil angels sent him back to earth...God bless the pastor. Wonder how many lives he will have before being accepted up there..haha

[jeremiah7]

Read this, it's not only I who has heard this true account:

http://www.cbn.com/700club/features/amazing/raised_from_dead091603.aspx

A SECOND CHANCE
Daniel: Raised from the Dead
By Susan Mann and Ken Hulme
The 700 Club

CBN.com – On November 30, 2001 Pastor Daniel Ekechukwu's brakes failed and his car slammed into a concrete pillar. He was rushed to a Nigerian hospital. His condition was serious.

For some reason, Daniel wanted doctors to transfer him to another hospital. The doctors warned that the trip would kill him. They were right. Daniel's wife remembers her husband's dying words.

"My husband called to me and told me that I should take care of the children and the ministry. He said he had built a house for me, and that I should not worry. I should take care of everybody. He said that there are some people who are called to go quick (to die early) and that he was among them," Ekechukwu said.

Daniel died on the way to the second hospital. He was rushed to a Nigerian clinic where Dr. Josse Annebunwa was working.

"I was told he was involved in a motor accident in Onitsha, Nigeria. When I examined him, I looked at the
chest and there were no respiratory movements. I listened with the stethoscope and there were no breath sounds. I searched the heart and cardiovascular system, but there were no sounds. The patient had no pulse. I looked at the eyes - the pupils were fixed and dilated. I came to the conclusion right away that the patient was dead and that he should be removed to the mortuary," Annebunwa said.

Mortician Barlington R. Mann remembers when Daniel's father and wife brought his body into the mortuary.

"There was no life in him, no heartbeat, and no signs of breathing," said mortician Barlington R. Mann. "I accepted him as a corpse. After checking these things, I checked all around the body and everything was stiff. That is what gave us the conviction to start our embalming procedure. I sent him into the second room and put him on the last slab."

For three days, Daniel's body lay there, in the open-air embalming room. During that time the body was prepared for burial-including embalming! While they waited for the funeral, Daniel's wife began to argue with her Maker.

"I began to call on the name of the Lord. I wanted to remind God of His promises," Daniel's wife said. "One verse that inspired me was Hebrew 11:35: 'Women received their dead bodies to life.' The moment I read this verse it strengthened me to hold God firm and act."

Three days after Daniel's death, his wife decided what she would do. She had heard about a meeting near by-where miracles were happening. It was a Reinhard Bonnke prayer service. She went to collect her husband's body.

"Before I could come they had the casket ready," she said. "The moment they put him in I ran inside the ambulance with my son and his brother, and we started coming down to this place. And I asked somebody if Bonnke had come."

Within a short time they arrived at the Reinhard Bonnke service, and asked if they could bring Daniel's body in for prayer.

"I felt that the anointing would be so strong there and that the anointing would resurrect my husband," Daniel's wife said.

"They came up to me and I told them that it would be an embarrassment to bring a corpse inside a church," said one of the workers at the Bonnke service. "We realized that whatever we do and wherever we are God is present. If God wants to perform a miracle for the man, the place where the man is does not really matter."

They carried Daniel's dead body into the basement where the service was being held. They laid his body across two tables, and several pastors began praying for him.

"As we were praying," said one of the pastors, "suddenly we saw the eyes started to move and life started coming in. I said to my friend, Pastor Luke, 'You know, they say that he was three days in the mortuary. Let us massage him.' So he was there, massaging the right hand. And I was massaging the left hand. We were squeezing it, making sure that life returned. We found out that as we were praying the heart started to become hot. He was breathing, and we started massaging the hands. As we massaged the hands suddenly it seemed that life came into the hands, and we put his hands on his chest. I massaged the neck and life came into it. I was able to turn it."

The pastors around him continued to massage his body because after three days in the mortuary, rigor mortis had set in. As they were doing this, suddenly Daniel jumped to his feet to the amazement of everyone who looked on! The pastors were unsure what to do next.

"I said let's take him upstairs, and we followed the stairway upstairs. At the end of the step he said, 'water, water.' He was asking for water. I shouted, 'Bring water, bring water, lets get him water!' People thronged and suddenly we saw people coming from the outside. It seemed that the news went out and people came in. People came in and they saw the dead man sitting down.

Daniel like Lazarus of old had been raised from the dead!

The story of his resurrection spread like wildfire. Everywhere he went people knew that God had performed a miracle. In the days and weeks that followed, Daniel began to share about something that happened to him as his body lay lifeless in the mortuary. He spoke about a journey with an angel who allowed him to visit both heaven and hell.

"He told me we are going to visit paradise," Daniel said. "So we visited a place. When we approached the place I saws multitudes of people that looked exactly like the one with me, that angel that was with me. The angel with me wore white apparel. The body was pure white. The apparel was pure white, but the apparel did not look removable from the body. When I saw this crowd they looked exactly like the one with me. In my heart I said, ' look at where the angels gather.'"

"After that he then said, 'Let us go and visit the mansion that Jesus promised.' He (the angel) now took me to a wonderful place. In fact, what I saw there, I do not have any words to describe it. It was so glorious. It was a very wonderful mansion. You could look at the building and it would look like glass or look like gold or whatever. Even the flowers there looked like gold.

"Then the angel said, 'Now let us visit hell.' In the twinkle of an eye, we found ourselves in the place. Immediately the gate opened. I started hearing lamentation. So I looked inside and I saw people like us here. They were putting on some clothes.

They had the same flesh; some are black and some are white. They just looked like us.
They were shouting - there was a lot of pain, a lot of torment. It was to the extent that immediately when the gate was opened, it was if they were seeing me.

They were asking me for help, shouting. And I remember one. He was shouting. 'I am a pastor, I only stole church money and I am ready to refund it immediately.' He just said he was ready to refund it and that I should help. There was a force that was tormenting them. I never saw any fire there and I never saw any flames in hell, but the torment there looks as if the people are inside fire.

It was then that the angel declared something to Daniel that caused his heart to melt with fear. He told Daniel that he deserved to be in hell too!

"So while I was shouting and asking the angel for help, that I have another chance to go back, he mentioned this: that the request of the rich man in hell had been granted to this generation. I did not understand it.

It was later, when I woke up and read the Bible, that I realized what the request was. The rich man (in Luke 16) was requesting, that a dead man should be sent back to the world. So he just said that the request of the rich man had been granted to this generation for the last warning. He said to me that he is giving me an opportunity to go back for the last warning to this generation," Daniel said.

Today, that is precisely what Daniel is doing -- warning everyone who will listen of the judgment to come -- and the promise of everlasting life to those who trust in the name of Jesus.

[Neo]

yeah, a propaganda site from a christian group. there are many such channels here in US offering such miracle stories. what i don't understand, how can a well educated person fall pray to such gimmicks. unless u got a doctorate by virtue of reservation or from some petty college in a small town in south india.
nyways is ur business, there's a program called mindfreak here on a channel. the guy walks on water, floats in air, vanishes and all such tricks. i wonder if tomorrow he turns into a pastor u ll waste no time in calling him a messenger or something.
oh boy, what can i say, its a pity that in 2006 people are unable to distinguish between faith and fantasy. in the jest to be one step ahead in following what the white masters preached, some people end up being ridiculous

[jeremiah7]

A Christian doctor named Richard Eby met with an accident and suffered terrible head injuries. His skull had many fractures and his brain suffered concussions. Lying unconscious in the ICU,the Lord took him in the spirit to heaven and showed him the glories of that divine place.
His spiritual body rejoiced in heaven. The doctor who was later miraculously healed by the Lord found his spirit in heaven very different from his earthly existence. In the spirit realm in heaven nothing is destroyed or rusts or decays. Everything is new, fresh and pure. He tells of walking through a garden and seeing angels singing heavenly songs, some playing harps, others just singing. He stepped on the grass but saw that not one blade of grass was destroyed. The grass was visible through his spiritual body as if it had entered his body. The flowers and the whole atmosphere exuded the presence of God. He heard heavenly music which had no equals on earth. Angels and saints worshipped, praised and glorified God.
Not everyone has an experience like this, but these are the foretastes of the glory to be revealed to those who are faithful to God. Some people say there is no hell and no heaven. Everything ends with death on earth. This is not true. Believe it or not, Hell and Heaven exist.

[Neo]

Hinduism refers to heaven and hell as swarg and nark.
However instead of spending one's life worrying how to reach "swarg" it prescribes many ways to reach God, for eg. bhakti yog, karma yog etc. These ideas have existed since 1000s of years before they were preached by others.

"The goal of life is stated variously as the realization of one's union with God, attainment of the vision of God, attainment of perfect love of God, realization of the unity of all existence, perfect unselfishness, liberation from ignorance, attainment of perfect mental peace, or detachment from worldly desires. The goal is to have the direct experience of divinity, regardless of precisely how one may choose to define it. The experience of divinity is the only thing that can give one true peace and happiness, and salvation from suffering and ignorance. According to Hindu thought, one does not necessarily have to wait until death to attain salvation; it is possible to achieve it in this very life. One who attains salvation while living is called a jīvan-mukta."

Such is the sea of knowledge left to Hindus by the vedas. There's no need to look for answers elsewhere. Depending on one's choice and temperament several paths are prescribed for union with God.

In whatever way a Hindu might define the goal of life—and multiple definitions are allowed—there are several methods (yogas) that have been developed over the centuries for people of different tastes and temperaments. Paths one can follow to achieve the spiritual goal of life include:

1. Bhakti Yoga (the path of love and devotion),
2. Karma Yoga (the path of right action),
3. Rāja Yoga (the path of meditation) and
4. Jñāna Yoga (the path of mystical understanding).

Many relegions just copied these concepts but since they were started by mere mortals, they copied just one of these the bhakti yoga. They modified it to suit their purpose but the truth is everything stems from this basic form.

Hinduism is the only religion that prescribes Jnana Yoga for people who want to use reason and logic to question and find answers to reach God. Unlike other's there is no need to follow blindly what the priests preach you.

has been called the path of rational inquiry, and is prescribed for people to whom reason appeals more than faith.[61] The followers of jnana yoga emphasize a two-step process to help one attain salvation:

(1) viveka, the practice of discriminating between things that are impermanent (i.e., worldly pleasures) and those that are permanent (i.e. God and the soul), and

(2) vairāgya, renunciation of unhealthy attachment to things that are impermanent.[62]

"For monks (called sanyāsīs or sādhus ) and nuns (sanyāsinīs), renunciation may mean actual physical departure from worldly activities such as marriage and earning money. For the vast majority of people, however, renunciation means mental detachment from selfish desires while continuing to fulfill family and community obligations.[63] By focusing the mind on Divinity instead of the desire for selfish gain, one can maintain a healthy mental equilibrium in the face of the inevitable highs and lows of life.

It is on account of ignorance (or māyā) that humans identify themselves with their physical bodies and their egos (the sense of "I" and "mine"). These are impermanent, and thus ultimately unreal. The true "self" of every person—the only part of a person that is permanent--is the inner soul, called the atman. Further, the atman of each person is eternally connected to the atman of every other person, with God, and with all existence.

To take an analogy, each individual soul is like a wave on a shoreless ocean.[64] The ocean is the Infinite Brahman. When a person sees rightly, he comes to understand that each wave is none other than the one ocean. Similarly, the highest realization that the followers of jnana yoga strive to attain is that all living beings are essentially none other than the infinite, eternal Brahman.[65] Having this realization makes one naturally treat all people with love and compassion, since one understands that by doing good to others, one actually does good to oneself. It also removes all fear of death.

Jnana yoga is often associated with the Vedanta school of philosophy, although Hindus of the Vedanta school may incorporate elements of bhakti yoga and the other yogas into their spiritual practices as well."

When the foreign mercenaries arrived at India, hoping to preach what they thought was new, they were awe struck by the wonders of this great civilization and thats why they failed. No other country in the world survived the onslaught of these mercenaries. Iran was not a muslim nation till it was overrun by Islamic tribes. Similarly Europe had different religions before it was converted to christianity.

However despite 1000 years of rule by muslims and then 200 years by british, 800 million on these planet are still hindus. When the mercenaries realised they can't convert these people who have a history and culture they cd only dream of, they resorted to the use of deceit.

First they took as much money from India as possible. Then they targetted the weak minded. Those who were willing to be servants to the white masters. They offered lure of wealth after making the country poor. Those who were weak changed their faith. Some of them changed the faith coz the society treated them as untouchables.

Due to hindus not practising what the vedas preach and due to the mal practices of the mercenaries, the forefathers of few present day followers of other religions who were weak gave in. As they were weak minded, the progeny they made was further submissive to the white masters. For money and few words of praise they are willing to do anything for them.

[jeremiah7]

A Christian named Rebecca Springer, was taken to Heaven in the spirit when she underwent a period of great physical and mental stress in her life.
She saw little children playing gleefully under wonderful trees in Heaven. She observed that every one there wore white dresses. Great and beautiful mansions never seen on earth built for the believers were located in one section. The streets were paved with gold. There was peace and joy everywhere.
She was taken to the river of life. As she swam under water, there seemed to be no difference between water and air. Swimming under water seemed like walking on land. She could hear,breathe, talk and laugh under water too. Swimming in the river of life refreshed her spiritual body and mind greatly like no other comparable experience on earth.
The fleeting pleasures of this world are insignificant compared to the glories of heaven that God will give to his faithful.

[Neo]

ignorance is bliss!!

[jeremiah7]

A servant of God named Rasmussen describes a vision that he saw during the days that he was consecrating himself for the work of God.
He saw himself standing in an open field which had just been harvested. The night air was calm. Stars shown brightly in the sky. He praised God for the peace. Then he heard some voices coming from a distance. He could not hear what was being said. When he listened carefully, the voices seemed to be calling for help -”Please save us”“Please save us”. As he went closer and closer to the place where the voices came from, the voices grew louder. People were screaming for help. The voices reverberated in his head. When he came very close, the scene that he saw shocked him. A pit so huge that no one could measure, with blazing fire rising up and going down in it. Immunerable people screaming because of unbearable pain.As the fire rose, they rose up with the fire, when the fire went down they too sank with it.
Suddenly he noticed that he too was standing at the edge of the pit. He could fall into it any moment. He cried out loudly, “Lord. Save me.”“Lord, save me.”The Lord took him up in His arms and placed him back in the place where he stood at the beginning of the vision.
He asked the Lord, “Dear Jesus, what must I do to escape that awful experience?”
The Lord told him, “Believe in me, live for me and follow this person whom the Father has appointed to be your Counselor to lead you till eternity.” When he looked before him, he saw a great and mighty Godly form walking ahead in front of him. He ran ahead to keep pace with him; looking back he asked the Lord; “Who is that dear Jesus?”
To that, Jesus replied, “He is the Spirit of truth; he will lead you into all the truth.”

