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sunrisexu
12-07-2006, 02:15 AM
Why chinese get so much golden in the ASIA game, But India only get 3 golden?
because chinese are good in sports, indians are not.
Why are most of the enterpreneurs in software of Indian origin not chinese? :)
haha ahaha ahhah that is not a surprise
sunrisexu
12-08-2006, 07:37 AM
Now china: 90 golden. 50 Silver
India: 4 golden, 8 silver
Does it mean chinese are much more stronger then Indian? That's why India be defeated in 1962 war!
chinesemilitaryfan
12-08-2006, 09:24 PM
Indian people don't pay attention to sports,so they are not performing very well.
But my suggestion to india is:If u are really going to establish your status in the international stage.Sports is very important.Cann't imagine a really powerful country is very weak in sports.
Now china: 90 golden. 50 Silver
India: 4 golden, 8 silver
Does it mean chinese are much more stronger then Indian? That's why India be defeated in 1962 war!
really? so chinese people are weaker than japanese? thats why you were defeated by japanese? haha..
only some narrow minded stupid person can come up with such a logic. are you educated ?
chinesemilitaryfan
12-09-2006, 02:34 AM
At the WWII time,japan was realy much stronger than china,it is true,they even could challenge US.Even now japan is still stronger than china. We accept this fact.
At the WWII time,japan was realy much stronger than china,it is true,they even could challenge US.Even now japan is still stronger than china. We accept this fact.
u din't get the point...someone was saying china defeated india in 1962 war for the same reason they win more gold medals in asian games...hahahaha
by that same logic china should easily defeat japan because japan doesn't get as many gold medals...:)
let me put it this way my friend. out of 10 chinese who share their ideas on forums i find 9 as dumb as a stone. fortunately people like you also exist who show sensibility. i heard 300 million people have access to internet in china, i just hope a few of them will use brain before writing something.
u din't get the point...someone was saying china defeated india in 1962 war for the same reason they win more gold medals in asian games...hahahaha
by that same logic china should easily defeat japan because japan doesn't get as many gold medals...:)
let me put it this way my friend. out of 10 chinese who share their ideas on forums i find 9 as dumb as a stone. fortunately people like you also exist who show sensibility. i heard 300 million people have access to internet in china, i just hope a few of them will use brain before writing something.
That's one condescending view of Chinese netizens.
Chinese have reason to be proud of their performance in the Asian Games, but should not use this to humiliate others which goes against sportsmanship.
That's one condescending view of Chinese netizens.
Chinese have reason to be proud of their performance in the Asian Games, but should not use this to humiliate others which goes against sportsmanship.
the only interaction i have with chinese is by way of their posts on these forums and if you go and look at most of these posts you will know what i mean.
offcourse its a very good thing for china that they perform well in sports but to find a corelation between war and sports proves demented psyche. it only proves that not all with access to internet have the intellect to post thoughtful and worthwhile comments. At least they should be taught that their posts are a poor reflection on their country if a majority of the posts turn out to be mundane and illogical.
Bad manners are obvious on both sides, only leading to a vicious cycle.
Well, the only people happy with the situaion are the admin/owner of the forums because it attracts visitors and hits. :-)
well see the topic of this thread and what the one who posted it said in his replies. and then look at the other threads on this forum and show me one example where an insult was initiated by an indian.
so no, bad manners are on the chinese side. if they talk like friends they will be welcome, if the stoop low they ll only initiate unfriendly gestures.
I dont think the admin and mod on this forum are bothered about the postings here. just look at the number of advertisements on each thread irrelevant to the topic.
Yes, you are right. The Chinese netizen sunrisexu was to blame for the start of bad manners on this thread. Bad taste of him, to say the least.
Now china: 90 golden. 50 Silver
India: 4 golden, 8 silver
Does it mean chinese are much more stronger then Indian? That's why India be defeated in 1962 war!
