Why are Indians so hostile to China?

[Jonathan]

I'm Chinese and this is my first post here. I've been pretty shocked lately by some of the Indians on the internet. I heard that China's president Hu Jintao was visiting India this week, so I went to a couple of popular Indian news websites (Rediff.com; ibnlive.com) to gauge the common Indian attitude toward China and the Chinese people. Frankly, it's difficult for me as a Chinese to understand the venomous hostility that these comments possess. I can guarantee that the Chinese have no such reciprocal feelings to the Indians, and that is especially why I am stung by these attacks.

Out of 100 comments, only 1 or 2 were friendly to China and the Chinese, and I think they were Chinese too. Indians should realize that English is an international language and there are 200 million internet users in China, many of whom can read English (though not speak).


Here's a sample of the nearly unanimous comments Indian posters wrote on Rediff's message boards (http://mboard.rediff.com/board/board.php?boardid=news2006nov15china&page=1):


kailash: "china is old devil.once again indian emotions will get kicked."

K: "The Chinese are the most selfish and racist people ever. They are greedy and have a massive superiority complex. They also believe in having a better culture and tradition and pretty much claim everything as their invention. They are a race who have perfected Reverse Engineering. Thats the only credit I give the Parasites, Trust never."

infidel: "The Chinese as a people and as a nation have a reputation of being cunning and back-stabbing. No nation trusts China completely and we will be the biggest fools if we do even after being on the wrong side of their gun for so many years."

VSingh: "The chinese are not to be trusted ever and that should be firmly engrained in the minds of every indian."

prakash: "i can say we should not believe / trust china. They are very self centered and do and change their words once their work is over. they change their stand acording to their requirments and change words what they have commited or communicate earlier. "

Atul Sabnis: "Chineses are Expert Back Stabbers, we have experienced this once & to face the same again would be too foolish for us. "

Sumedh: "We can't trust China. Chinese are communists and communists are greedy for land. "

Vishnu Sharma: "There will be NO compromise with these "Untermenschen" "Chinese Subhumans""

Swapan: "Trusting China is like trusting a Hyena. A hyena tirelessly looks out for the lethal strike, so does China - even when they do not deserve"

Lily Lin: "I am a chinese girl, i am so surprise that you indian hate chinese so much. In most of chinese mind, india is a beautiful and friendly country, although there was a war between our two country. there are many indian students is studying in my university, and we chinese people always be friendly to them , do our best to help them. "

Hari: "the only thing straight about the chinese is their hair"

GR: "They are the cunniest people on earth. they will do anything to have a gain,.... human rights, moral value, ethics are not in their books."

[Jonathan]

I hope the above comments do not accurately reflect the general mindset of Indians toward China and the Chinese. We Chinese tend to view India as the land of Ghandi and humbleness. Instead, the comments above reflect racism, paranoia and abject disrespect.

[rohit khaitan]

I dont think jonathan s a chinese name.

Still i will inform u that some people here masked as chinese posted lots of anti india slogans and provoked people to write against china.

I think China is one neighbour that is closest to us.

[Jonathan]

Still i will inform u that some people here masked as chinese posted lots of anti india slogans and provoked people to write against china.

That's simply not true at all. You know it's not true. Most Chinese could not even recognize the Indian flag, they have very little negative or positive passion towards India. All "anti-India" statements stem first from misinformed anti-China statements or from exaggerated claims of India surpassing China. An evidence-based rebuttal against anti-China statements should not be considered as "anti-India."

I've been reading the posts on several Indians forums and discussion boards. Clearly it is the Indians who have been provoking the Chinese through racist, disrespectful and ignorant comments such as those quoted in the topic post. As in the Rediff news discussion board, for every 1 pro-Chinese post there is 100 anti-Chinese posts, and the pro-Chinese posts are usually well-reasoned and factually informed. The Chinese posters on this board typically post economic statistics and news sources, which are independently verifiable. Whereas many anti-Chinese Indians across many Indian boards use racial and anti-Communist attacks against the Chinese.


I dont think jonathan s a chinese name.
You should know that every young Chinese person has a casual English first name. Chinese culture traditionally allows multiple style names across a person's life. Sun Yatsen's self-chosen Japanese name was Nakayama Sho. This is a normal thing for Chinese people.

[rohit khaitan]

You dont know what ur talking.

Your post was not at all relevant to what i said. I said that most people here post anti india india slogans are not chinese.