[sunilkumar]

Dr Jeremiah7 I am Repeating third time .....I want to know that do you agree on below statement... Please answer it in yes or no ....

"We live in some society where we set some parameter to live for the benefit of human race and other organism of this earth, that parameter are right, morally correct & consider as good … but with the passage of time that parameter can be consider as wrong belief and can be consider as bad for human race. "

Dr. you know what i will prove ....:D so better don't give any ari fery answer... say yes or no

[jeremiah7]

Dr Jeremiah7 I am Repeating third time .....I want to know that do you agree on below statement... Please answer it in yes or no ....

"We live in some society where we set some parameter to live for the benefit of human race and other organism of this earth, that parameter are right, morally correct & consider as good … but with the passage of time that parameter can be consider as wrong belief and can be consider as bad for human race. "

Dr. you know what i will prove ....:D so better don't give any ari fery answer... say yes or no

You can't prove anything here.
Your question is very "general"
What if I answer "yes"

[sunilkumar]

My question was very general still you took so long to answer it..:D

You agreed with my above statement .... "We live in some society where we set some parameter to live for the benefit of human race and other organism of this earth, that parameter are right, morally correct & consider as good … but with the passage of time that parameter can be consider as wrong belief and can be consider as bad for human race. "

that proves that

[1] There is no heaven & no hell.
[2] There is no wrong and no right.
[3] There is no good and no bad.

Dr. Now dont try to cheat yourself or any other people in name of religion... those who had a brahma gyan (knowledge) they all know...

[jeremiah7]

My question was very general still you took so long to answer it..:D

You agreed with my above statement .... "We live in some society where we set some parameter to live for the benefit of human race and other organism of this earth, that parameter are right, morally correct & consider as good … but with the passage of time that parameter can be consider as wrong belief and can be consider as bad for human race. "

that proves that

[1] There is no heaven & no hell.
[2] There is no wrong and no right.
[3] There is no good and no bad.

Dr. Now dont try to cheat yourself or any other people in name of religion... those who had a brahma gyan (knowledge) they all know...

By my answering "yes" you could not prove anything.

Whether you believe in Hell & Heaven doesn't change a "fact", that they exist.
And anyone, even kids will tell you that there is right & wrong, good and bad.

Do you mean to say that "just for you, the India Constitution is different?"
That even if Sunil Kumar goes against the laws, he can go scot free. No punishment". That's really funny. What makes you so special when even the President & Prime Minister have to abide by the laws.

[monica]

:rolleyes: My personal faith in God?

Well this every person’s personal belief that there is God.

I personally think if this whole world is going on. Then there must be some supernatural power which is controlling it.


There should not be argument regarding this term.I think there should not be argument regarding the existence in God and eternal truth.

[jeremiah7]

:rolleyes: My personal faith in God?

Well this every person’s personal belief that there is God.

I personally think if this whole world is going on. Then there must be some supernatural power which is controlling it.


There should not be argument regarding this term.I think there should not be argument regarding the existence in God and eternal truth.

Very true Monica, very true.

[sunilkumar]

Dr. Johnson you need more brahm (i.e. univeral) Knowledge....

What i had posted above include all the answer what you had asked.....

You said even kid can say what is wrong and right....think who teach them wrong and right... you will teach your kid whatever u like... :D....

When i say We human being set some parameter to live for the benefit of human race and other organism of this earth, that parameter are right, morally correct & consider as good … but with the passage of time that parameter can be consider as wrong belief and can be consider as bad for human race.... that all parameter are defined in law, religion, custom etc....

I hope you got it ...

[jeremiah7]

Dr. Johnson you need more brahm (i.e. univeral) Knowledge....

What i had posted above include all the answer what you had asked.....

You said even kid can say what is wrong and right....think who teach them wrong and right... you will teach your kid whatever u like... :D....

When i say We human being set some parameter to live for the benefit of human race and other organism of this earth, that parameter are right, morally correct & consider as good … but with the passage of time that parameter can be consider as wrong belief and can be consider as bad for human race.... that all parameter are defined in law, religion, custom etc....

I hope you got it ...

Dear Sunilkumar,

You said there is no good and evil, no right and wrong. That is totally wrong. Not all parameters are set by humans. God decides who is to be born and when. Why do you think some children are born normal and others with abnormalities? There are so many things that are unexplainable by humans. How do they happen?

If man was so wise, why couldn't he have predicted that a "tsunami" was going to happen on 26 Dec. a couple of years back and averted it? Where was the "Brahm Gyan" then?

[Neo]

http://india.indymedia.org/en/2003/02/3105.shtml

It's a interesting article. It talks about Gandhi ji's experience with christian missionaries in India.

I have done some evaluation of my own and tried to find out who are the people who really convert to christianity in India. Are these the well off, educated people or those who can be easily fooled. the results are pretty clear.

The missionaries mostly target the adivasis or the dalits. The reason- very simple. The adivasis are cut off from the main stream of India because of governmental neglect. By pouring in money from the vatican and catholics around the world, missionaries target these illiterate and poor people. This must be blamed on our government. Had it made efforts to improve the conditions of these people, they would not have fallen pray to such tactics.

Dalits or rather untouchables as they were called before independence were the next easy target. Again our society is to be blamed. We treated our own brothers as a lower caste and hence they fell pray to the mercenaries.
Recently, an attempt is being made to correct the same but still we loose many of them to Buddhism. Ideally religion should be the free will of every individual and I feel that if every individual has a good lifestyle and education he can not be frauded by mercenaries to convert.

After all how many Brahmins convert to catholics? None. Any one who has education, understands that what the catholic church stands for is money and only money. Christ never wanted anyone to go to a church to worship God but after his death, few people who were greedy and wanted money fooled the people to believe in crap.

I suggest you to watch the movie "Da vinci code" or read the book by the author Dan Brown. It gives a good idea of the selfishness of the vatican.
As a matter of fact, the most vociferous supporters of "jesus" are the one's who don't follow his preachings.

How many preists in the catholic church are paedophiles is not hidden from anyone. In the US, the largest catholic country in the world, this has become a big problem. Thats one of the reason why the rate of atheism is very high here. In fact in NYC, more than half the christian youth you will meet are atheists.

What has turned them away from the church? Science? No.
Its the deeds of the church. Quite interestingly, do you know who has taken over the responsibility of the church's hidden and evil agenda now? It's the second hand converts from countries like India. I call them second hand because they are not the true christians. They have no idea of the message of christ. They just have the message of "church".

If you want to know the real meaning of christianity, you should visit eastern europe. Greece or Romania or countries with Orthodox christianity. You will be surprised to find that they don't give a shit on the pope. Its a very tolerant religion and they marry with other religions without asking them to convert to orthodox religion. Unlike catholics for whom converting is a must before they marry someone froma nother religion.

In summary, let me warn you to the evil thing called catholics and chruch. They are not the same as christianity. Christianity has many followers who don't believe in what catholics believe and are much more tolerant. The message of christ is not the message of church.

"CHRIST WAS ANTI-CHURCH".

[jeremiah7]

http://india.indymedia.org/en/2003/02/3105.shtml

It's a interesting article. It talks about Gandhi ji's experience with christian missionaries in India.

I have done some evaluation of my own and tried to find out who are the people who really convert to christianity in India. Are these the well off, educated people or those who can be easily fooled. the results are pretty clear.

The missionaries mostly target the adivasis or the dalits. The reason- very simple. The adivasis are cut off from the main stream of India because of governmental neglect. By pouring in money from the vatican and catholics around the world, missionaries target these illiterate and poor people. This must be blamed on our government. Had it made efforts to improve the conditions of these people, they would not have fallen pray to such tactics.

Dalits or rather untouchables as they were called before independence were the next easy target. Again our society is to be blamed. We treated our own brothers as a lower caste and hence they fell pray to the mercenaries.
Recently, an attempt is being made to correct the same but still we loose many of them to Buddhism. Ideally religion should be the free will of every individual and I feel that if every individual has a good lifestyle and education he can not be frauded by mercenaries to convert.

After all how many Brahmins convert to catholics? None. Any one who has education, understands that what the catholic church stands for is money and only money. Christ never wanted anyone to go to a church to worship God but after his death, few people who were greedy and wanted money fooled the people to believe in crap.

I suggest you to watch the movie "Da vinci code" or read the book by the author Dan Brown. It gives a good idea of the selfishness of the vatican.
As a matter of fact, the most vociferous supporters of "jesus" are the one's who don't follow his preachings.

How many preists in the catholic church are paedophiles is not hidden from anyone. In the US, the largest catholic country in the world, this has become a big problem. Thats one of the reason why the rate of atheism is very high here. In fact in NYC, more than half the christian youth you will meet are atheists.

What has turned them away from the church? Science? No.
Its the deeds of the church. Quite interestingly, do you know who has taken over the responsibility of the church's hidden and evil agenda now? It's the second hand converts from countries like India. I call them second hand because they are not the true christians. They have no idea of the message of christ. They just have the message of "church".

If you want to know the real meaning of christianity, you should visit eastern europe. Greece or Romania or countries with Orthodox christianity. You will be surprised to find that they don't give a shit on the pope. Its a very tolerant religion and they marry with other religions without asking them to convert to orthodox religion. Unlike catholics for whom converting is a must before they marry someone froma nother religion.

In summary, let me warn you to the evil thing called catholics and chruch. They are not the same as christianity. Christianity has many followers who don't believe in what catholics believe and are much more tolerant. The message of christ is not the message of church.

"CHRIST WAS ANTI-CHURCH".

That's a good article Neo according to your evaluations. I too am averse to the Catholic Doctrines and do not vouch for that.

That last statement of yours is not totally correct though, because the "church" is actually the body of true believers who believe in Christ worldwide" and not a building as such. So you cannot make a general statement that "The message of christ is not the message of church."

Dan Brown himself says that his works are "fiction", so there is no truth in what he has written. Ask him, he'll tell you. I have read all the lies that he has written in his book. It's nothing new to me.

Here's my article on what Dan Brown has written.Please read.
http://www.freechristiangraphic.com/dd34.html

From the Doctor's Diary- 34- First Da Vinci, Now "The Gospel Of Judas"


Looks like the devil is working overtime to confuse Babes In Christ and Nominal Christians and also trying some mudslinging on Christianity, by some who know little about the Gospels, leave alone the Bible.

The Gospel means Good News, but the recent so called unearthing and publishing of untrue matter is bad news for us Christians.

First, the Da Vinci Code was served, trying to pollute the Word Of God by making ludicrous claims, that Jesus married Mary Magdalene according to the Gospel of Philip.

The book promotes these ideas:
•Jesus is not God; he was only a man.
•Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene.
•She is to be worshiped as a goddess.
•Jesus got her pregnant, and the two had a daughter.
•That daughter gave rise to a prominent family line that is still present in Europe today.
•The Bible was put together by a pagan Roman emperor.
•Jesus was viewed as a man and not as God until the fourth century, when he was deified by the emperor Constantine.
•The Gospels have been edited to support the claims of later Christians.
•In the original Gospels, Mary Magdalene was directed to establish the Church.
•There is a secret society known as the Priory of Sion that still worships Mary Magdalene as a goddess and is trying to keep the truth alive.

"The Gospel of Philip" cited as proof that Jesus and Mary Magdalene were married was produced at the end of the 3rd century AD, almost two hundred years after the Gospel of John, the last of the four New Testament gospels to be written. It is hardly part of "the earliest Christian records" that the book professes to assert. The Gospel of Philip was written most probably by Valentinus, an Egyptian gnostic teacher who taught in Rome. (Gnosticism is an term that scholars use to describe a number of religious movements in the ancient Roman world, many of which were not at all related to Christianity, all of which had several common themes: that members of the various gnostic sects had a secret knowledge not available to others)

The Gospel of Philip and The Gospel of Mary Magdalene are commonly called "gnostic" gospels by New Testament scholars and historians now. They are pseudonymous works very unreliable as historical documents and in fact contain no historical outline of events in the life of Christ whatsoever, in contrast to the canonical New Testament Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John that clearly speak in historical terms of the birth, baptism, ministry, crucifixion and resurrection of Christ.

If this wasn’t enough, now we have articles published in newspapers all over the world about "The Gospel Of Judas" which claims that it was Jesus himself who asked Judas to betray him to get a higher status than the other disciples.

I believe that there will be many more gospels coming out soon because the devil knows that his time is short.

But Christians must remember what Paul, the apostle wrote to the Corinthians and the Galatians:

"I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him. But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent's cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough." (2 Corinthians 11:2-4)

"I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel-- which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned! Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ. (Galatians 1:6-10)

Praise the Lord for those who are servants of Christ and may the Lord have mercy on those who are polluting gullible minds with a different Gospel that they may come to the knowledge of the truth.

Be on your watch Christian for "Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. Resist him, standing firm in the faith, because you know that your brothers throughout the world are undergoing the same kind of sufferings." (1 Peter 5:8, 9)

[Neo]

This was a good article according to your evaluation. I am not imposing my ideas on anyone. I am just making an evaluation. If you have answers to them fine, if not don't quote what someone else said in history.

Do you agree that the following are corrupt practices?

1. Money spent on the upkeep of vatican when millions starve in Africa?
2. Pastors being paedophiles in the house of God?
3. Christ message of offer the other cheek if hit on one not being followed by catholics?
4. Highest rate of adultery in US- totally un christ.

Obviously the one's who have been devoured by Devil are christians in greatest numbers. Do you agree?

When Madonna makes a song kissing a black christ, the church in vatican rises in condemnation. Is that proper? Couldn't jesus have been black?

Why till date there has not been a single black pope?

Chruch says that kids are God's gift. Hence any form of birth control practices makes its followers anti God. Do you think this is true?

Tell me what you think is the message of church that is relevant in today's world and that christians follow.