However, I was not impressed by india1989 who wrote this and posted a few photos of Indian missiles, batterships in another controversial thread on the 1962 border war (http://www.indiabook.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=4571).
yeah these chinese won one war somehow by the method of cowardice, they think they rule.
u r no match now. we will finish u. if nukes are not used we will defeat u. u underestimate India too much.
i saw the thread and despite the mumbo jumbo of the first post by someone from china, india1989 actually accepted the defeat in the reply and dint make any offensive comments. On the other hand search for posts by a demented fella by the name snower and you will know why people here doubt the mental acumen of others from china. this guy is as dumb as someone could possibly manage to be :)
i saw the thread and despite the mumbo jumbo of the first post by someone from china, india1989 actually accepted the defeat in the reply and dint make any offensive comments. On the other hand search for posts by a demented fella by the name snower and you will know why people here doubt the mental acumen of others from china. this guy is as dumb as someone could possibly manage to be :)
I did the search by the author name snower and was given a list of threads containing posts. It would be nice if the search returned a list of posts by snower rather than a list of threads containing his posts.
I read some of his posts. Snower was rude, giving a bad name to Chinese netizens.
because chinese are good in sports, indians are not.
Why are most of the enterpreneurs in software of Indian origin not chinese? :)
you are right in first sentence.
because Indian is good at English.
rebecca87512
12-11-2006, 04:22 AM
o,sad. We indian must catch up with chinese ASAP
rebecca87512
12-11-2006, 04:24 AM
Our giverment must put more effect in the sport
rakesh_rockie
12-11-2006, 10:52 AM
See.. this is like a web of defects.. when we start from any point , it wont endup with government.. it will end up with people..problem is basically with us..:cool: i should change.. u should change.. then we wil prove.. people must show same enthu as during freedom..
rakesh_rockie
12-11-2006, 10:55 AM
if we show that kind of mentallity , then , not only we will bw leading i sports , we will be leading in all fields..
mcalan
12-13-2006, 11:09 AM
Dear Xu,
pls don't be showy...these medals hv nothing to do with u or me...Go to india once,u will understand them...Don't think a race/country with ur existing attitudes...in many ways, we shud also learn from india...
sunrisexu
12-14-2006, 07:37 AM
Now, chinese: 148 golden, Indian: 9 golden
chinese: 79 Silver, Indian: 18 Silver
hahahaha
sunrisexu
12-14-2006, 07:51 AM
Chinese also defeat Indian with the hockey in the ASIA GAME. Very very few chinese play the hockey, but chinese can win it.
So that why almost no boay talks about INDIA in china, and almost no one compares China and India in china. Chinese does not think INDIA can be competitor. INDIA is the lost country in the eyes of chinese.
India1989
12-15-2006, 09:58 PM
China defeating India in field hockey game was a major suprise for all Indians. And chinese thinking India cannot compete is the most gayest thing i have ever heard. so shut the hell up u sunrise.
But this was the best ever performance by India in asian games.
China won 1962 war because of sheer number otherwise they would have got their asses kicked.
Hey china perhaps have beaten India in one hockey match and this was their first victory. try again and u will lose.