And you say thats not true. (do u mean to say they all r chinese??) No chinese in sane mind would say that. :)

[observer]

Those Indians became angry because Chinese ambassador to India had spoilt the atmosphere before Chinese President Hu Jintao's arrival by laying claims on the Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh. Plus many posters claiming to be Chinese have been posting rude things about India on the internet. Seems these Indian posters have also read them .

[snower]

Arunachal Pradesh is chinese soil. the native people there are all tibetan like people.

If india do not return it to china, hehe, china has many cards to play with india, we are not hurry. hehe. india can wait to suffer. because on this earth, china actually don't need india, we can just apply continuous millitary pressure on indian north border, that would give a heavy burden to india's development, while cost nothing to china, hehe, we don't have anything treasure in tibet. while new dehli is just seveal hundreds km from the border. think about it, hehe.

you finally would realise that occupying chinese soil is very costive. hehe.

[rohit khaitan]

:rolleyes: {snower: " he he" "he he" "he he".} So the chinese govt discussed all its cards with u? Your president must have invited u that come mr. snower lets discuss the strategies on india. {"he he" he he"}

Were u born upside down from ur mothers womb?? Or did u father eat a mad chicken and then gave birth to u??

[jingjun]

I am a Chinese and am new to this board. I'd like to apologize to all the Indians on this board for the rude things said by people like "snower". Some people just want to stir up more hatred between our two countries. They pose as Chinese, in fact they could be spies for any other country. I would strongly advice all the posters here ignore them. This is an Indian board, we Chinese here should listen and learn, only comment on things concerning China. Politeness is regarded as a virtue by Confucious, a Chinese sage. Anyone who does not show basic courtesy towards his neighbor while visiting the neighbor's house is not a true Chinese.

[jingjun]

I am a Chinese and am new to this board. I'd like to apologize to all the Indians on this board for the rude things said by people like "snower". Some people just want to stir up more hatred between our two countries. They pose as Chinese, in fact they could be spies for any other country. I would strongly advice all the posters here ignore them. This is an Indian board, we Chinese here should listen and learn, only comment on things concerning China. Politeness is regarded as a virtue by Confucious, a Chinese sage. Anyone who does not show basic courtesy towards his neighbor while visiting the neighbor's house is not a true Chinese.

[observer]

Foolish snower, by talking of Arunachal Pradesh China has written RIP on the fledgling acceptance of Tibet as China's part in 2004 by India's Prime Minister. Now China will see increase in pressure from India over Tibet. Also it will see increased pressure from not only this West, but North, South and East in the coming years, courtesy India, if China talks in such aggressive ways. China is shooting itself in the feet by spoiling the atmosphere whereas India tried to improve the atmosphere and establish a genuine partnership with China in 2004.

[snower]

observer, you know why the chinese embossader Sun made that claim about Arunachal Pradesh right before Hu's visit? this stark claim clearly convey a signal which says: we don't care to spoil the atmosphere and we don't need to make you happy. china had make it clear if india insist to occupy chinese soil, she will make india pay something for it.

don't forget china has bangladish and pakistan as the ally. india has nothing. china can whenever build a dam upstream in tibet, cut indian water source. china can give weapen to indian northeast rebellers...., china has so many cards, while india has nothing but a weaker army, weaker economy, weaker people.

be realistic. face the fact.

[observer]

Listen you donkeyhead, does anyone reveal what hidden cards they've got? For eg. would I as an Indian reveal what strategies India has got against China which are floating around in strategic circles here the way you're doing for China? Either you're a moron who's counting his chickens before they've hatched or you're a troublesome monkey who's come here to create disruptions.

Pesky little bug.

[Yeah_Right!]

I heard that chinese are such peace-loving people. Then why do you create hell for the Tibetans? They have been driven off their homes, live as refugees in India? What do you have to say for that?