[jeremiah7]

This was a good article according to your evaluation. I am not imposing my ideas on anyone. I am just making an evaluation. If you have answers to them fine, if not don't quote what someone else said in history.

Do you agree that the following are corrupt practices?

1. Money spent on the upkeep of vatican when millions starve in Africa?
2. Pastors being paedophiles in the house of God?
3. Christ message of offer the other cheek if hit on one not being followed by catholics?
4. Highest rate of adultery in US- totally un christ.

Obviously the one's who have been devoured by Devil are christians in greatest numbers. Do you agree?

When Madonna makes a song kissing a black christ, the church in vatican rises in condemnation. Is that proper? Couldn't jesus have been black?

Why till date there has not been a single black pope?

Chruch says that kids are God's gift. Hence any form of birth control practices makes its followers anti God. Do you think this is true?

Tell me what you think is the message of church that is relevant in today's world and that christians follow.

When you stand before God at judgement time, he is not going to ask you what the Catholic church did or what the Vatican did. Whoever sins, God will punish them. You bother about your own salvation instead of what others are doing wrong. Are you living a perfect life that you are throwing stones at others. Jesus said, "He who has no sin, let him throw the first stone at the accused. Are you that person."

Peadophiles and murderers are there in among followers of all religions, so stop talking about that.

Aren't you bothered about your own salvation?

[Neo]

I am bothered about people telling others what they think is the correct "path". If you are bothered about your salvation why do you come out to preach here?

If everyone was bothered about one's own salvation we wouldn't be having this discussion here. Problem is, you are more bothered abt proclaiming how your's is the only way to salvation.

Tell me, yes or no, do you or don't you believe that yours (christanity) is the only "correct" religion and jesus's message the only "path" to salvation. Far worse, do you not inevitabily deny in this statement that the path to salvation as prescribed in other religions lead to hell? Yes or No again.

I am out here to expose the hypocrisy of your "attempt" at salvation. My path to salvation lies pretty clear to me and in this path jesus doesn't figure any where. Can you live with this fact without the thought of me going to "hell" not coming in ur pious mind :)

Because my friend, even though you don't share my faith, my religion din't teach me that just coz you don't believe in what I believe, I am destined for heaven and you are destined to hell. Does your religion say the same? Yes or no?

[jeremiah7]

I am bothered about people telling others what they think is the correct "path". If you are bothered about your salvation why do you come out to preach here?

If everyone was bothered about one's own salvation we wouldn't be having this discussion here. Problem is, you are more bothered abt proclaiming how your's is the only way to salvation.

Tell me, yes or no, do you or don't you believe that yours (christanity) is the only "correct" religion and jesus's message the only "path" to salvation. Far worse, do you not inevitabily deny in this statement that the path to salvation as prescribed in other religions lead to hell? Yes or No again.

I am out here to expose the hypocrisy of your "attempt" at salvation. My path to salvation lies pretty clear to me and in this path jesus doesn't figure any where. Can you live with this fact without the thought of me going to "hell" not coming in ur pious mind :)

Because my friend, even though you don't share my faith, my religion din't teach me that just coz you don't believe in what I believe, I am destined for heaven and you are destined to hell. Does your religion say the same? Yes or no?

You are fooling yourself by your wise talk. Anyway I will be praying for you and for your wife who is an orthodox christian to know the truth and I am sure that very sure you will be meeting Jesus in your life.

I never said that Christianity is the way to heaven, did I? That's only a religion and having religion doesn't take one to heaven. One must have a personal relationship with God to be able to go to heaven.

I started this thread talking about a dream of mine. I have the freedom of expressing my views. If you think differently, why don't you start your own thread and speak about it.

As I have written above,very soon, you will be confronting Jesus wherever you go.

[Neo]

You are fooling yourself by your wise talk. Anyway I will be praying for you and for your wife who is an orthodox christian to know the truth and I am sure that very sure you will be meeting Jesus in your life.

obviously there isn't any scope of fooling you, you are at the pinnacle of ignorance with ur dreams :)
have u met jesus yet Dr? If not, pls pray for yourself before praying for others. when u meet him, drop me a line and we will see. till then stop making tall claims abt ur dreams .


I never said that Christianity is the way to heaven, did I? That's only a religion and having religion doesn't take one to heaven. One must have a personal relationship with God to be able to go to heaven.

thats the hypocrisy i am talking abt. u people are never direct but as soon as i said the same thing about Krishna you brought out your real teeth :)
everything u say is implied. as i said my purpose was to expose you.


I started this thread talking about a dream of mine. I have the freedom of expressing my views. If you think differently, why don't you start your own thread and speak about it.

i told u why. because if u are on a path of personal salvation, keep it to yourself. if u put ur fantasies on a public forum, people will question it. if that irritates you, may be u shd focus more on the love all principle. if tomorrow u say that u dreamt and saved kerela from a hurricane, offcourse i will ask u if ur the only one dreaming here. are not enough dreamers present in new orleans? or may be they are all black so God flooded them with katrina ignoring ur prayers.


As I have written above,very soon, you will be confronting Jesus wherever you go.

as i said, since ur much more a devoted follower of Jesus, its you who should meet him first. talkin of personal preferences, I would prefer to meet Buddha.
As i can see, you couldn't stand my questions and want me go away. Do you want Jesus to do your unfinished task of convincing me?
Well, he doesn't carry much importance in my scheme of things. For me he was just a mortal philospher ahead of his time who said some wise things which many before him said. I will meet him like a man meets a man, not a slave a master.

who knows you will have a new messiah soon :)

[jeremiah7]

obviously there isn't any scope of fooling you, you are at the pinnacle of ignorance with ur dreams :)
have u met jesus yet Dr? If not, pls pray for yourself before praying for others. when u meet him, drop me a line and we will see. till then stop making tall claims abt ur dreams .


thats the hypocrisy i am talking abt. u people are never direct but as soon as i said the same thing about Krishna you brought out your real teeth :)
everything u say is implied. as i said my purpose was to expose you.


i told u why. because if u are on a path of personal salvation, keep it to yourself. if u put ur fantasies on a public forum, people will question it. if that irritates you, may be u shd focus more on the love all principle. if tomorrow u say that u dreamt and saved kerela from a hurricane, offcourse i will ask u if ur the only one dreaming here. are not enough dreamers present in new orleans? or may be they are all black so God flooded them with katrina ignoring ur prayers.



as i said, since ur much more a devoted follower of Jesus, its you who should meet him first. talkin of personal preferences, I would prefer to meet Buddha.
As i can see, you couldn't stand my questions and want me go away. Do you want Jesus to do your unfinished task of convincing me?
Well, he doesn't carry much importance in my scheme of things. For me he was just a mortal philospher ahead of his time who said some wise things which many before him said. I will meet him like a man meets a man, not a slave a master.

who knows you will have a new messiah soon :)

He catches the wise in their craftiness, and the schemes of the wily are swept away. (Job 5:13)

Do not be wise in your own eyes; fear the LORD and shun evil. (Proverbs 3:7)

When words are many, sin is not absent, but he who holds his tongue is wise. (Proverbs 10:19)

This is what the LORD says:

"Let not the wise man boast of his wisdom or the strong man boast of his strength or the rich man boast of his riches, but let him who boasts boast about this: that he understands and knows me, that I am the LORD , who exercises kindness, justice and righteousness on earth, for in these I delight,"
declares the LORD ." (Jeremiah 9:23,24)

[sunilkumar]

My Real Experience….

In year 2001-2002 I had given one interview in St. Xavier’s college for post of lecturer in City: - Ahmedabad., I cleared first round of that interview and college people told me to come after 5 days… At that time there was one girl she was Christian she was out in first round of interview. But after 5 day me and other candidate went there for interview for second round they told us sorry we don’t have any requirement without conducting second round…. But we all non-christian candidate come to know that we were not offered a job coz we were not Christian. The Christian girl who was out in first round was offered job…..

Yea I hadn’t got that Job coz I was not believing in Jesus.. :D Few may think that Jesus may be GOD but for me he was devil.

As per the history what I know about Nero (once who was king of Roman empire) during time of Christ… his wife was pregnant but the saint were not able to save his wife and kid, saint were saying that they can cure any one … ha ha ha :D so Nero killed many follower of Jesus… coz they were liar.

I had seen this in history channel.

[jeremiah7]

My Real Experience….

In year 2001-2002 I had given one interview in St. Xavier’s college for post of lecturer in City: - Ahmedabad., I cleared first round of that interview and college people told me to come after 5 days… At that time there was one girl she was Christian she was out in first round of interview. But after 5 day me and other candidate went there for interview for second round they told us sorry we don’t have any requirement without conducting second round…. But we all non-christian candidate come to know that we were not offered a job coz we were not Christian. The Christian girl who was out in first round was offered job…..

Yea I hadn’t got that Job coz I was not believing in Jesus.. :D Few may think that Jesus may be GOD but for me he was devil.

As per the history what I know about Nero (once who was king of Roman empire) during time of Christ… his wife was pregnant but the saint were not able to save his wife and kid, saint were saying that they can cure any one … ha ha ha :D so Nero killed many follower of Jesus… coz they were liar.

I had seen this in history channel.

Your post has nothing to do with this thread. This thread is about our afterlives, heaven and hell. Your getting a job/not has nothing to do with this post. Don't post topics that are "off" the thread. Be relevant.

Many people called Jesus "devil" even when he was alive. You have just added yourself to that list.

[Neo]

He catches the wise in their craftiness, and the schemes of the wily are swept away. (Job 5:13)

Do not be wise in your own eyes; fear the LORD and shun evil. (Proverbs 3:7)

When words are many, sin is not absent, but he who holds his tongue is wise. (Proverbs 10:19)

This is what the LORD says:

"Let not the wise man boast of his wisdom or the strong man boast of his strength or the rich man boast of his riches, but let him who boasts boast about this: that he understands and knows me, that I am the LORD , who exercises kindness, justice and righteousness on earth, for in these I delight,"
declares the LORD ." (Jeremiah 9:23,24)

Yada yada hi dharmasya,glanirbhavati
Bharatah,Abhiyutthanam dharmasya,tadatmanam srijamyaham!Paritranaya sadhunam, vinashaya cha dushkritam,Dharmasamsthapanarthaya,
sambhabami yuge yuge!!

Lord Krishna to Arjuna
(Shrimat Bhagavat Geeta)

Whenever and wherever there is decline of dharma (righteousness) and ascendance of adharma (unrighteousness), at that time I manifest Myself in visible form. For the protection of the righteous and destruction of the wicked, and for the sake of establishing dharma again, I incarnate Myself on earth ages after ages.

[Neo]

sunil, if you din't get the message, the Dr. here is finding his way to heaven and anything you shows what a hypocrite people like him are, it becomes out of context...haha

i understand the christian philosphy as practised by most for achieving heaven as follows now:

you can commit any sin on this earth against humanity but in the end if you go to the church and pray to the lord,he will give you a one way ticket straight to the seventh heaven....haha

[jeremiah7]

sunil, if you din't get the message, the Dr. here is finding his way to heaven and anything you shows what a hypocrite people like him are, it becomes out of context...haha

i understand the christian philosphy as practised by most for achieving heaven as follows now:

you can commit any sin on this earth against humanity but in the end if you go to the church and pray to the lord,he will give you a one way ticket straight to the seventh heaven....haha

You are laughing at yourself Mr. Neo not at me. So enjoy yourself.

[jeremiah7]

The story of Sadhu Sundar Singh

One hundred and twelve years ago on September 1889, Sundar Singh was born to Sher Singh of Rampur, Punjab in northern India. His mother, a deeply religious woman, nurtured him in the noble traditions of the Sikhs. Sundar often spoke of his mother with much love and respect because of the good foundation she laid for his life to come. Little did anyone know what God was about to do with this keenly intelligent and disciplined young man.

He was raised in the luxury of his family's wealth. As a Sikh, Sundar was taught about Hinduism and came along with his parents to Hindu and Sikh temples. By the age of seven he had already memorized Bhagavadgita, the intricate Hindu dialogue containing spiritual life lessons. At sixteen, not only had he mastered the Vedas, the ancient sacred books of Hinduism, but he had also read Qur'an, the sacred book of Islam. He then got acquainted with some sadhus who taught him Yoga.

A sadhu is a Hindu who devotes his entire life to his religion and forsakes all the worldly pleasures. Sundar remained single and jobless. He travelled all over India wearing a yellow robe without any food and without having any permanent residence. He lived only on the charity of others.

The life of Sadhu Sundar Singh was most remarkable in its Christ-likeness. Being born amidst the depths of Indian culture and religion, and into a Sikh family, during the early part of his life Sundar's mother would take him week by week to sit at the feet of a sadhu, an ascetic holy man, who lived some distance away in the rainforest. It was his mother who first encouraged him to become a sadhu. She once told him, "Do not be selfish and materialistic like your brothers, but seek for your peace of mind and hold steadily onto your faith. Be a sadhu." However, he never achieved peacefulness in his meditations. Owing to his mother's connections with some women from a British mission in Rajpur, Sundar was able to enter the school run by the missionaries. It was there that Sundar was first exposed to the Bible. He wasn't interested in the Bible at that time. Instead, he ardently buried himself in Hinduism and yogic practices.

His Encounter with Christ
But with the death of his beloved mother when he was only fourteen years old, his life had changed dramatically. The young Sundar grew increasingly despairing and aggressive. Convinced that what Jesus had taught was completely wrong, he tore the Bible apart and burned it. He even threw stones at preachers and encouraged others to do likewise. His hatred of the local missionaries and Christians culminated in the public burning of a Bible which he tore apart page by page and threw into the flames.