India1989
12-15-2006, 10:03 PM
Rank NOC Total Rank
T by Total
1 CHN - PR China 165 88 63 316 1
2 KOR - Republic of Korea 58 53 82 193 3
3 JPN - Japan 50 71 77 198 2
4 KAZ - Kazakhstan 23 19 43 85 4
5 THA - Thailand 13 15 26 54 5
6 IRI - Islamic Republic of Iran 11 15 22 48 7
7 UZB - Uzbekistan 11 14 14 39 10
8 IND - India 10 18 26 54 5
9 QAT - State of Qatar 9 12 11 32 11
10 TPE - Chinese Taipei 9 10 27 46 8
11 MAS - Malaysia 8 17 17 42 9
12 SIN - Singapore 8 7 12 27 14
13 KSA - Kingdom of Saudi Arabia 8 6 14 20
14 BRN - Kingdom of Bahrain 7 10 4 21 16
15 HKG - Hong Kong, China 6 12 10 28 13
16 PRK - Democratic Republic of Korea 6 9 16 31 12
17 KUW - Kuwait 6 5 2 13 21
18 PHI - Philippines 4 6 9 19 18
19 VIE - Vietnam 3 13 7 23 15
20 UAE - Emirates 3 4 3 10 23
21 MGL - Mongolia 2 5 8 15 19
22 INA - Indonesia 2 3 15 20 17
23 SYR - Syrian Arab Republic 2 1 3 6 27
24 TJK - Tajikistan 2 2 4 28
25 JOR - Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan 1 3 4 8 24
26 LIB - Lebanon 1 2 3 30
27 MYA - Myanmar 4 7 11 22
28 KGZ - Kyrgyzstan 2 6 8 24
29 IRQ - Iraq 2 1 3 30
30 MAC - Macau, China 1 6 7 26
31 PAK - Pakistan 1 3 4 28
32 SRI - Sri Lanka 1 2 3 30
33 TKM - Turkmenistan 1 1 34
33 LAO - Lao People Democratic Republic 1 1 34
35 NEP - Nepal 3 3 30
36 AFG - Afghanistan 1 1 34
36 BAN - Bangladesh 1 1 34
36 YEM - Yemen 1 1 34
or u can go here to check the medal's list. its easier.
http://www.dohaasiangames.org/gis/menuroot/medals/InfoMedal.aspx
China defeating India in field hockey game was a major suprise for all Indians. And chinese thinking India cannot compete is the most gayest thing i have ever heard. so shut the hell up u sunrise.
But this was the best ever performance by India in asian games.
China won 1962 war because of sheer number otherwise they would have got their asses kicked.
Hey china perhaps have beaten India in one hockey match and this was their first victory. try again and u will lose.
China won the game and war not because of its sheer number, but because of its strategy and its determination to shine. :p
As to the war, check this site out for insights offered by a neutral writer:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/1984/CJB.htm
China won the game and war not because of its sheer number, but because of its strategy and its determination to shine. :p
As to the war, check this site out for insights offered by a neutral writer:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/1984/CJB.htm
i don't understand why china lost the war to japan then. japan is not even a fraction of china in size or population. where did the strategy and determination go then? :D
as i have seen many times , chinese on this forum conviniently forget their weakness hahaha...
obviously japan is a big pain for chinese people i think...over 30 million chinese lost their lives i guess?
obviously japan is a big pain for chinese people i think...over 30 million chinese lost their lives i guess?
Japan became civilised after learning so many things from China in ancient times . It turned against China when it acquired stenghth through industrialization. China was defeated in the begnining and won the war with the help allies.
That's why China learned a lesson and asserted itself in the face of incessant provocations from India in 1962. I hope India has also learned sth from the humiliating defeat of its own making.
Japan became civilised after learning so many things from China in ancient times . It turned against China when it acquired stenghth through industrialization. China was defeated in the begnining and won the war with the help allies.
That's why China learned a lesson and asserted itself in the face of incessant provocations from India in 1962. I hope India has also learned sth from the humiliating defeat of its own making.
i don't think china learnt anything from the tone of its citizens. they claim the glory of war but easily forget how a small island like japan tormented china for almost two decades. someone on this forum was claiming china's superiority in military strength. i made this point to emphasise that china has not defeated one big power in all these years and it could not withstand japan until usa crushed it, so pls wake up and come out of such stupid ideas as the glory of war.
davenike2
12-18-2006, 03:38 AM
I am Chinese, I am proud of my country.I do believe that facts is proving everything,right?
googleabcd
12-18-2006, 04:59 AM
When Japan invaded China, the leader of China was not CCP. However, you should know after CCP became the leader of China, Chinanever lost any war againt other countries.
In Korean war, it is the first and the only time in the history that a single country can defeat the union army, including most developed countries such as U.S.A, Brithish.
And the name of that country is China.
Remember, CCP maybe not care much about human rights, but it do know how to bring China back to its previous postion during the last 3,000 years history---- The most powerful country with the best economic, technology, military and culture.