[Neo]

observer, you know why the chinese embossader Sun made that claim about Arunachal Pradesh right before Hu's visit? this stark claim clearly convey a signal which says: we don't care to spoil the atmosphere and we don't need to make you happy. china had make it clear if india insist to occupy chinese soil, she will make india pay something for it.

don't forget china has bangladish and pakistan as the ally. india has nothing. china can whenever build a dam upstream in tibet, cut indian water source. china can give weapen to indian northeast rebellers...., china has so many cards, while india has nothing but a weaker army, weaker economy, weaker people.

be realistic. face the fact.

that if u will survive another outbreak of sars u stupid chinese...ur government will let u die like pigs while claiming ur country is blossoming...:)

[Neo]

That's simply not true at all. You know it's not true. Most Chinese could not even recognize the Indian flag, they have very little negative or positive passion towards India. All "anti-India" statements stem first from misinformed anti-China statements or from exaggerated claims of India surpassing China. An evidence-based rebuttal against anti-China statements should not be considered as "anti-India."


first of all, Indians are in general not interested in china or its development. we are busy with our own and don't give a rat's *** to china. thats the reason u will find chinese on indian forums and not the other way.
problem with chinese is they are not able to digest the fact that india is cutting into their share of foreign investments and its not India that talks about India and china but the rest of the world.

How often have u heard the term fastest growing economy and only china's name being mentioned there. its a new world order and many developing countries are on their way to modernisation. china started way early , 1978 to be precise and so is naturally ahead of india. now when u talk of making comparisions u forget this basic fact that india started its reform policy two decades later. if after this u want to put some statistics and compare india and china then u should compare urself with US or Germany and you will get the picture.

i will tell u whats ur problem. u are developing but the mindset is still old. u want to be "the" superpower like US is today. thats not possible and the sooner u realise that the better for u. the global world will be an arena for all the countries, even from Africa and you should not start putting statistics to show ur development when zanzibar begins its economic development program

i hope i have shed some light on the anti chinese feelings here. if u look in ur own house first before throwing stones on other u ll not be embaraased.

Another reason is that china is a secret society to the rest of world even today. it doesn't help when news breaks of chinese soldiers shooting tibetan civilians trying to cross the border. we don't know whether to believe the chinese heart or not because communism has a doping effect on all the followers and we dont know what u have been doped with

[observer]

snower doesn't care. He's got a thick as a rhino skin and just wants to create troubles here ;)

[Kidd Lean]

as a Chinese, we can promise that large part of Chinese with friendly to neighbor India. No one Anti-India on purpose.
i also can understand why India heat Chinese? because of competition.

[Neo]

We have never hated anyone. We just don't trust china because of its government. look what the communists did to students in tiennemann square and to tibetans. thats why we don't trust china. we think chinese government is evil

[observer]

I got to correct you Neo. Most Indians don't care two hoots about what happens inside China or in Tibet but they are wary of China laying claims over territory that forms the Union of India since 1947.

[chinesemilitaryfan]

Observer:
The dispute of the territory has lasted for so long time,that is the task of our polititians.There is no point that we shout at each other here.Calm down and talk something else.
I think our two goverments are all behaving very strang.It is very obviouse that the territory issue is not a easy issue which impossiblly to be solved in short future.So my suggestion to these two goverments is: Give up the dispute,and accept the fact. Then we can built up our new-relation and grow up together. Sooner or later this issue will be solved,maybe in our generation maybe in our next generation.
Life is so good ,why should we spend our time hating people,we should make the best of our time to make friens.If the issue is too tough,ok,let's avoid it.If u don't think about the issue,the issue is nothing no matter how important it is.
There r also some extremers in china that cry everyday for the territory we lost to india.They are also very senseless,I don't like them. My idea is:Fact is fact ,no mather u like it or not.If u don't like it ,then try to change it, if u cann't change then bear it silently .Crying everyday is definitly not a good solution,because after all we live every daily life,in evryday's life we need happiness instead of crying.

[chinesemilitaryfan]

So If I need to stick to this topic"Why are Indians so hostile to China?".
First,we need do an investigation about this topic.If indian people really are hostile to china,I will suggest these indian people with ill feeling "Pls, stop your ill feeling, your ill feeling can help nothing "
If the outcome of the investigation is "Indians are not hostile to China".Then we should not make this topic so hot,just let it down,because it is rumour.
So my indian friends,answer my question by your heart.Are you hostile to china? No explaination,simply tell me:yes or no?

[Agra]

I knew some staff in the Indian Embassy in Beijing some years back.
I must say they were very friendly to China and eager to make Chinese friends. I did not feel any hostility on their part. They were impressed by what they saw in China and admited that the Chinese political system, however authoritarian, worked well.
Hostile talk about China is a game played by politicians for their own personal gains.

[mcalan]

i am from shanghai and hv been to india many times.....generally people there are kind and friendly as chinese....