Still, however hard he tried, he couldn't find the peace he had been seeking for in his own religion. He reached a point in his life where committing suicide crossed his mind. Yet before long Sundar was intent on taking his own life. Sundar had arrived at a point of desperation: he had decided to throw himself under the Ludhiana express if God did not reveal to him the true way of peace.
Three days after he burned the Bible in front of his father, he woke up at three in the morning and went out into the moonlit courtyard for the ceremonial bath observed by devout Hindus and Sikhs before worship. He then returned to his room and knelt down, bowed his head to the ground and pleaded that God would reveal himself. Yet nothing happened. He was thinking of throwing himself in front of the train that would pass at 5 a.m. every morning behind their house, in the hope that he would find peacefulness in his future reincarnation.
He had not known what to expect: a voice, a vision, a trance? Still nothing happened, and it was fast approaching the time for the Ludhiana express. He repeated his prayer once again. He lifted his head and opened his eyes, and was rather surprised to see a faint cloud of light in the room. It was too early for the dawn. He opened the door and peered out to the courtyard. Darkness. Turning back into the room he saw that the light in the room was getting brighter. At first he feared that the room was on fire. But nothing happened. He then thought that it might be an answer to his prayer. While watching the light, he suddenly saw Jesus' figure in the radiance. To his sheer amazement he saw not the face of any of his traditional gods, but of Jesus the Christ.
Jesus Christ was there in the room, shining, radiating an inexpressible joy and peace and love, looking at him with compassion and asking, "Why do you persecute me? I died for you ..." [Acts 9:1-5] At that time, Sundar realized that Jesus was not dead but alive. Sundar fell on his knees before Him and experienced an astonishing peacefulness which he had never felt before. The vision disappeared, but peace and joy lingered within him.

Thereafter his life was transformed. He wanted to be baptized. Although his family tried to prevent him from his intention, he was determined. In 1905, on his birthday, he was baptized in an English church in Simla. At that time, he decided to become a sadhu, so that he could dedicate himself to the Lord Jesus. He was convinced that this was the best way to introduce the Gospel to his people since it was the only way which his people were accustomed to.

[Neo]

You are laughing at yourself Mr. Neo not at me. So enjoy yourself.

i donno when ur dreaming and when ur awake Dr. :)
either ways the opinion of a dellusional person doesn't matter

[Neo]

When Prime Minister Vajpayee was in the US in September (2000), the National Association of Asian Christians in the US (whom nobody had heard about before), paid $ 50,000 to the New York Times to publish "an Open Letter to the Honorable Atal Bihari Vajpayee, prime minister of India."

While "warmly welcoming the PM," The NAAC expressed deep concern about the "persecution" of Christians in India by "extremist" (meaning Hindu) groups mentioning as examples "the priest, missionaries and church workers who have been murdered," the nuns "raped," and the potential enacting of conversion laws, which would make "genuine" conversions illegal. The letter concluded by saying "that Christians in India today live in fear."

The whole affair was an embarrassment (as it was intended to be) to Mr. Vajpayee and the Indian delegation, which had come to prod American businessmen to invest in India, a peaceful, pro-Western and democratic country.

I am born a Christian and I have had a strong Catholic education. I do believe that Christ was an incarnation of Pure Love and that His Presence still radiates in the world. I also believe there are human beings who sincerely try to incarnate the ideals of Jesus and that you can find today in India a few missionaries (such as Father Ceyrac, a French Jesuit, who works mostly with lepers in Tamil Nadu) who are incarnations of that Love, tending tirelessly to people, without trying to convert them.

But I have also lived for more than 30 years in India, I am married to an Indian, I have travelled the length and breadth of this country and I have evolved a love and an understanding of India, which few other foreign correspondents have because they are never posted long enough to start getting a real feeling of this vast and often baffling country (nobody can claim to fully understand India). And this is what I have to say about the "persecution" of Christians in India.

Firstly, it is necessary to bring about a little bit of a historical flashback, which very few foreign correspondents (and unfortunately also Indian journalists) care to do, which would make for a more balanced view of the problem.

If ever there was persecution, it was of the Hindus at the hands of Christians, who were actually welcomed in this country, as they have been welcomed in no other place on this planet. Indeed, the first Christian community of the world, that of the Syrian Christians, was established in Kerala in the first century. They were able to live in peace and practice their religion freely, even imbibing some of the local Hindu customs, thereby breaking the Syrian Church in two.

When Vasco de Gama landed in Kerala in 1498, he was generously received by the Zamorin, the Hindu king of Calicut, who granted him the right to establish warehouses for commerce. But once again, Hindu tolerance was exploited and the Portuguese wanted more and more. In 1510, Alfonso de Albuquerque seized Goa, where he started a reign of terror, burning "heretics," crucifying Brahmins, using false theories to forcibly convert the lower castes, razing temples to build churches upon them and encouraging his soldiers to take Indian mistresses.

Indeed, the Portuguese perpetrated here some of the worst atrocities ever committed in Asia by Christianity upon another religion. Ultimately, the Portuguese had to be kicked out of India, when all other colonisers had already left.

British missionaries in India were always supporters of colonialism. They encouraged it and their whole structure was based on "the good Western civilized world being brought to the Pagans." Because, in the words of Claudius Buchanan, a chaplain attached to the East India Company, "Neither truth, nor honesty, honour, gratitude, nor charity, is to be found in the breast of a Hindoo!" What a comment about a nation that gave the world the Vedas at a time when Europeans were still grappling in their caves!

And it is in this way that the British allowed entire chunks of territories in the East, where lived tribals, whose poverty and simplicity made them easy prey to be converted to Christianity. By doing so, the Christian missionaries cut a people from their roots and tradition, made them look westwards towards a culture and a way of life which was not theirs.

And the result is there today for everyone to see: it is in these eastern states, some of which are 90 per cent Christian, that one finds the biggest drug problems (and crime) in India. It should also be said that many of the eastern separatist movements have been covertly encouraged by Christian missionaries on the ground that "tribals were there before the 'Aryan Hindus' invaded India and imposed Hinduism upon them."

THIS FROM THE RELIGION OF LOVE AND THE PROPAGATORS OF PEACE..HAHA..THE WORST HYPOCRITES ON THIS PLANET ARE THE CATHOLICS IN INDIA...THE SECOND HAND CONVERTS

[jeremiah7]

Death of a Guru - The Story of Rabi Maharaj

No matter how fulfilling life becomes, there are always certain regrets when one looks back. My deepest sense of loss involves my father. So much has happened since his death. I often wonder what it would be like to share it all with him, and what his reaction would be.

We never shared anything in our lives. Because of vows he had taken before I was born, not once did he ever speak to me or pay me the slightest heed. Just two words from him would have made me unspeakably happy. How I wanted to hear him say, "Rabi. Son." Just once. But he never did.

For eight long years he uttered not a word. The trance-like condition he had achieved is called in the East a state of higher consciousness and can be attained only through deep meditation.

"Why is Father that way?" I would ask my mother, still too young to understand. "He is someone very special -- the greatest man you could have for a father," she would reply. "He is seeking the true Self that lies within us all, the One Being, of which there is no other. And that's what you are too, Rabi."

Father had set an example, achieved wide acclaim, and earned the worship of many, and it was inevitable that upon his death his mantle would fall upon me. I had never imagined, however, that I would still be so young when this fateful day arrived.

When father died I felt I had lost everything. Though I had scarcely known him as my father, he had been my inspiration -- a god -- and now he was dead.

At his funeral, my father's stiff body was placed on a great pile of firewood. The thought of his body being sacrificed to Agni, the god of fire, added a new dimension of mystery to the bewilderment and deep sense of loss that already overwhelmed me.

After my father's funeral, I became a favorite subject for the palm-readers and astrologers who frequented our house. I was obviously a chosen vessel, destined for early success in the search for union with Brahman (the One). The forces that had guided my father were now guiding me.

I was only eleven and already many people were bowing before me, laying gifts of money, cotton cloth, and other treasures at my feet and hanging garlands of flowers around my neck at religious ceremonies.

How I loved religious ceremonies -- especially private ones in our own home or those of others, where friends and relatives would crowd in. There I would be the center of attention, admired by all. I loved to move through the audience, sprinkling holy water on worshipers or marking foreheads with the sacred white sandalwood paste. I also loved how the worshipers, after the ceremony, bowed low before me to leave their offerings at my feet.

While vacationing at an Aunt's ranch, I had my first real encounter with Jesus. I was walking along enjoying nature one day and was startled by a rustling sound in the underbrush behind me. I turned quickly and, to my horror, saw a large snake coming directly toward me -- its beady eyes staring intently into mine. I felt paralyzed, wanting desperately to run but unable to move.

In that moment of frozen terror, out of the past came my mother's voice, repeating words I had long forgotten: "Rabi, if ever you're in real danger and nothing else seems to work, there's another god you can pray to. His name is Jesus."

"Jesus! Help me!" I tried to yell, but the desperate cry was choked and hardly audible.

To my astonishment, the snake turned around and quickly wriggled off into the underbrush. Breathless and still trembling, I was filled with wondering gratitude to this amazing god, Jesus. Why had my mother not taught me more about him?

During my third year in high school I experienced an increasingly deep inner conflict. My growing awareness of God as the Creator, separate and distinct from the universe He had made, contradicted the Hindu concept that god was everything, that the Creator and the Creation were one and the same. If there was only One Reality, then Brahman was evil as well as good, death as well as life, hatred as well as love. That made everything meaningless, life an absurdity. It was not easy to maintain both one's sanity and the view that good and evil, love and hate, life and death were One Reality.

One day a friend of my cousin Shanti, whose name was Molli, came by to visit. She asked me about whether I found Hinduism fulfilling. Trying to hide my emptiness, I lied and told her I was very happy and that my religion was the Truth. She listened patiently to my pompous and sometimes arrogant pronouncements. Without arguing, she exposed my emptiness gently with politely phrased questions.

She told me that Jesus had brought her close to God. She also said that God is a God of love and that He desires us to be close to Him. As appealing as this sounded to me, I stubbornly resisted, not willing to surrender my Hindu roots.

Still, I found myself asking, "What makes you so happy? You must have been doing a lot of meditation."

"I used to," Molli responded, "but not any more. Jesus has given me a peace and joy that I never knew before." Then she said, "Rabi, you don't seem very happy. Are you?"

I lowered my voice: "I'm not happy. I wish I had your joy." Was I saying this?

"My joy is because my sins are forgiven," said Molli. "Peace and joy come from Christ, through really knowing Him."

We continued talking for half a day, unaware of how the time had passed. I wanted her peace and joy, but I was absolutely resolved that I wasn't going to give up any part of my religion.

As she was leaving, she said: "Before you go to bed tonight, Rabi, please get on your knees and ask God to show you the Truth -- and I'll be praying for you." With a wave of her hand she was gone.

Pride demanded that I reject everything Molli had said, but I was too desperate to save face any longer. I fell to my knees, conscious that I was giving in to her request.

"God, the true God and Creator, please show me the truth!" Something inside me snapped. For the first time in my life, I felt I had really prayed and gotten through -- not to some impersonal Force, but to the true God who loves and cares. Too tired to think any longer, I crawled into bed and fell asleep almost instantly.

Soon after, my cousin Krishna invited me to a Christian meeting. I again surprised myself by responding: "Why not?"

On our way there, Krishna and I were joined by Ramkair, a new acquaintance of his. "Do you know anything about this meeting?" I asked him, anxious to get some advance information.

"A little," he replied. "I became a Christian recently."

"Tell me," I said eagerly. "Did Jesus really change your life?" Ramkair smiled broadly. "He sure did! Everything is different."

"It's really true, Rab!" added Krishna enthusiastically. "I've become a Christian too -- just a few days ago."

The preacher's sermon was based on Psalm 23, and the words, "The Lord is my shepherd," made my heart leap. After expounding the Psalm, the preacher said: "Jesus wants to be your Shepherd. Have you heard His voice speaking to your heart? Why not open your heart to Him now? Don't wait until tomorrow -- that may be too late!" The preacher seemed to be speaking directly to me. I could delay no longer.

I quickly knelt in front of him. He smiled and asked if anyone else wanted to receive Jesus. No one stirred. Then he asked the Christians to come forward and pray with me. Several did, kneeling beside me. For years Hindus had bowed before me -- and now I was kneeling before a Christian.

Aloud I repeated after him a prayer inviting Jesus into my heart. When the preacher said, "Amen," he suggested I pray in my own words. Quietly, choking with emotion, I began: "Lord Jesus, I've never studied the Bible, but I've heard that you died for my sins at Calvary so I could be forgiven and reconciled to God. Please forgive me all my sins. Come into my heart!"

Before I finished, I knew that Jesus wasn't just another one of several million gods. He was the God for whom I had hungered. He Himself was the Creator. Yet, He loved me enough to become a man and die for my sins. With that realization, tons of darkness seemed to lift and a brilliant light flooded my soul.

After arriving home, Krishna and I found the entire family waiting up for us, apparently having heard what had happened. "I asked Jesus into my life tonight!" I exclaimed happily, as I looked from one to another of those startled faces. "It's glorious. I can't tell you how much he means to me already."

Some in my family seemed wounded and bewildered; others seemed happy for me. But before it was all over with, thirteen of us had ended up giving our hearts to Jesus! It was incredible.

The following day I walked resolutely into the prayer room with Krishna. Together we carried everything out into the yard: idols, Hindu scriptures, and religious paraphernalia. We wanted to rid ourselves of every tie with the past and with the powers of darkness that had blinded and enslaved us for so long.

When everything had been piled on the rubbish heap, we set it on fire and watched the flames consume our past. The tiny figures we once feared as gods were turning to ashes. We hugged one another and offered thanks to the Son of God who had died to set us free.

I found my thoughts going back to my father's cremation nearly eight years before. In contrast to our new found joy, that scene had aroused inconsolable grief. My father's body had been offered to the very same false gods who now lay in smoldering fragments before me. It seemed unbelievable that I should be participating with great joy in the utter destruction of that which represented all I had once believed in so fanatically.

In a sense this was my cremation ceremony -- the end of the person I had once been...the death of a guru. The old Rabi Maharaj had died in Christ. And out of that grave a new Rabi had risen in whom Christ was now living.

[Neo]

The Lost Years of Jesus:
The Life of Saint Issa

# Ancient scrolls reveal that Jesus spent seventeen years in India and Tibet
# From age thirteen to age twenty-nine, he was both a student and teacher of Buddhist and Hindu holy men
# The story of his journey from Jerusalem to Benares was recorded by Brahman historians
# Today they still know him and love him as St. Issa. Their 'buddha'

Notovitch In 1894 Nicolas Notovitch published a book called The Unknown Life of Christ. He was a Russian doctor who journeyed extensively throughout Afghanistan, India, and Tibet. Notovitch journeyed through the lovely passes of Bolan, over the Punjab, down into the arid rocky land of Ladak, and into the majestic Vale of Kashmir of the Himalayas. During one of his jouneys he was visiting Leh, the capital of Ladak, near where the buddhist convent Himis is. He had an accident that resulted in his leg being broken. This gave him the unscheduled opportunity to stay awhile at the Himis convent.