We will see this happen in our life time
i don't think china learnt anything from the tone of its citizens. they claim the glory of war but easily forget how a small island like japan tormented china for almost two decades. someone on this forum was claiming china's superiority in military strength. i made this point to emphasise that china has not defeated one big power in all these years and it could not withstand japan until usa crushed it, so pls wake up and come out of such stupid ideas as the glory of war.
The most powerful country with the best economic, technology, military and culture.
We will see this happen in our life time
This is exactly what i was talking about. i think most of the chinese still dream of a unipolar world with china as the superpower in the years to come. well what can i say u just proved me right that how wrong are your notions. this is an era of multipolar world and when you say most powerful country you show the narrow mindness characterising the 20th century. this was exactly what led to the steep growth and then destruction of nazi germany. learn from history my friend. don't copy mistakes.
googleabcd
12-18-2006, 04:28 PM
Please give us evidences and prove that this is an era of multipolar world.
We all admint U.S is currently the most powerful country in the world. Sooner or later, another country will replace it. At least, for now the one with highest possibility is China.
Powerful countries will fight each other for resources, just like animal fighting for food. There is a very famous Chinese saying:" There won't be two tigers in the same mountain".
Another thing is that if you think Chinese are already arrogant and narrow minded, then you are absoulte wrong.
If you know Chinese and visit Chinese forums, then you will see that all Chinese know where we are, what kind of status it is, what is the relationship between China and U.S.
However, we have our goals/plans and we will archieve them step by step.
This is exactly what i was talking about. i think most of the chinese still dream of a unipolar world with china as the superpower in the years to come. well what can i say u just proved me right that how wrong are your notions. this is an era of multipolar world and when you say most powerful country you show the narrow mindness characterising the 20th century. this was exactly what led to the steep growth and then destruction of nazi germany. learn from history my friend. don't copy mistakes.
Please give us evidences and prove that this is an era of multipolar world.
Indians consider SAARC (South Asian Association for Regional Co-operation) headed by the big brother India and composed of Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bhutan, Maldives, Pakistan to be a pole in the world. :rolleyes:
chinesemilitaryfan
12-19-2006, 07:45 PM
Hi,everyone,stick to the topic!!
I think it is not a good thing for china winning so many golden medols in Aisan Games.All other countries are disppointed by the big gap between china and them.After all other countries will lose interest in taking part in this games.
chinesemilitaryfan
12-19-2006, 08:05 PM
i don't think china learnt anything from the tone of its citizens. they claim the glory of war but easily forget how a small island like japan tormented china for almost two decades. someone on this forum was claiming china's superiority in military strength. i made this point to emphasise that china has not defeated one big power in all these years and it could not withstand japan until usa crushed it, so pls wake up and come out of such stupid ideas as the glory of war.
Neo:Don't always glorify yourself by mentioning Japan which has nothing to do with india.At that time japan was a devil just like Germany. I beleive you are not a relative of devils.Without the hard fighting of chinese troops I am 100% sure india would become one of the slaves of Japan.On this point,UK and US were all grateful to china.
We were defeated at the begining,SU was also defeated by Germany at the beging.but we wan as last.Without the help of US and SU,the victory might came later,but it came finally.
BumBumBholeNath
12-19-2006, 08:24 PM
I not read all posts...but I know answer to question posed in topic "Why chinese get so much golden in the ASIA game, But India only get 3 golden?"
Answer is chinese is better athletes! India send shittyass losers to these games...the sports industry in india stinks!! nobody play sports in schools!! It stinks!! Everybody sit on fat ass eating deep fried turds and complain that Indians cant play...yes, it true...Indians cant play any sport..
I not chinian!! I Indian!!
Neo:Don't always glorify yourself by mentioning Japan which has nothing to do with india.At that time japan was a devil just like Germany. I beleive you are not a relative of devils.Without the hard fighting of chinese troops I am 100% sure india would become one of the slaves of Japan.On this point,UK and US were all grateful to china.