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{snower: " he he" "he he" "he he".} So the chinese govt discussed all its cards with u? Your president must have invited u that come mr. snower lets discuss the strategies on india. {"he he" he he"}

Were u born upside down from ur mothers womb?? Or did u father eat a mad chicken and then gave birth to u??---
it is really stupid for rohit to say this....

come to china once you will know that india is around 15 years behind china in most of sectors except software and banking. And i personally think china and india shud walk together instead of fighting...If flight, India will loose and US & Russia will benefit from this...

[Agra]

I heard that chinese are such peace-loving people. Then why do you create hell for the Tibetans? They have been driven off their homes, live as refugees in India? What do you have to say for that?

Do you need to be reminded of what India did to annex Sikhim and Kashmir? Your record is no better.

The Chinese government did terrible things, such as Tian An Men square incident. It is learning from its mistakes and is bent on improving the livelihood of the people sometimes in disregard of democracy.

India government is a good example of political tolerance in this regard, and an example of incompetence in helping poor masses.

[Neo]

Do you need to be reminded of what India did to annex Sikhim and Kashmir? Your record is no better.

The Chinese government did terrible things, such as Tian An Men square incident. It is learning from its mistakes and is bent on improving the livelihood of the people sometimes in disregard of democracy.

India government is a good example of political tolerance in this regard, and an example of incompetence in helping poor masses.

ur being judgemental...the present day US as you see today was not always the same, it also had poor masses so did UK and france. but they managed to remove that by democratic means. communism is not the only competent form of governance as the fall of USSR should have taught you.

east germany is very poor compared to west even after unification. i don't think the lot of farmers in china is any better than those in india. lets stop pretending the superiority of our governments. both have a lot to achieve.

[Neo]

come to china once you will know that india is around 15 years behind china in most of sectors except software and banking. And i personally think china and india shud walk together instead of fighting...If flight, India will loose and US & Russia will benefit from this...

no one denies that...china began reforms 20 years earlier than india and is 20 years ahead in infrastructure and industries. that true but pls stop behaving like this is not 20 years but 200. important point is both india and china are developing. instead of showing one other down people should focus on themselves.

the other day on ABC was a program in which the host made awful mockery of chinese language on live TV. it shows even now the west considers east as second grade. instead of basking in what we have achieved, lets continue doing better.

[chinesemilitaryfan]

As far as I know,India started the discussion of reforming even earlier than china,india also started the actual reform earlier.But the problem is that the indian goverment never could do one thing with determination.They talked alot and discussed alot without any conclusion.This is the reason now india is much behind china.But indian goverment is very good at finding excuse,they say "we started reform late, so now we r behind" .Indian goverment makes itself alive by cheating and amusing itself as well as the indian people.

[Agra]

So If I need to stick to this topic"Why are Indians so hostile to China?".
First,we need do an investigation about this topic.If indian people really are hostile to china,I will suggest these indian people with ill feeling "Pls, stop your ill feeling, your ill feeling can help nothing "
If the outcome of the investigation is "Indians are not hostile to China".Then we should not make this topic so hot,just let it down,because it is rumour.
So my indian friends,answer my question by your heart.Are you hostile to china? No explaination,simply tell me:yes or no?

Most of them will say No. They may be unfriendly, but not hostile.

Many of them envy China, to start with, and wish that their own government hampered by "democracy" could be as efficient as China.
I would say they are simply jealous so much so that they resort to bad-mouthing China's lack of democracy.

I do not understand why some Indians call China a back-stabber.

[Neo]

As far as I know,India started the discussion of reforming even earlier than china,india also started the actual reform earlier.But the problem is that the indian goverment never could do one thing with determination.They talked alot and discussed alot without any conclusion.This is the reason now india is much behind china.But indian goverment is very good at finding excuse,they say "we started reform late, so now we r behind" .Indian goverment makes itself alive by cheating and amusing itself as well as the indian people.

i think u have no idea of history. i suggest u take up some lessons on your country's reform process and then we can have a discussion.