Himis Convent Notovitch learned, while he was there, that there existed ancient records of the life of Jesus Christ. In the course of his visit at the great convent, he located a Tibetan translation of the legend and carefully noted in his carnet de voyage over two hundred verses from the curious document known as "The Life of St. Issa."

He was shown two large yellowed volumes containing the biography of St. Issa. Notovitch enlisted a member of his party to translate the Tibetan volumes while he carefully noted each verse in the back pages of his journal.

When he returned to the western world there was much controversy as to the authenticity of the document. He was accused of creating a hoax and was ridiculed as an imposter. In his defense he encouraged a scientific expedition to prove the original tibetan documents existed.

One of his skeptics was Swami Abhedananda. Abhedananda journeyed into the arctic region of the Himalayas, determined to find a copy of the Himis manuscript or to expose the fraud. His book of travels, entitled Kashmir O Tibetti, tells of a visit to the Himis gonpa and includes a Bengali translation of two hundred twenty-four verses essentially the same as the Notovitch text. Abhedananda was thereby convinced of the authenticity of the Issa legend.

The lost years of Jesus map
Map of Jesus's eastern travels
Source: Summit University Press

In 1925, another Russian named Nicholas Roerich arrived at Himis. Roerich, was a philosopher and a distinguished scientist. He apparently saw the same documents as Notovitch and Abhedananda. And he recorded in his own travel diary the same legend of St. Issa. Speaking of Issa, Roerich quotes legends which have the estimated antiquity of many centuries.

... He passed his time in several ancient cities of India such as Benares.

BASICALLY JESUS WAS EDUCATED IN INDIA TO EDUCATE THE TRIBES IN THE WEST

[Neo]

A few years ago I received an e-mail from a man living in south London which said (in part), "I choose not to believe in the incredible hotchpotch of superstition which is Christianity... which is all the more understandable if you come from Northern Ireland, a place where religion has been the excuse for appalling barbarity."

This man, like so many others with whom I have spoken over the years, claims to have rejected Christianity because of what he perceives to be blatant hypocrisy on the part of Christians, historically and presently -- people who "profess what they don't possess" -- who are phony, empty, and hollow to the core.

Perhaps you, too, have felt justified in either avoiding or rejecting the Christian faith because of some instance(s) of disgusting hypocrisy that you have encountered in those identifying themselves as Christians. If so read on, as we offer four key responses to the line...

"Hey, I would never be a Christian. I mean, look at all the hypocrites in the Church!"

[jeremiah7]

A few years ago I received an e-mail from a man living in south London which said (in part), "I choose not to believe in the incredible hotchpotch of superstition which is Christianity... which is all the more understandable if you come from Northern Ireland, a place where religion has been the excuse for appalling barbarity."

This man, like so many others with whom I have spoken over the years, claims to have rejected Christianity because of what he perceives to be blatant hypocrisy on the part of Christians, historically and presently -- people who "profess what they don't possess" -- who are phony, empty, and hollow to the core.

Perhaps you, too, have felt justified in either avoiding or rejecting the Christian faith because of some instance(s) of disgusting hypocrisy that you have encountered in those identifying themselves as Christians. If so read on, as we offer four key responses to the line...

"Hey, I would never be a Christian. I mean, look at all the hypocrites in the Church!"

In one of your earlier posts, you said that it is only the adivasis that accept Christ and that too because of force.
You have nothing to say about the testimonies of sadhu sundar singh and rabi maharaj who were not adivasis but from rich influential families.

There is hypocrisy everywhere, even in your posts, because you are posting things irrelevant to this thread. Why don't you start another thread regarding hypocrisy of whatever you are interested in and we can discuss it there.

Anyway, whatever you post becomes irrelevant because God is Almighty and He can touch the hearts of many who have read my posts.

[Puneet Sood]

Perhaps God like to have the persons who are blindly following him ....oops Him? I forgot that He is supreme.
So when are talking of GOD keep the brain in the box. Just listen to what the preacher says.
Remember my dear, many things which are mentioned in the religious books are proven wrong. I only want to say that nothing should be followed blindly.
Perhaps in the human history there is no such fraud as big as religion. be it christianity, islam, hindu.
Not because they were not good, but because they did not the light of knowledge come claiming themselves to be only source of knowledge.
Please change your mindset and discuss openly. You do not have any point to mention.
Thanks

[jeremiah7]

Perhaps God like to have the persons who are blindly following him ....oops Him? I forgot that He is supreme.
So when are talking of GOD keep the brain in the box. Just listen to what the preacher says.
Remember my dear, many things which are mentioned in the religious books are proven wrong. I only want to say that nothing should be followed blindly.
Perhaps in the human history there is no such fraud as big as religion. be it christianity, islam, hindu.
Not because they were not good, but because they did not the light of knowledge come claiming themselves to be only source of knowledge.
Please change your mindset and discuss openly. You do not have any point to mention.
Thanks

Don't jump to conclusions so fast. Read all the posts carefully before posting.

I think you are following your thoughts blindly, not me. Post something relevant.

[sunilkumar]

Dr. its foolishness to change someone faith ..... so i dont want to change your faith ....
But you should have guts to listen truth.... what i said ....that

"In year 2001-2002 I had given one interview in St. Xavier’s college for post of lecturer in City: - Ahmedabad., I cleared first round of that interview and college people told me to come after 5 days… At that time there was one girl she was Christian she was out in first round of interview. But after 5 day me and other candidate went there for interview for second round they told us sorry we don’t have any requirement without conducting second round…. But we all non-christian candidate come to know that we were not offered a job coz we were not Christian. The Christian girl who was out in first round was offered job….."

This shows the actual face of your religion.... you can only convert people religion those who are poor...

As far My Religion I don't want people with blind brain.... ;)

[Neo]

In one of your earlier posts, you said that it is only the adivasis that accept Christ and that too because of force.
You have nothing to say about the testimonies of sadhu sundar singh and rabi maharaj who were not adivasis but from rich influential families.

There is hypocrisy everywhere, even in your posts, because you are posting things irrelevant to this thread. Why don't you start another thread regarding hypocrisy of whatever you are interested in and we can discuss it there.

Anyway, whatever you post becomes irrelevant because God is Almighty and He can touch the hearts of many who have read my posts.

good morning dr., new morning new faces...:)
so now ur agenda changed from salvation to convertion? hahaha

so ur posts will touch the hearts of many because you put some stories about conversions? is that how u were told u can reach salvation...what a pity..ur still far from salvation then...because there are still 800 million hindus in the country where ur white masters began their quest of conversion in the 18th century. oops i forgot...200 million muslims too...

as i said i m not interested in starting any thread on religion. my only purpose was to expose ur garb of salvation and bring out the real purpose of conversion.

i have done my job. people have seen how u began with ur dreams, continued on to discard other people's beliefs, became agitated when someone questioned ur own belief, started propaganda stories of conversions and worst tried to dissuade people from questioning ur reason by claiming jesus will confront u....

well as u see, i m not the only one here who thinks ur biased and worse stubborn to the extent not to admit ur wrong. thats because u believe that urs is the only path to salvation. urs is the only "God"

what a stupid idea. tell me is allah a god for u. OR what hindus worship as the supreme is God for u? do u have a yes or no answer.

tell the truth here and lets see how many heart u ll touch.

as for conversion, why don't u talk abt some converts away from christanity. ever heard of mohammad ali ? was cassias clay before he left the "only path to God".

[jeremiah7]

The Lost Years of Jesus:
The Life of Saint Issa

# Ancient scrolls reveal that Jesus spent seventeen years in India and Tibet
# From age thirteen to age twenty-nine, he was both a student and teacher of Buddhist and Hindu holy men
# The story of his journey from Jerusalem to Benares was recorded by Brahman historians
# Today they still know him and love him as St. Issa. Their 'buddha'

Notovitch In 1894 Nicolas Notovitch published a book called The Unknown Life of Christ. He was a Russian doctor who journeyed extensively throughout Afghanistan, India, and Tibet. Notovitch journeyed through the lovely passes of Bolan, over the Punjab, down into the arid rocky land of Ladak, and into the majestic Vale of Kashmir of the Himalayas. During one of his jouneys he was visiting Leh, the capital of Ladak, near where the buddhist convent Himis is. He had an accident that resulted in his leg being broken. This gave him the unscheduled opportunity to stay awhile at the Himis convent.

Himis Convent Notovitch learned, while he was there, that there existed ancient records of the life of Jesus Christ. In the course of his visit at the great convent, he located a Tibetan translation of the legend and carefully noted in his carnet de voyage over two hundred verses from the curious document known as "The Life of St. Issa."

He was shown two large yellowed volumes containing the biography of St. Issa. Notovitch enlisted a member of his party to translate the Tibetan volumes while he carefully noted each verse in the back pages of his journal.

When he returned to the western world there was much controversy as to the authenticity of the document. He was accused of creating a hoax and was ridiculed as an imposter. In his defense he encouraged a scientific expedition to prove the original tibetan documents existed.

One of his skeptics was Swami Abhedananda. Abhedananda journeyed into the arctic region of the Himalayas, determined to find a copy of the Himis manuscript or to expose the fraud. His book of travels, entitled Kashmir O Tibetti, tells of a visit to the Himis gonpa and includes a Bengali translation of two hundred twenty-four verses essentially the same as the Notovitch text. Abhedananda was thereby convinced of the authenticity of the Issa legend.

The lost years of Jesus map
Map of Jesus's eastern travels
Source: Summit University Press

In 1925, another Russian named Nicholas Roerich arrived at Himis. Roerich, was a philosopher and a distinguished scientist. He apparently saw the same documents as Notovitch and Abhedananda. And he recorded in his own travel diary the same legend of St. Issa. Speaking of Issa, Roerich quotes legends which have the estimated antiquity of many centuries.

... He passed his time in several ancient cities of India such as Benares.

BASICALLY JESUS WAS EDUCATED IN INDIA TO EDUCATE THE TRIBES IN THE WEST

Earlier you were quoting Dan Brown, now someone else. These are all works of fiction, no truth in them. If anyone should know about and write about Christ, it should have been someone from his native place. How can someone believe in what Russians and brahmans have written who had no contact with Jesus whatsoever.

[Neo]

Earlier you were quoting Dan Brown, now someone else. These are all works of fiction, no truth in them. If anyone should know about and write about Christ, it should have been someone from his native place. How can someone believe in what Russians and brahmans have written who had no contact with Jesus whatsoever.

may i ask with what authority ur writing so firmly about christ then??
were u born in jerusalem? what contact u had with jesus? merely that u dream?

[jeremiah7]

good morning dr., new morning new faces...:)
so now ur agenda changed from salvation to convertion? hahaha

so ur posts will touch the hearts of many because you put some stories about conversions? is that how u were told u can reach salvation...what a pity..ur still far from salvation then...because there are still 800 million hindus in the country where ur white masters began their quest of conversion in the 18th century. oops i forgot...200 million muslims too...

as i said i m not interested in starting any thread on religion. my only purpose was to expose ur garb of salvation and bring out the real purpose of conversion.

i have done my job. people have seen how u began with ur dreams, continued on to discard other people's beliefs, became agitated when someone questioned ur own belief, started propaganda stories of conversions and worst tried to dissuade people from questioning ur reason by claiming jesus will confront u....

well as u see, i m not the only one here who thinks ur biased and worse stubborn to the extent not to admit ur wrong. thats because u believe that urs is the only path to salvation. urs is the only "God"

what a stupid idea. tell me is allah a god for u. OR what hindus worship as the supreme is God for u? do u have a yes or no answer.

tell the truth here and lets see how many heart u ll touch.

as for conversion, why don't u talk abt some converts away from christanity. ever heard of mohammad ali ? was cassias clay before he left the "only path to God".

You are very angry, aren't you? Well, keep your faith and I can keep mine.

[Neo]

You are very angry, aren't you? Well, keep your faith and I can keep mine.

u din't answer the question did u? i am not angry at all. i m just having a discussion with u. i have nothing against ur faith. u dint get the point at all.
i have something against u. why are u escaping by saying i m angry. trust me i am not.

just an answer .yes or no.

[jeremiah7]

u din't answer the question did u? i am not angry at all. i m just having a discussion with u. i have nothing against ur faith. u dint get the point at all.
i have something against u. why are u escaping by saying i m angry. trust me i am not.

just an answer .yes or no.

Your posts make it so evident that you are very angry Neo. All the abuses that you have abused me with in your posts only goes to show your anger.

[jeremiah7]

Henceforth, I won't be trying conversion/anything else. I just want to share a few near/after death testimonies from people all over the world

To Heaven and Back
by Dr. Gerard Landry

Dr. Gerard Landry, an Anesthesiologist, worked twenty-seven years in medicine and had a very good life as a Christian with a wife and three children up to the time of his heart attack on March 24, 1979. The heart attack resulted in a near-death experience. The following is his account from Rita Bennett's book 'To Heaven and Back'.

Suddenly, in a flash, I couldn't think. At 4:13 pm, I was transported from the physical realm, the realm of the body, to a spiritual realm. I knew I was in another world - a world that is as real as this world is to anyone reading this. What I saw, I saw with the eyes of the spirit, because at that time my soul and my spirit were in heaven. At the time you leave the flesh, your spiritual awareness becomes acute, because the flesh holds down your spiritual awareness. At death, your spirit is released. My experience was supernatural but nonetheless real.

The first awareness was of eternity... When we die everything stops. It is like finally getting to the nanosecond, where time stops for us. Like a watch, our body stops at that time. Yet our spirit and consciousness continue to live on in a dimension beyond sequential time. We go beyond nanoseconds into a space-time measurement we cannot know here on earth. I call it the eternal now, because that is how it felt to me. The past, present, and future are all merged into what Scripture calls eternity. Eternity is the present, the now that never ends.

Truly understanding this dimension requires a joining of the human spirit to the Holy Spirit. As this connection happens, we go beyond head knowledge to heart experience. Jesus came expressly to give us this kind of life - eternal life. He told us about it. He demonstrated it. He imparted it.