We were defeated at the begining,SU was also defeated by Germany at the beging.but we wan as last.Without the help of US and SU,the victory might came later,but it came finally.
so japan was a devil because it occupied china...i guess that makes china a devil now that it occupies tibet? hahaha
u change definitions to suit urself don't u ? thats what i call narrow mindness.
as for india becoming slaves of japan, may i remind u that ur country din't have the guts to take back hongkong from england till the 99 yr old lease expired. a lease that u were forced to sign by the british? so much for the big mouth chinese military.
talk of glory when u ll have the tiny island of taiwan under control. for me china is nothing but an opportunistic country always targetting the weaker and ill prepared countries and running away with the tail under the butt at the sight of a power.
even the korean war would have been a disaster but for the help of ussr.
Indians consider SAARC (South Asian Association for Regional Co-operation) headed by the big brother India and composed of Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bhutan, Maldives, Pakistan to be a pole in the world. :rolleyes:
hahaha better than keeping a neighbour north korea starving under its inept ruler to serve its own interests like china does.
as for a multipolar world any one capable of understanding english would have read that i said its the future, not the present situation. unfortunately i can't explain it to u in chinese :D please try understanding again.
the future would have USA, EU, Japan, India, Russia, Brazil, Australia and many other powerful countries. gone are the days of one country replacing another as the super power. US has realised this, thats why its admitting India to the nuclear club. Better other realise this too. else only disaster awaits them
Hi,everyone,stick to the topic!!
I think it is not a good thing for china winning so many golden medols in Aisan Games.All other countries are disppointed by the big gap between china and them.After all other countries will lose interest in taking part in this games.
good, lets stick to this topic. first of all let examine ur claim about other countries being disappointed. this thread was started by some chinese. is that correct?
read my first reply. the answer i gave was that chinese atheletes are better than indians. so unlike ur perception that other countries are disappointed, other countries accept that chinese are good in sports so come out of this inferiority complex please.
next point, why chinese atheletes are good. if u want an honest answer, here it is. sports are neglected in india. all the families that send their kids to school in india tell them to study well, no one says to play well :)
the schools have no facilities for sports although they have very good science labs, computer labs etc.
i ll take my example, when in school i used to play cricket because i liked the game. i was not bad at it but my family always told me to focus on studies and not sport. result? i studied well yes, i went to a top engineering college in india, got a degree, then went to germany to work for SAP- a big software company and finally ended up in USA working for KPMG- another consulting giant. i achieved all this because i put lot of hard work in my studies. if i was encouraged for sports, may be i could be as good in cricket although not here working for one of the top 5 consulting companies in the world.
i have not been to china but i can guess how is the educational system there. communist governments support education and sports both. kids are separated in schools based on their interests and skills into sportsmen and studious. sportsmen are encouraged to work hard. the fact that under communism every one, engineer or a sports person has insurance, medical care, housing and other similar benefits helps too. Thats why probably there are more indian engineers and doctors in USA then there are chinese.
this doesn't mean India should start boasting of this. Its an area where we could learn from China. obviously not the communist way but something in between.
i hope this answers the question. ofcourse there are some stupid people who neither play sports nor are well educated and just complain about things. they are both "chinian" and indian. my sincere advise to them. please don't open ur mouth in public forums. ur insulting ur parents who were not able to give u proper education.
chinesemilitaryfan
12-20-2006, 03:16 AM
Congratulations,you have acheived so many qalifications.But it seems you have no knowledge of china although you talked alot about china.
Congratulations,you have acheived so many qalifications.But it seems you have no knowledge of china although you talked alot about china.
i have the same opinion about your knowledge about india friend :)
lets agree that is not possible to judge each other's country sitting in our cozy couches. our governments are making efforts to increase cooperation. may be that will help our respective knowledge.
googleabcd
12-20-2006, 05:58 AM
Considering the current situations, all powerful countries
play sports well, especially in olympics.
Below is the final ranking of 2004 olympics. To be honest, this ranking exactly shows how powerful a country is in the current world, or I should say "current world order".