[chinesemilitaryfan]

The only article about the reform history of india I read so far is writen by a chinese scholar.So believe it or not.
India started reform in 50's, one small step with a big resistence,after this, every few years, there were some movements of the reform,but not successful.Even now,india is still facing the same problem.
So if we consider every small step of reform as real reform, india has been in the process of reforming for 50 years.Reversly,if we only consider successful step of the movement as real reform,india has never started reforming so far.
Additional information: China started the reform from countryside since 1978,then followed by the reform in other systems since 1981.
India's coming-up on the international stage recently is not because of the reform and economic performance,is because that many indians reallized they need to advertize themself.Otherwise it is too shamful to face the popular neighbour which also has a similar size of population and a similar wonderful civilization history.India has the advantage to do the promotion:India has a huge population of overseas indian which can help the promotion,india masters english which is the No.1 language.India has the democratic system which is very well recgonized by the western world. So far,I would say that the promotion is very successful.Such promotion has resulted in a very good situation which can eventually help the indian economy actually.But how to make the best use of the situation is a big task.Otherwise all the efforts india putted will be wasted.

[Neo]

The only article about the reform history of india I read so far is writen by a chinese scholar.So believe it or not.
India started reform in 50's, one small step with a big resistence,after this, every few years, there were some movements of the reform,but not successful.Even now,india is still facing the same problem.
So if we consider every small step of reform as real reform, india has been in the process of reforming for 50 years.Reversly,if we only consider successful step of the movement as real reform,india has never started reforming so far.
Additional information: China started the reform from countryside since 1978,then followed by the reform in other systems since 1981.
India's coming-up on the international stage recently is not because of the reform and economic performance,is because that many indians reallized they need to advertize themself.Otherwise it is too shamful to face the popular neighbour which also has a similar size of population and a similar wonderful civilization history.India has the advantage to do the promotion:India has a huge population of overseas indian which can help the promotion,india masters english which is the No.1 language.India has the democratic system which is very well recgonized by the western world. So far,I would say that the promotion is very successful.Such promotion has resulted in a very good situation which can eventually help the indian economy actually.But how to make the best use of the situation is a big task.Otherwise all the efforts india putted will be wasted.

all u read is chinese history and chinese historians i think. u don't even know the difference between independence and reforms? by that logic china started its reform process much earlier. all i can say is ur logic makes no sense because there's no logic in it. i ll give you a source for your enlightment. go to a third party neutral site..bbc and see what they talk about china and india. u ll get a statistical picture of china and india on various parameters.

as for the marketing theory put forward by you :) well what can i say. it appears that you live in another world...china perhaps :D

[chinesemilitaryfan]

I studied marketing for many years(not in china) and also doing a marketing job(not in china),So I like to relate the international issues to my major.I found there are many meeting points among them.
Calm down,my friend,don't always become nervous and sensitive when you visit this forum.Behave like a gentlman.

[Neo]

I studied marketing for many years(not in china) and also doing a marketing job(not in china),So I like to relate the international issues to my major.I found there are many meeting points among them.
Calm down,my friend,don't always become nervous and sensitive when you visit this forum.Behave like a gentlman.

i m very calm my friend. put that doesn't mean i should not point out if someone says something without basis. for eg. u said u did a major in marketing. i m sure u understand that marketing a poor product doesn't help the business and a good product is a marketing strategy itself.
the fact that india has the fastest growing gdp is not a marketing gimmick nor the fact that companies from across the globe are investing in india.
this has been the case since last one decade. now if u call this marketing and nothing else then there's only one obvious conclusion i can draw. either ur biased or u din't study marketing good enough

in either case u ll call this ungentlemanly talk but isn't this the truth anyone would find reading ur assumptions ?

[chinesemilitaryfan]

Recently I did a study of the inflation rate of india,I found it is very high(Third party analysis also has the same article).Do you know what does this mean?That means the GDP growth is supported by the more money printed and higher price of nomal goods,we can not say such kind of GDP growth is real growth.Even your fiancial minister also admitted that the inflation rate is too high.
I didn't mean that india acheived nothing,I am going to suggest u :You should have a objective view of GDP growth rate.
I hope I made it clear,if not, I can explain it to you further.

[Neo]

Recently I did a study of the inflation rate of india,I found it is very high(Third party analysis also has the same article).Do you know what does this mean?That means the GDP growth is supported by the more money printed and higher price of nomal goods,we can not say such kind of GDP growth is real growth.Even your fiancial minister also admitted that the inflation rate is too high.
I didn't mean that india acheived nothing,I am going to suggest u :You should have a objective view of GDP growth rate.
I hope I made it clear,if not, I can explain it to you further.