Then, as if I had eyes all around my head, I saw saints, souls that were in heaven - multitudes. There was no way to count them. Whether there were millions or billions, I have no idea. As far as I could see in every direction were people of all sizes dressed in white robes. The people were transparent; I could see through them. They were behind me, across from me, all around me. They were "floating" on what appeared to be a crystal mirror or cloud or smoke. It is hard to describe these things in earthly terms, but I am trying to show you what my spirit saw. Each person was holding a crown in his or her hand. The saints were saying, "We were waiting for you."

I looked at my body and realized I was one of them. When you look at yourself and can look through yourself, it is quite an experience. I was looking at a form of my body.

Then the clouds seemed to be separating (yet they were not actually clouds), and Jesus appeared. When he appeared, he showed himself to me on the cross as if he were in the flesh, still with his nail-pierced hands and feet, the wound in his side.

To me this signified that the cross will be remembered forever in heaven and that the salvation it brings is forever.

If I tried to describe what he looked like, the color of his eyes and all, my words would be inadequate. It would be like seeing a picture and then trying to describe what it was like to experience the person.

Then Jesus glanced at me with a look of compassion, full of love and caring. A glance similar, I imagine, to the look he gave his mother, Mary, and his friend John as they waited in agony at the foot of the cross. This glance was the essence of love. I understood the fullness of the love of God at that moment. This glance must have been like the one Jesus gave Matthew at the tax collector's table. Jesus probably just stopped, looked at him, and said "Follow me."

I also saw the perfect obedience that Jesus has for his Father. He obeyed him on the cross. He died on the cross for us because he loves his Father and he loves us. In love, he became a servant for us. All the things I had read in the Bible became real to me right then.

Jesus spoke with a voice that relayed the same love his glance transmitted to me - such gentleness and tenderness. Once you hear it, you will never forget it.

He welcomed me with, "Gerry, my peace be with you" - my first name, then peace be with you. He said, "You are healed. You will feel no pain. You will have no anxiety. You will have no fears or guilt from the past. In one week you will be home from the hospital." When Jesus said, "You are healed," I thought, Lord, it is wonderful in this place. I want to stay.

He also told me that all the prayers we had prayed that morning would be answered or were right then being answered. And he said, "Go and tell your family, your friends, your fellowship, and everyone you come in contact with; tell them about my love. I want you to read the gospel of John, the first two letters of John, and all of Revelation."

"Lord," I said, "Why do you want me to do this?"

He said, "John is my friend. He knows all about my love."

I didn't fully realize what was happening - that my heart had stopped for four minutes and that I was being brought back to life. When the Lord finished talking to me, I was aware that I was back in my body. I then entered a deep coma in which I was unable to communicate or move any part of my body for more than ten hours.

[Neo]

Your posts make it so evident that you are very angry Neo. All the abuses that you have abused me with in your posts only goes to show your anger.

is it a abuse that i called u ignorant and intolerant? well yes may be but thats what the others also think here isn't it?

have u ever given a thought that why people think this way? no i guess.
well in fact i m not angry, i m disappointed. i had the highest respect for Doctors but reading ur posts i was surprised to see that u have the same opinion about other religions like pat robertson of the channel 700.

i m disappointed, not angry but yes since this is a public forum, if u put up something that is propaganda, i will counter it in no masked words.

[jeremiah7]

is it a abuse that i called u ignorant and intolerant? well yes may be but thats what the others also think here isn't it?

have u ever given a thought that why people think this way? no i guess.
well in fact i m not angry, i m disappointed. i had the highest respect for Doctors but reading ur posts i was surprised to see that u have the same opinion about other religions like pat robertson of the channel 700.

i m disappointed, not angry but yes since this is a public forum, if u put up something that is propaganda, i will counter it in no masked words.

"ignorant and intolerant" are not the only words that you have used to abuse me verbally, just go back and read your own posts and you will see how many you have used. It's ok with me, I don't take such things to heart. Jesus has taught me to bless even when people curse. So may God bless you and your family.

[Neo]

"ignorant and intolerant" are not the only words that you have used to abuse me verbally, just go back and read your own posts and you will see how many you have used. It's ok with me, I don't take such things to heart. Jesus has taught me to bless even when people curse. So may God bless you and your family.

again i see the topic being diverted. what else has jesus taught u? diplomacy? :)

we are having all this argument just because i put a reply saying Krishna is the real truth for me.

you jumped back saying Krishna is just a mythological figure.

Well Dr., tell me just one thing, jesus has taught u many good things. Has he taught u this.

Respect other religions and their belief in God even though it may not be same as urs.

A yes or no will end this discussion right now. Yes or No, doctor?

[jeremiah7]

again i see the topic being diverted. what else has jesus taught u? diplomacy? :)

we are having all this argument just because i put a reply saying Krishna is the real truth for me.

you jumped back saying Krishna is just a mythological figure.

Well Dr., tell me just one thing, jesus has taught u many good things. Has he taught u this.

Respect other religions and their belief in God even though it may not be same as urs.

A yes or no will end this discussion right now. Yes or No, doctor?

Jesus has taught me to respect people of all religions. All I do is bear my witness for Him.

[Neo]

Jesus has taught me to respect people of all religions. All I do is bear my witness for Him.

not all people..i asked if he has taught u to respect all religions? did he say that all religions are equal?

[jeremiah7]

not all people..i asked if he has taught u to respect all religions? did he say that all religions are equal?

He did not speak of religions. He spoke about His love for all people, his creations. There is no mention of "religions" in the New Testament of the Bible except the Jewish religion, so how can I say something that is not there.

[Neo]

He did not speak of religions. He spoke about His love for all people, his creations. There is no mention of "religions" in the New Testament of the Bible except the Jewish religion, so how can I say something that is not there.

So let me get it straight. Jesus din't think that its necessary for someone to convert to christianity to be loved by him?

[jeremiah7]

So let me get it straight. Jesus din't think that its necessary for someone to convert to christianity to be loved by him?

The word "Christian" was coined long after Jesus had died and was ressurected. He did not ask anyone to convert to Christianity. Now come on Neo, you are so learned. You should know the basics atleast. Or are you just chiding me?

Jesus loves everyone, you too, because the Bible says "we are his creation."

I thought I read earlier that you were a christian, or am I wrong? Sorry, if that's not right. I thought I read it in one of your posts.

[jeremiah7]

What made you turn away from Christianity, Neo?

[Neo]

The word "Christian" was coined long after Jesus had died and was ressurected. He did not ask anyone to convert to Christianity. Now come on Neo, you are so learned. You should know the basics atleast. Or are you just chiding me?

Jesus loves everyone, you too, because the Bible says "we are his creation."

I thought I read earlier that you were a christian, or am I wrong? Sorry, if that's not right. I thought I read it in one of your posts.


exactly thats the point i wanted to make. now if jesus din't say that being a christian was important, how come the story of sardar sandhu singh says that he was not able to find the peace till he converted? what is the purpose of u putting that story here? what is the point u prove. now if jesus loved sardar sandhu singh even when we was a hindu how come he din't have peace till he was baptised?

i don't know what jesus loves and what not but i know for sure that u conflict urself again and again.

I know somethngs about jesus and christianity. is it important if i am christian or not? haha

if jesus loves all, then missionaries and people like u should give up the quest of converting people and spreading stories like of sardar sandhu singh - one idiot born more than 100 years who couldn't be faithful to his own faith, what will he be to his adopted one.

As for me, as i said, i don't know what jesus was, what he really said simply coz he is dead for 2000 years.
what i hear is what the church told people, and what people like u say jesus said and what i see is the acts committed by church and people like you.
If thats what jesus was, sorry to say, he was not a messenger, just another jew who wanted to have a following.
he succeeded like alexandar but not completely coz his message is not right. no one who says only i am right is right. not jesus, not church, not you.

unfortunately, it can't be proved by arguments. you will live believing what u do and die with it. i will live believing what i believe and die with it.

i believe that Krishna sees you and smiles. he thinks here is a wayward child. when u die you will be assimilated in krishna. thats what i believe. Krishna loves u too, he is just letting a naughty kid have some fun with his wrong notions :)

[Neo]

What made you turn away from Christianity, Neo?

I am a hindu , nothing made me turn away from christianity. I watched the ten commandments, I watched the bible, i read some portions of it.

I read the life of jesus, i read da vinci code.

I have nothing against christianity. I believe its just another religion. People have a right to follow it.

I do not believe that its the only path to salvation. its just another path. a recent one. thats it.

[jeremiah7]

Forty-Eight Hours In Hell Part-1

by John W. Reynolds

One of the most interesting cases of resuscitation that ever came to my knowledge was that of George Lennox, a notorious horse thief of Jefferson County. He was serving his second term. Sedgwick County sent him to the prison the first time for a similar offense - stealing horses.

During the winter of 1887 and 1888 he worked in the coal mines. The place where he was laboring seemed dangerous to him. He reported the fact to the officer in charge, who made an examination, and deciding that the room was safe, ordered Lennox back to his work. The convict, obeying, had not continued his work more than an hour, when the roof fell in and completely buried him. He remained in this condition fully two hours.

Missed at dinnertime, a search was instituted for the missing convict, and he was found under this heap of rubbish. Life seemed extinct. He was taken to the top, and on examination by the prison physician, was pronounced dead. His remains were carried to the hospital where he was washed and dressed, preparatory for interment. His coffin was made and brought to the hospital. The chaplain had arrived to perform the last sad rites preparatory to burial. A couple of prisoners were ordered by the hospital steward to lift the corpse from the boards and carry it across the room and place it in the coffin. They obeyed, one at the head, and other at the feet and were about half way across the room when the one who was at the head accidentally stumbled over a cuspidor, lost his balance, and dropped the corpse. The head of the dead man struck the floor, and to the utter surprise and astonishment of all present, a deep groan was heard. Soon the eyes opened, and other appearances of life were manifested. The physician was immediately sent for, and by the time he arrived, some thirty minutes, the dead man had called for a cup of water, and was in the act of drinking when the physician arrived.

The coffin was at once removed and later on was used to bury another convict. His burial robes were also taken from him, and the prison garb substituted. On an examination he was found to have one of his legs broken in two places, and was otherwise bruised. He remained in the hospital some six months, and again went to work.

I learned of his peculiar experience while apparently dead soon after, from a fellow miner. Prompted by curiosity, I longed for an acquaintance with Lennox to get his experience from his own lips. This opportunity was not offered for several months. At last it came. After being removed from the mines I was detailed to one of the prison offices to make out some annual reports. The subject of this man's return to life was being discussed on e day, when he happened to pass by the office door and was pointed out to me. It was not long until I had a note in his hand, and asked him to come where I was at work. He did so, and here I got well acquainted with him, and from his own lips received his wonderful story. He is a young man, probably not over thirty years of age. He had been a hardened criminal; is possessed of a very good education, and naturally very bright.

The most wonderful part of his story was that during the time he was dead. Being a shorthand reporter, I took his story from dictation.

Said he, " I had a presentiment all the morning that something terrible was going to happen. I was so uneasy on account of my feelings that I went to my mining boss Mr. Grason, and told him how I felt, and asked him if he would not come and examine my coal room, the place where I was digging coal. He came and seemed to make a thorough examination, and ordered me back to work, saying there was no danger, and that he thought I was going, 'cranky'. I returned to my work, and had been digging away for something like an hour, when all of a sudden, it grew very dark. Then it seemed as if a great iron door swung open and I passed through it. The thought then came to my mind that I was dead and in another world. I could see no one, nor hear sound of any kind. From some cause unknown to myself, I started to move away from the doorway, and had traveled some distance when I came to the banks of a broad river. It was not dark, neither was it light. There was about as much light as on a bright, starlit night. I had not remained on the banks of this river very long until I could hear the sound of oars in the water, and soon a person in a boat rowed up to where I was standing.

"I was speechless. He looked at me for a moment, and then said that he had come for me, and told me to get into the boat and row across to the other side. I obeyed. Not a word was spoken. I longed to ask him who he was, and where I was. My tongue seemed to cling to the roof of my mouth. I could not say a word. Finally, we reached the opposite shore. I got out of the boat, and the boatman vanished out of sight.

"Thus left alone, I knew not what to do. Looking out before me, I saw two roads which led through a dark valley. One of these was a broad road and seemed to be well traveled. The other was a narrow path and led off in another direction. I instinctively followed the well-beaten road. I had not gone far when it seemed to grow darker. Ever and anon, however a light would flash up from the distance, and in this manner I was lighted on my journey.

"Presently I was met by a being that is utterly impossible for me to describe. I can only give you a faint idea of his dreadful appearance. He resembled a man somewhat, but was much larger than any human being I ever saw. He must have been at least ten feet high. He had great wings on his back. He was black as the coal I had been digging, and in a perfectly nude condition. He had a spear in his hand, the handle of which must have been fully fifteen feet in length. His eyes shone like balls of fire. His teeth, white as pearl, seemed fully an inch long. His nose, if you could call it a nose, was very large, broad and flat. His hair was very coarse, heavy and long. It hung down upon his massive shoulders. His voice sounded more like the growls of a lion in a menagerie than anything I can recall.

"It was during one of the flashes of light that I first saw him. I trembled like an aspen leaf at the sight. He had his spear raised as if to send it flying through me. I suddenly stopped. With that terrible voice I seem to hear yet, he bade me follow him; that he had been sent to guide me on my journey. I followed. What else could I do? After he had gone some distance a large mountain appeared to rise up before us. The part facing us seemed perpendicular, just as if a mountain had been cut in two and one part had been taken away. On this perpendicular wall, I could distinctly see these words, 'This is Hell.' My guide approached this perpendicular wall, and with his spear handle gave three loud rasps. A large massive door swung back and we passed in. I was then conducted on through what appeared to be a passage through this mountain.

"For some time we traveled in Egyptian darkness. I could hear the heavy footfalls of my guide and thus could follow him. All the way along I could hear deep groans as of some one dying. Further on, these groans increased, and I could distinctly hear the cry water, water, water. Coming now to another gateway, and, passing through, I could hear, it seemed, a million voices in the distance, and the cry was for water, water. Presently another large door opened at the knock of my guide, and I found that we had passed through the mountain, and now a broad plain lay before me.