Medal Tally Gold Silver Bronze
United States 35 39 29
China 32 17 14
Russia 27 27 38
Australia 17 16 16
Japan 16 9 12
Germany 14 16 18
France 11 9 13
Italy 10 11 11
South Korea 9 12 9
Great Britain 9 9 12
Cuba 9 7 11
Ukraine 9 5 9
good, lets stick to this topic. first of all let examine ur claim about other countries being disappointed. this thread was started by some chinese. is that correct?
read my first reply. the answer i gave was that chinese atheletes are better than indians. so unlike ur perception that other countries are disappointed, other countries accept that chinese are good in sports so come out of this inferiority complex please.
next point, why chinese atheletes are good. if u want an honest answer, here it is. sports are neglected in india. all the families that send their kids to school in india tell them to study well, no one says to play well :)
the schools have no facilities for sports although they have very good science labs, computer labs etc.
i ll take my example, when in school i used to play cricket because i liked the game. i was not bad at it but my family always told me to focus on studies and not sport. result? i studied well yes, i went to a top engineering college in india, got a degree, then went to germany to work for SAP- a big software company and finally ended up in USA working for KPMG- another consulting giant. i achieved all this because i put lot of hard work in my studies. if i was encouraged for sports, may be i could be as good in cricket although not here working for one of the top 5 consulting companies in the world.
i have not been to china but i can guess how is the educational system there. communist governments support education and sports both. kids are separated in schools based on their interests and skills into sportsmen and studious. sportsmen are encouraged to work hard. the fact that under communism every one, engineer or a sports person has insurance, medical care, housing and other similar benefits helps too. Thats why probably there are more indian engineers and doctors in USA then there are chinese.
this doesn't mean India should start boasting of this. Its an area where we could learn from China. obviously not the communist way but something in between.
i hope this answers the question. ofcourse there are some stupid people who neither play sports nor are well educated and just complain about things. they are both "chinian" and indian. my sincere advise to them. please don't open ur mouth in public forums. ur insulting ur parents who were not able to give u proper education.
Considering the current situations, all powerful countries
play sports well, especially in olympics.
Below is the final ranking of 2004 olympics. To be honest, this ranking exactly shows how powerful a country is in the current world, or I should say "current world order".
Medal Tally Gold Silver Bronze
United States 35 39 29
China 32 17 14
Russia 27 27 38
Australia 17 16 16
Japan 16 9 12
Germany 14 16 18
France 11 9 13
Italy 10 11 11
South Korea 9 12 9
Great Britain 9 9 12
Cuba 9 7 11
Ukraine 9 5 9
since when sports became a criteria to show how powerful a country is :) which school of thought promulgates this idea, i would like to know because according to your logic britain ranks lower than south korea or china...haha...
i think this thread has become totally irrelevant..people here are trying to mix sports and political prowess of nations...kenya has world's best marathon runners...according to this screwed up logic kenya should come ahead of sweden or norway for example...
pls...give us a break....if u have to judge how powerful a country is...use GDP, per capita income, military strength, health care, education, foreign investments and other parameters and i am not saying china will not fare good if u use this parameter but to say that sports shows how powerful a country is is outright ridiculous....it only shows the organised sports industry in a country that provides better facilities and career to sports person...
chinesemilitaryfan
12-20-2006, 04:50 PM
it only shows the organised sports industry in a country that provides better facilities and career to sports person...
You are right.
for me china is nothing but an opportunistic country always targetting the weaker and ill prepared countries and running away with the tail under the butt at the sight of a power. even the korean war would have been a disaster but for the help of ussr.
That's a very rude remark about China.
To many Chinese, India is a brazen country, always ready to domineer over weak countries in south Asia and tries to put the blames on others for international conflicts India has provoked. India is hypocratic: it styled itself a leader of non-aligned movement but would not hesitate to beg US for military support at the sight of a power. 1962 would have been a greater disaster for India had it not been for the good-will gesture of China.
Sorry, but you provoked above remarks. :rolleyes:
That's a very rude remark about China.