ok lets have some discussion on macro economics now that you brought it up. the GDP is always determined at two levels. one is on the basis of currency valuation in the past and one on recent. if the GDP at current valuation is high and the one with old is low we can conclude that the figures are manipulated. in case of india the GDP figures with purchase parity of 1970 and 2000 are both high so unlike ur study, the world studies ranks india's GDP growth rate of 8.4% as the highest in the world currently.
lets discuss inflation now. what fuels inflation? real estate, foods and petroleum are the primary factors. in india's case real estate has gone to ridiculous extremes ever since IT came into picture. reason?
better per capita income and investments in the housing sector fuel this rise.
Food grain supplies are not a big factor because india is self sustained in this area.
petroleum is a concern for the entire world not only india. thankfully the recent civilian nuclear cooperation between india and US has paved the way for india recieving supply from the NSG.

if u want to discuss some more economic parameters to discuss my country's economy feel free. u may know economics but i know my country's economy better than ur guess :)

[googleabcd]

the world studies ranks india's GDP growth rate of 8.4% as the highest in the world currently.

China's annual GDP growth rate in 2006 is around 9.25%(Last years was 10.25%). I don't knnow why you say india's GDP growth rate is currently the highest

Furthurmore, below is the big 4 Chinese cities GDP growth rate:
Guangzhou: 14.4%
Shanghai&Shenzhen: 13%
Beijing: 12%
6 out of the TOP10 skyscraper cities in the world are Chinese cities, including Taiwan and Hongkong. We are using and building the best infrastructure in the world. We enjoy a life that becomes better and better everyday

If anyone wants to know what China will look like in the next few years, please take a look at the following thread that includes the planning of all "big" Chinese cities.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=377275

[snower]

China's annual GDP growth rate in 2006 is around 9.25%(Last years was 10.25%). I don't knnow why you say india's GDP growth rate is currently the highest

Furthurmore, below is the big 4 Chinese cities GDP growth rate:
Guangzhou: 14.4%
Shanghai&Shenzhen: 13%
Beijing: 12%
6 out of the TOP10 skyscraper cities in the world are Chinese cities, including Taiwan and Hongkong. We are using and building the best infrastructure in the world. We enjoy a life that becomes better and better everyday

If anyone wants to know what China will look like in the next few years, please take a look at the following thread that includes the planning of all "big" Chinese cities.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=377275

guy, it's not wise to be serious about Neo's words, he live in a world of his imagination but not reality, like many indians.

and he is famous to "put foot in his mouth", hehe, so I never argue with him, just play with and laugh at him. he is a very funny dummy ...

[Neo]

guy, it's not wise to be serious about Neo's words, he live in a world of his imagination but not reality, like many indians.

and he is famous to "put foot in his mouth", hehe, so I never argue with him, just play with and laugh at him. he is a very funny dummy ...

i will not say anything about u snower coz as ur name suggests he has put all the snow in ur brain.. here's what ur countrymen write about u

"I am chinese, I want to say, those who always stired up the polemics may not be chinese. Even though they usually give their logins a chinese family name. The chinese internaut donot often name their logins with their familiy name as I know. you can check in the english wiki chinese language native speakers as follows http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:User_zh-N

I mean On the Internet No One Knows You Are a Dog

So in the ordinary chinese people, india is just a far, mysterious country somehow china-like country,(long history and very populated).

I had some indian friends, so I don't want someone else to screw up"

every time ur frustrated life brings u back on this forum think of it like ur dog behavior. a dog always comes back to his masters place no matter how many kicks he get...lolz..

come back for more snow brain...the master will kick ur a** again if that makes u happy...:)

[snower]

China's annual GDP growth rate in 2006 is around 9.25%(Last years was 10.25%). I don't knnow why you say india's GDP growth rate is currently the highest

Furthurmore, below is the big 4 Chinese cities GDP growth rate:
Guangzhou: 14.4%
Shanghai&Shenzhen: 13%
Beijing: 12%
6 out of the TOP10 skyscraper cities in the world are Chinese cities, including Taiwan and Hongkong. We are using and building the best infrastructure in the world. We enjoy a life that becomes better and better everyday

If anyone wants to know what China will look like in the next few years, please take a look at the following thread that includes the planning of all "big" Chinese cities.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=377275

The funny thing is the west used to doubt chinese gdp figures. now they seems trust it more. and the British even said chinese goverment underestimate chinese gdp figures, haha.... they said the 2006 chinese gdp rate is about 12%, but not the officially stated 9.25%. they said chinese is again cheating by reporting low figures, haha....

by the way, china surpassed britain and france in the year 2006 to be the fourth largest nation economically. only after US, japan and germany. i will see china overtakes them one by one in my life time.