"At this place my guide left me to direct other lost spirits to the same destination. I remained in this open plain for a time, when a being somewhat similar to the first one came to me; but instead of a spear he had a huge sword. He came to tell me of my future doom. He spoke with a voice that struck horror to my soul. 'Thou art in hell,' he said; 'for thee all hope is fled. As thou passed through the mountain on thy way hither, thou didst hear the groans and shrieks of the lost as they called for water to cool their parched tongues. Along that passage there is a door that opens into the lake of fire. This is soon to be thy doom. Before thou art conducted to this place of torment never more to emerge - for there is no hope for those who enter there - thou shalt be permitted to remain in this open plain, where it is granted to all the lost to behold what they might have enjoyed instead of what they must suffer.'

[jeremiah7]

Fortyeight hours in hell-Part 2

"With this I was left alone. Whether the result of the terrible fright through which I had passed I know not, but now I became stupified. A dull langour took full possession of my frame. My strength departed from me. My limbs refused to support my body longer. Overcome, I now sank down a helpless mess. Drowsiness now took control of me. Half awake, half asleep, I seemed to dream. Far above me, and in the distance, I saw the Beautiful City of which we read in the Bible. How wonderfully beautiful were its walls of jasper. Stretching out and away in the distance, I saw vast plains covered with beautiful flowers. I, too, beheld the river of life and the sea of glass. Vast multitudes of angels would pass in and out through the gates of the city, singing, oh, such beautiful songs. Among the number I saw my dear old mother, who died a few years ago of a broken heart because of my wickedness. She looked toward me and seemed to beckon me to her, but I could not move. There appeared to be a great weight upon me that held me down. Now a gentle breeze wafted the fragrance of those lovely flowers toward me, and I could now more plainly than ever, hear the sweet melody of angel voices, and I said, 'Oh, that I could be one of them.'

"As I was drinking from this cup of bliss it was suddenly dashed from my lips. I was aroused from my slumbers. I was brought back from happy dreamland by an inmate of my dark abode, who said that it was now time to enter upon my future career. He bade me follow him. Retracing my steps I again entered the dark passageway, and followed my guide for a time, when we came to a door that opened in the side of the passage, and going along this, we finally found ourselves passing through another door, and lo! I beheld the lake of fire.

"Just before me I could see, as far as the eye could reach, that literal lake of fire and brimstone. Huge billows of fire would roll over each other, and great waves of fiery flame would dash against each other and leap high in the air like the waves of the sea during a violent storm. On the crest of the waves I could see human beings rise, but soon to be carried down again to the lowest depths of this awful lake of fire. When borne on the crest of these awful billows for a time their curses against a just God would be appalling, and their pitiful cries for water would be heart-rending. This vast region of fire echoed and re-echoed with the wails of these lost spirits.

"Presently I turned my eyes to the door through which I had a few moments before entered, and I read these awful words, 'This is thy doom; Eternity never ends.' Shortly I began to feel the earth give way under my feet, and I soon found myself sinking down into the lake of fire. An indescribable thirst for water now seized upon me. And calling for water my eyes opened in the hospital prison.

"I have never told this experience of mine before for fear the prison officials would get hold of it, think me insane and lock me in the crankhouse. I passed through all of this, and I am as well satisfied as I am that I live, that there is a Heaven and there is a Hell, and a regular old-fashioned Hell, the kind the Bible tells about. But there is one thing certain, I am never going to that place any more.

"As soon as I opened my eyes in the hospital and found that I was alive and on earth once more, I immediately gave my heart to God and I am going to live and die a Christian. While the terrible sights of Hell can never be banished from my memory, neither can the beautiful things of Heaven I saw, I am going to meet my dear old mother after awhile. To be permitted to sit down on the banks of that beautiful river, to wander with those angels across the plains, through the vales and over the hills carpeted with fragrant flowers, the beauty of which far surpasses anything that mortal can imagine; to listen to the songs of the saved - all this will more than compensate me for living the life of a Christian here on earth, even if I have to forego many sensual pleasures in which I indulged before coming to the prison. I have abandoned my companions in crime, and am going to associate with good people when I am once more a free man."

[Neo]

I was brought up in the faith, so to speak. One of my earliest memories is of my grandmother helping me to accept Christ as my personal savior at age 6 or 7. She and I prayed the "sinner's prayer" in my bedroom. From that point on, I was as committed to Christ as any person I've ever met in church. I was in church every Sunday (twice) and Wednesday, was involved in Youth For Christ during junior high and high school, sang many, many solos at church and at YFC. I read through the Bible several times.

Then I went off to college. I even chose a Southern Baptist college to attend, wanting to stay close to my faith. In college, I fell away somewhat from God, but always kept coming back. I was pretty wild, into partying, sorority life, etc. However, at times, I continued to read the word, to attend church, and to pray.

During my college years, I began to have more and more questions about the validity of the Bible. I suppose I've always been a feminist, was raised that way to a certain extent (though I am not hardcore). My feminism started to increase as I got older. I found myself fighting passages in the Bible about women over and over in my head. My parents always taught me I could do or be anything I wanted, though I am a woman (I guess in Christianity, that is feminism).

But though I had doubts, after graduation from college, I got right back to following God, and was in church every Sunday, again. I even taught junior high Sunday School for a year. Again, I was very active and very committed to god. I read the bible daily and prayed.

A little more than a year after graduation from college, I met a young man who was a missionary for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. He was so handsome, and so committed to his beliefs. I didn't think they were that different from Christians, though my family and especially my pastor and grandma were quite upset about my conversion to Mormonism, particularly when he baptized me into the LDS Church. I left the baptist church and started attending the Mormon church. After a few months, when he returned home, I moved to Utah to be close to him, and we planned to get married.

A year after I moved, we did marry, in the LDS Temple in Salt Lake City. What an eye opener!! My experience receiving my endowments in the temple was so disappointing and frightening. I left the temple, weeping, because it was so unlike the high spiritual experience I had expected. Instead, we wore strange clothing, made silly handsigns at one another, and they demeaned the clergy of other religions. I had to take off my clothes and wearing nothing but a sheet, be blessed by an older woman I didn't know. They gave me my garments, which I was to wear always, next to my skin. I was given a spiritual name, "Priscilla," and told that if he chose, and I was faithful, my husband would use that name to call me into the Celestial Kingdom. Also, I was told that if I broke the oaths I made there, ever, I would be handed over to Satan for all eternity. I could not get over my feelings of disappointment & the feeling that I was being trapped in something which would never fit me.

In spite of my bad experience there, I tried to settle down and be faithful. I married my husband there two days after my endowments. My own parents/relatives were not able to see my marriage vows, but had to wait in a waiting room while my husband and I pledged ourselves to one another for time and all eternity. My husband and I were married for one year. For the first nine months, I continued to be faithful, reading the Book of Mormon and other "inspired" works of the LDS Church. However, over time, I gradually lost faith in the entire business. It began to seem more and more far-fetched to me as time went by. I could not believe that Joseph Smith, Jr. really was a prophet, though I could believe he was a philanderer and drunk, who probably did see visions, or at least made them up. Perhaps he was mentally ill ... or it was a scam to make money. Any of these are likely possibilities in my opinion, though I guess we'll never know.

Finally, I lost all faith in the LDS Church. As my faith disintegrated, so did my marriage. I worked hard, selling advertising, but my husband was never pleased with me. I cooked, I cleaned, I groveled, I even brought home a paycheck, but nothing was good enough. He constantly demeaned me, and considered me "fortunate" to have him, given my "fallen state" prior to meeting him. Finally, when I decided that I could no longer, in good conscience, attend the LDS Church, this sparked a fight in which he knocked me down and punched me in the face. That was it!!! I left him and the church, though out of my weakness, we did attend a final counseling session with a Bishop, in which I was told that if I had "fulfilled my role" of bearing children for him, rather than working outside the home, he would not have felt he had to beat me. That was pretty much the end, and it was easy for me to walk away from both the Church and him after that.

I moved away, about 50 miles north, and went back to the Southern Baptist Church, attending a church near where I lived. There, I met my present husband in the "singles" class. We were married a few months after we met. We were very active in church. He sang solos and in the choir, we taught Sunday school together (adults & children). Our church split over the issue of the role women would be allowed to play. The extreme fundies won, women were stripped of all leadership roles in the church, and men were put into the roles they had held. Women were allowed only to teach children, that was the only place they were allowed to serve, aside from cooking for activities and cleaning the church building. I could not believe that was the role women were supposed to play, after all, I remember thinking, "Why did God give me a brain or a voice if I'm never supposed to use them?"

If I were to trace my loss of faith back, that was the beginning of the end for me, though it has taken years for me to honestly admit to myself or anyone else that I no longer believe in the Bible or in the god of the Bible. However, though I started to have doubts and questions, we continued on, and I kept trying to have a relationship with God, in spite of my hurt, disappointment and grief.

After that church split, we left to get out of the hatred and dissension, and joined another church, where we also taught Sunday School again, and my hubby sang in the choir.

Two years ago, I was given a project at work to research paganism and write an article on it. In my world view, there was only one "God," the rest were myths and fairytales. I started studying Wicca, Asatru, Druidism, and other neo-pagan paths. Suddenly, I came to the realization that there were more paths that I was aware of. I could not believe that people who didn't pray the "sinners prayer" were doomed to be burned in hell for all eternity. There were too many people on the face of the earth who had never heard of God. And, there were many gods and goddesses that people had worshipped for thousands of years. MOst were not nearly as bloodthirsty or ruthless as the one I had been worshipping all my life and calling "good."

I studied and read, and began by looking at biblical errancies, then moved onto other historical issues. Finally, I could no longer believe in the story of the Bible, or in the story that Jesus Christ had died for my sins.

Was there a Jesus? I don't know. Perhaps there was a man who wished to reform Judaism, who lived 2000 years ago, and was put to death. I don't find that at all farfetched. Would he wish to be worshipped today? I don't think so. I suspect he was trying to point his disciples to a clearer way of worshipping their god, Yahweh.

Just like the LDS Church has built up their own dogma and "canonization" process with Joseph Smith, so I believe it must have happened 2,000 years ago with Christ. After all, most of what Christians consider scripture was not written within the lifetimes of people who actually knew Jesus. Additionally, there is only one historical reference to this man who was "more influential than any other" in Josephus, and most reputable scholars consider it forged--as the LDS Church has revised and changed the Story of Joseph Smith time and time again.

Just as the Mormon Church has grown to over 10 million members in 150 years, so the "Christian" church grew quickly and picked up followers. Why were his (Jesus's) disciples willing to die for him? I don't know, but perhaps David Koresh's disciples, or the followers of Heaven's Gate or Jim Jones could tell us about that type of sacrificial fanaticism. Do the deaths of Joseph and Hyrum Smith make Mormonism true? Hardly. Do the deaths of the followers of Christ make Christianity true? Far from it.

It may sound as if I'm angry or bitter toward Christianity or Mormonism. I am not. I just do not want to throw my life after a lie anymore. Is there a God? I do not know. Is there a higher power which shapes our days? I hope so, but it is not the god of the Bible. That is why I say I am both pantheist/agnostic. I am a hopeful agnostic, at best, but I believe that there is no all-powerful god watching over our days. As to the rest, I simply don't know. What I do know, however, is that I am no longer a Christian. I didn't leave because of sin, or pride, or any of the reasons people who read this will choose to think (I know, I thought this way for years). I left because it was no longer reasonable or logical to remain. And, if my brain is not sufficient to grasp the concept of God and understand it, then that further argues that there is no God.

Do you know me? I've learned, since I lost faith, that there are many like me. Am I in your church? I'd say it's likely.

[jeremiah7]

I was brought up in the faith, so to speak. One of my earliest memories is of my grandmother helping me to accept Christ as my personal savior at age 6 or 7. She and I prayed the "sinner's prayer" in my bedroom. From that point on, I was as committed to Christ as any person I've ever met in church. I was in church every Sunday (twice) and Wednesday, was involved in Youth For Christ during junior high and high school, sang many, many solos at church and at YFC. I read through the Bible several times.

It may sound as if I'm angry or bitter toward Christianity or Mormonism. I am not. I just do not want to throw my life after a lie anymore. Is there a God? I do not know. Is there a higher power which shapes our days? I hope so, but it is not the god of the Bible. That is why I say I am both pantheist/agnostic. I am a hopeful agnostic, at best, but I believe that there is no all-powerful god watching over our days. As to the rest, I simply don't know. What I do know, however, is that I am no longer a Christian. I didn't leave because of sin, or pride, or any of the reasons people who read this will choose to think (I know, I thought this way for years). I left because it was no longer reasonable or logical to remain. And, if my brain is not sufficient to grasp the concept of God and understand it, then that further argues that there is no God.

Do you know me? I've learned, since I lost faith, that there are many like me. Am I in your church? I'd say it's likely.

So have you become a hindu now? That's what you posted in the post before this one isn't it? But you also say you are an agnostic! I can't understand that.

I really felt sad reading your story, but I know that Jesus has a plan for your life. I'll be praying for you. Leaving my dreams aside, what do you think about the after life experiences that I have quoted. Can they be true?

[Neo]

So have you become a hindu now? That's what you posted in the post before this one isn't it? But you also say you are an agnostic! I can't understand that.

I really felt sad reading your story, but I know that Jesus has a plan for your life. I'll be praying for you. Leaving my dreams aside, what do you think about the after life experiences that I have quoted. Can they be true?

hell no Dr. what do u think i have time to write such elaborate crap stories as you...haha....and what kind of reading do you do...the story is about a woman....nyways....the story was meant to touch the hearts of people...

to tell them how christians feel cheated by the church and how the path to God as told by the chruch sucks...

i m sorry but probably u need to improve ur comprehension skills...:)

Jesus has no plans for anybody dear...but yes Lord Krishna has plans for everyone...including run away from faiths like you....

tell me Dr. Why did your forefathers run away from hinduism?
Do you know or its too many centuries since that happened..was that when the british came to India? Were they under pressure? Did they get some jobs at a british missionary or a clerk's position after taking the faith?
You won't know would you?

Or will it be another lecture on the light "jesus" showed you in your dreams..

Anyways, you asked my opinion on life after death so I will give you that too.
I believe every human has a soul and after that the soul is released. Depending on his karma on earth, the soul wanders or finds peace in its final resting place which is Krishna.