To many Chinese, India is a brazen country, always ready to domineer over weak countries in south Asia and tries to put the blames on others for international conflicts India has provoked. India is hypocratic: it styled itself a leader of non-aligned movement but would not hesitate to beg US for military support at the sight of a power. 1962 would have been a greater disaster for India had it not been for the good-will gesture of China.
Sorry, but you provoked above remarks. :rolleyes:
hahaha...thats news to me...please cite one conflict india provoked apart from the 1962 border issue the chinese keep justifying as an act of aggression. 1962 was a different story my friend. don't forget that china would probably still be under japan but for US. as for non alignment movement, india is still a member ( founding) but that doesn't prevent India from cooperation from all the other countries.
if we are talking hypocrisy here how do u explain china a communist country taking all the money from US...:D worst still US keeps insulting china citing its human rights violations...what does that make u my friend...not even a hypocrite..someone without principles...doesn't it :)
sorry but if u get dirty i can reply worse...:)
sincere advise to all chinese...grow out of 1962...india fought 2 major wars after that and was victorious...its like japan still tormenting chinese minds...
i remember few months ago there were riots in china targetting japanese shops...
somehow it appears to me that chinese people don't come out of complexes..
Kidd Lean
12-21-2006, 06:16 AM
chinese people are weaker than japanese? thats why you were defeated by japanese? Do you think Chinese be defeat by Japanese? We are the winner of World War 2. Japanese were defeat by us!!!
hahaha...thats news to me...please cite one conflict india provoked apart from the 1962 border issue the chinese keep justifying as an act of aggression. 1962 was a different story my friend. don't forget that china would probably still be under japan but for US. as for non alignment movement, india is still a member ( founding) but that doesn't prevent India from cooperation from all the other countries.
if we are talking hypocrisy here how do u explain china a communist country taking all the money from US...:D worst still US keeps insulting china citing its human rights violations...what does that make u my friend...not even a hypocrite..someone without principles...doesn't it :)
sorry but if u get dirty i can reply worse...:)
sincere advise to all chinese...grow out of 1962...india fought 2 major wars after that and was victorious...its like japan still tormenting chinese minds...
i remember few months ago there were riots in china targetting japanese shops...
somehow it appears to me that chinese people don't come out of complexes..
India has no credibility as a non-alinged country. ---- hypocracy
China no longer a communist country as you imagine. Nothing wrong in taking better care of its people. Look at hordes of beggars roaming the streets of India and hasseling tourists. Despicable. India gives democarcy a bad name.
And Japanese factor? There has been good cooperation between two countries over the years despite the problems left over from the war. What has that got to do with India?
Who was the aggressor in the 1962 border war? It is India. China was only reacting to India's provocation and aggression. Glorious India? Don't be blinded by nationalism. History was not written by Indians when it comes to that episode.
You started the dirty round and let's see how dirty you can go. :eek:
India has no credibility as a non-alinged country. ---- hypocracy
China no longer a communist country as you imagine. Nothing wrong in taking better care of its people. Look at hordes of beggars roaming the streets of India and hasseling tourists. Despicable. India gives democarcy a bad name.
And Japanese factor? There has been good cooperation between two countries over the years despite the problems left over from the war. What has that got to do with India?
Who was the aggressor in the 1962 border war? It is India. China was only reacting to India's provocation and aggression. Glorious India? Don't be blinded by nationalism. History was not written by Indians when it comes to that episode.
You started the dirty round and let's see how dirty you can go. :eek:
thats because india doesn't support parasites like communism does ...as i see the mojority of population in china isn't worth anything but survive on the efforts of the better educated and qualified scientists and engineers which ur government pays less to offer goodies to worthless people good for nothing.
in india we don't do that. everyone earns what he is capable of. the beggars are like parasites whom we don't give free house and food like you do.
if u dint have communist government who knows what street you would be on now ...lol...
thats communism for u my friend...ur reaping the fruits of someone else's hard earned money...i called it parasite behavior...better beggar than parasite...
bring it on...:D
chinesemilitaryfan
12-21-2006, 07:56 PM
Neo: Your words remind me the "revolution young man" during mao's time.At that time young people's head was totally washed by mao's extreme ideas. Anyway it was during the cold war time.But to my suprise ,you are still holding the extreme ideas from cold war.You are educated in a democratic country ,but how come your ideas are so narrow and extreme?