Even jesus when he died, went straight to Krishna...and he is close to him, because he was a good man. It is upto Krishna to decide what happens of Jesus. May be he will be given a second life on earth. This time when he comes back he will talk about his experiences after death and the supreme truth Krishna. and then you will have to again convert...hahaha

i pity u dr.

[jeremiah7]

hell no Dr. what do u think i have time to write such elaborate crap stories as you...haha....and what kind of reading do you do...the story is about a woman....nyways....the story was meant to touch the hearts of people...

to tell them how christians feel cheated by the church and how the path to God as told by the chruch sucks...

i m sorry but probably u need to improve ur comprehension skills...:)

Jesus has no plans for anybody dear...but yes Lord Krishna has plans for everyone...including run away from faiths like you....

tell me Dr. Why did your forefathers run away from hinduism?
Do you know or its too many centuries since that happened..was that when the british came to India? Were they under pressure? Did they get some jobs at a british missionary or a clerk's position after taking the faith?
You won't know would you?

Or will it be another lecture on the light "jesus" showed you in your dreams..

Anyways, you asked my opinion on life after death so I will give you that too.
I believe every human has a soul and after that the soul is released. Depending on his karma on earth, the soul wanders or finds peace in its final resting place which is Krishna.

Even jesus when he died, went straight to Krishna...and he is close to him, because he was a good man. It is upto Krishna to decide what happens of Jesus. May be he will be given a second life on earth. This time when he comes back he will talk about his experiences after death and the supreme truth Krishna. and then you will have to again convert...hahaha

i pity u dr.

Don't pity me Mrs/Mr Neo! pity yourself.
When Jesus died, he went straight to Krishna. What a joke. Don't fool yourself.
Second life. You are cracking many jokes and laughing at yourself, not me.

[Neo]

Don't pity me Mrs/Mr Neo! pity yourself.
When Jesus died, he went straight to Krishna. What a joke. Don't fool yourself.
Second life. You are cracking many jokes and laughing at yourself, not me.

Oh no not at all a joke. This is what the Geeta says

18. "All manifest beings are born from the subtle body of Brahma at the outset of his day and are also dissolved in the same unmanifest body at the fall of his night.’’

So yes, Jesus christ went straight to where he came from :) Its not me who is saying this. Its the Bhagwad Geeta.

I am not asking you to believe this Mr. I am stating what i believe. Just as you believe Jesus loves me, I believe Krishna loves Jesus. For Krishna, he was another of his sheep. When the time comes all of us have to return to his herd :)

bhaj Govindam, bhaj Gopalam....

[jeremiah7]

Oh no not at all a joke. This is what the Geeta says

18. "All manifest beings are born from the subtle body of Brahma at the outset of his day and are also dissolved in the same unmanifest body at the fall of his night.’’

So yes, Jesus christ went straight to where he came from :) Its not me who is saying this. Its the Bhagwad Geeta.

I am not asking you to believe this Mr. I am stating what i believe. Just as you believe Jesus loves me, I believe Krishna loves Jesus. For Krishna, he was another of his sheep. When the time comes all of us have to return to his herd :)

bhaj Govindam, bhaj Gopalam....

You are totally confused Neo. In your earlier post you said Jesus went to Krishna, now you are saying he went to Brahma. You better decide or check your sacred scriptures properly. Now it's you who are dreaming. Enjoy your imaginations. next you will say Jesus went to someone else when he died. Take some time and decide. And don't try cheap tricks to post as a male and a female in different posts.

[Neo]

You are totally confused Neo. In your earlier post you said Jesus went to Krishna, now you are saying he went to Brahma. You better decide or check your sacred scriptures properly. Now it's you who are dreaming. Enjoy your imaginations. next you will say Jesus went to someone else when he died. Take some time and decide. And don't try cheap tricks to post as a male and a female in different posts.

hahaha i knew u ll come with this ...thats because you are not enlightened.

Its not the name or the form that's important. its the supreme. what you second hand converts don't understand is the basic philosophy of hinduism

all in one and one in all...so don't put too much pressure on ur dreamy brain...:)

i ll enlighten you...

3. "The wise man among mortals, who knows my reality as the birthless, eternal, and supreme God of the entire world, is freed from all sins.’’

so yes Jesus went straight to Krishna, Brahma, by whatever name you call it...for you are different for the true believer are all the one and same...

you will go there too because Krishna loves you too..you are just a misguided mind...will come to realise the truth when you die...:)

[jeremiah7]

hahaha i knew u ll come with this ...thats because you are not enlightened.

Its not the name or the form that's important. its the supreme. what you second hand converts don't understand is the basic philosophy of hinduism

all in one and one in all...so don't put too much pressure on ur dreamy brain...:)

i ll enlighten you...

3. "The wise man among mortals, who knows my reality as the birthless, eternal, and supreme God of the entire world, is freed from all sins.’’

so yes Jesus went straight to Krishna, Brahma, by whatever name you call it...for you are different for the true believer are all the one and same...

you will go there too because Krishna loves you too..you are just a misguided mind...will come to realise the truth when you die...:)

Enlighten yourself, not me.
You keep calling me a second hand convert. What are you third/fourth hand?
You are not sure to whom Jesus went after dying, so now you are generalising it.

You are contradicting your own posts. In one post you are male, in another you are female. In one post you are a born baptist converted to Mormon and then become an agnostic, in another you are a follower of Krishna/Brahma whichever. You tell me I am dreaming and hallucinating. The readers can understand clearly who is hallucinating.

[Neo]

Enlighten yourself, not me.
You keep calling me a second hand convert. What are you third/fourth hand?
You are not sure to whom Jesus went after dying, so now you are generalising it.

You are contradicting your own posts. In one post you are male, in another you are female. In one post you are a born baptist converted to Mormon and then become an agnostic, in another you are a follower of Krishna/Brahma whichever. You tell me I am dreaming and hallucinating. The readers can understand clearly who is hallucinating.


Me..i was born a hindu brahmin ...educated about vedas and Geeta..I don't need to convert to some stupid beliefs...when ultimately everyone is going to where i know they will...all this stupidity of ppl like u will vanish when u come to the "actual" truth...Krishna...



And dear people are not stupid like you...the posts that you are referring to are in response to your stories about sardar sandhu singh...they are from a website about the experiences of a woman who was disillusioned by church...
if you can't understand that what can i say...show how clever you are...:)

well others on this forum understand it coz as u see its not me who is getting the flak here...how many ppl here have called me dumb...and how many have called u idiot...wanna count..??

[jeremiah7]

Me..i was born a hindu brahmin ...educated about vedas and Geeta..I don't need to convert to some stupid beliefs...when ultimately everyone is going to where i know they will...all this stupidity of ppl like u will vanish when u come to the "actual" truth...Krishna...



And dear people are not stupid like you...the posts that you are referring to are in response to your stories about sardar sandhu singh...they are from a website about the experiences of a woman who was disillusioned by church...
if you can't understand that what can i say...show how clever you are...:)

well others on this forum understand it coz as u see its not me who is getting the flak here...how many ppl here have called me dumb...and how many have called u idiot...wanna count..??

You did not mention that it was someone else's testimony. It was like you were posting and everyone will acknowledge that.

You called me idiot and dumb and stupid because there is anger inside of you. That is very evident. As you say, we speak what we are taught. Very true. Our words show how we really are.

[Neo]

You did not mention that it was someone else's testimony. It was like you were posting and everyone will acknowledge that.

You called me idiot and dumb and stupid because there is anger inside of you. That is very evident. As you say, we speak what we are taught. Very true. Our words show how we really are.


you think i have the time to write all that ..haha i just copy pasted from the web...its fool of ppl disillusioned by ur faith....

if your words show what you are..then ppl know why i call u stupid

and offcourse you are an extremist, intolerant of other religions...and i guess whats christ taught u....what does it make him? :)

[jeremiah7]

you think i have the time to write all that ..haha i just copy pasted from the web...its fool of ppl disillusioned by ur faith....

if your words show what you are..then ppl know why i call u stupid

and offcourse you are an extremist, intolerant of other religions...and i guess whats christ taught u....what does it make him? :)

More angerand sarcasm, so no more replying to your posts.

[Neo]

More angerand sarcasm, so no more replying to your posts.

Holy virgin Mary...:) finally....!! thank u..!!

[jeremiah7]

The following is a brief summary of Dr. George Ritchie's near-death experience. You can read his NDE testimony in its entirety in his ground-breaking books Return From Tomorrow and his follow-up book Ordered to Return: My Life After Dying.

In December, 1943, George Ritchie died of pneumonia. Nine minutes later, miraculously and unaccountably, he returned to life to tell of his amazing near-death experience in the afterlife.

George leaves his body and sees it lying in his bed. He is not aware the dead body in his bed is his. Wanting eagerly to travel to Richmond, Virginia to start college, he finds himself flying in the air toward a city. He is not sure how he acquired these strange powers of flight and transparency. He arrives at a city and discovers he has lost his solidness. He flies back to the hospital and sees his lifeless body in the morgue and realizes he has died.

Suddenly, Jesus appears emitting a tremendous light and love. George's entire life appears before him. Jesus asks, "What have you done with your life?" He realizes Jesus is not judging him, but he is judging himself.

Jesus gives him a tour of four different dimensions in the afterlife. They both fly toward a large city on earth where they notice a group of assembly-line workers at work. He witnesses the spirit of a woman trying desperately to obtain a cigarette from the workers who are oblivious to her presence. This woman died severely addicted to cigarettes.

In a house, Jesus shows him the spirit of a boy following a living teenage girl and begging for forgiveness while the girl is completely unaware of the boy's presence. Jesus tells George that the boy committed suicide and is "chained to every consequence of his act."

Jesus shows George a bar filled with sailors who are heavily drinking. Spirits try desperately and in vain to get a drink or to control the sailors' alcoholic behavior. These spirits are from humans who die severely alcoholic. He is horrified as he observes a drunken sailor pass out and an alcoholic spirit jump into the body of the sailor.

Jesus takes him to a new dimension away from earth and shows him a kind of "receiving station" where spirits would arrive in a deep hypnotic sleep because of their beliefs. These are spirits who believe they must sleep after death until Jesus returns.

Jesus shows him a dimension where angry spirits are locked in hand-to-hand combat, trying in vain to hurt each other. He hears verbal abuse going on. He observes some trying in vain to get sexual gratification from each other. He also sees spirits arguing over some religious or political point and trying to kill the ones who did not agree with them. Here, he realizes he is seeing hell. These are spirits who are locked into some earthly desire that went beyond the physical and which cannot be satisfied in the spirit.

He is then taken to a different dimension appearing like an enormous university. Here he observes people dressed as monks engaged in some form of artistic behavior or research. He is taken into an enormous library where all the important books of the universe are assembled. He asks Jesus if this is heaven. He replies that these are the people who grew beyond selfish desires while on earth. George realizes these people cannot see Jesus, just as the others could not see him in hell.

Jesus takes him into outer space toward a distant city made of brilliant light of a similar description to the city in the Book of Revelation. He speculates this is the place where people go who have become Christ-like while on earth. Here, love was the dominant focus of life. He realizes he is seeing heaven, but he is not allowed to go in. Jesus then shows him the future of the earth. He then returns to his physical body.

[Neo]

Here are a few quotes form the book of God, Shrimad Bhagwad Geeta.
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10. "Hrishikesh then, O Bharat (Dhritrashtr), with a smile as it appeared, spoke thus to him (Arjun) who sat mournfully between the two armies.’’


Krishn, knower of secrets of the innermost heart (Hrishikesh), speaks smilingly to the grieving Arjun:



11. "The Lord said, Although sorrowing over those who ought not to be grieved for, you yet speak wise words; but the discriminating mourn over neither the living nor those who are dead.’’’

Krishn tells Arjun that while he grieves for those who are unworthy of such grief, he also speaks words of wisdom, but men of discernment mourn neither for those whose souls have departed nor for the ones who are living. They do not grieve for the living because they shall also die. That means that Arjun only talks like a wise man; he does not know the reality, since-



12. "It is not that either you or I, or all these kings, did not exist in the past, nor is it that our being will come to an end in the future.’’

It is not, Krishn explains, that he, the accomplished teacher, or Arjun-the devoted pupil, or all these kings with the vanity that is characteristic of rulers of men, did not exist at any time in the ages to come. The accomplished teacher is for ever, and so are affectionate disciples as well as rulers who symbolize the perversions of passion and moral blindness. Here, besides throwing light on the permanence of Yog in general, Yogeshwar Krishn has particularly stressed its existence in the future. Explaining why the dead should not be mourned over, he says:



13. "Since the embodied Spirit passes through infancy, youth, and old age in the body, and then transmigrates into another body, men with steadfast minds do not grieve over his passing away.’’

As the embodied soul waxes from childhood to youth, then wanes to old age, and assumes one new body after another, wise men are not prey to infatuation. At some time a man is a boy and then he grows into a young man. But does he die by this? Then he grows old. The Self is ever the same; only the condition of the physical body in which he resides goes on changing. There is no crack in him when he changes over to a new body. This change from one physical body to another will continue until the Soul is united with the Supreme Spirit who alone is beyond all change.

[jeremiah7]

Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:11-15)(Holy Bible)

[stafin]

jesus is coming very soon

[Puneet Sood]

Really,
christians are waiting for Jesus
Hindus are waiting for new awatar of Lord
Muslims are waiting for allah
and so on.
I only request you to concentrate on the matter of welfare of humanbieng.
Let the God do his own duty and we must mind our duty.
I do not now why this type of God wants that every human being should remember him instead of doing his duty.
Please stop this kind of discussion
It is leading to nowhere.
Stop this.

[rohit khaitan]

You cant really blame jeremiah for all this.
After all he needs God more than anyone else.

Only God can save him.:D

[rohit khaitan]

Jermeiah was once asked "why did the chicken cross the road?

He being a Gods messenger replied this way

And God came down from the heavens, and He said unto the chicken, "Thou shalt cross the road." And the chicken crossed the road, and there was much rejoicing.

:D :D

[sunilkumar]

I am waiting for my Fairy (Paree) ...

God is rude he made no Fairy for me .....

He kept all angle & fairy with him only....

Where is she ... can any god give me my Fairy (paree) ?.............:D