There is no absolute communist or democratic countries in the world now.If democratic country is so good,why most of indian people are still suffering from the povertry(You have been democratic for more than 50 years)?Why NEo is till talking like he is from cold war time(I think it is not your fault,the fault is on your goverment who educated you)? China's communist system has changed alot since mao passed away.I hope you can take a new view of current china .
googleabcd
12-21-2006, 08:00 PM
in india we don't do that. everyone earns what he is capable of. the beggars are like parasites whom we don't give free house and food like you do.
It seems that Indian don't know what does real democracy mean.
In a democratic country, the government don't need to give free house and food to poor people/beggars, but it should give equal chance for them to compete with other people. The most efficient ways is to give them free education.
Now, let me tell you some number:
-According to the latest report, average Chinese literacy rate is 90.8%.
The youth (ages 15-24) literacy rate in China today stands at 98.9%
Both number are quite closed to the developed countries.
Considering the huge amount of population, this is an amazing achivement.
-Four million engineers graduate in China every year, which equals to the sum of all developed countries each year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_as_an_emerging_superpower
Now, dear Neo, please tell us what is the literacy rate and how many engineers graduate in India every year.
chinesemilitaryfan
12-21-2006, 10:50 PM
I don't think there is a need to compare china and india again.It can only cause unfrienly words used to each other.Becuase they are all very sensitive.Some time they all can not control their mouths. I like to visit some european or USA forum,people there are more polite and talk in a quite good manner.It reminded me one chinese saying:"You can only know politness when you have a quality life"
Anything about AISAN GAMES?It is already finished,If there is nothing to talk,I suggest to close this thread.
To my suprise,Singapore wan some goldens.I really like that place,that is the only overseas place you can still feel you are majority.
the beggars are like parasites whom we don't give free house and food like you do.
if u dint have communist government who knows what street you would be on now ...lol...
thats communism for u my friend...ur reaping the fruits of someone else's hard earned money...i called it parasite behavior...better beggar than parasite...
bring it on...:D
Your perspective on beggars and parasites is quite shocking. You sound like India was still at a primitive stage of capitalism where absolute jungle law rules and beggars/vulnerable groups are treated like parasites.
You may be an elite in India but have a callous heart towards your own less fortunate people.
Small wonder there is not much interest in helping those poor people in India.
The so-called communist system at least tries to provide universal access to education and food.
The so-called communist system at least tries to provide universal access to education and food.
yeah and treats its people like commodities...not so long ago when there was a sars epidemic china din't even report it to the world till 1000 odd deaths. this is the value of life in china?
I don't think there is a need to compare china and india again.It can only cause unfrienly words used to each other.Becuase they are all very sensitive.Some time they all can not control their mouths. I like to visit some european or USA forum,people there are more polite and talk in a quite good manner.It reminded me one chinese saying:"You can only know politness when you have a quality life"
Anything about AISAN GAMES?It is already finished,If there is nothing to talk,I suggest to close this thread.
To my suprise,Singapore wan some goldens.I really like that place,that is the only overseas place you can still feel you are majority.
i don't think u will find any indian on a chinese forum comparing india to china. its always the friendly chinese swarming indian forums with comparisions. the reason?
the rest of the world always talks of china and india as emerging now a days. no one ever said india is ahead of china. they just talk of both the countries together. as i see, even this is too much for chinese to digest.
as i have been saying these are all signs of a narrow mindness that only forsees china as a developed country in the future.
be my guest to visit US forums. i am very sure how much respect chinese have there . very recently on ABC network an anchor made fun of chinese language. that was a big scandal in US.
first learn to make friends in asia my friend. west will always be west. u ll always be an alien there.
It seems that Indian don't know what does real democracy mean.
In a democratic country, the government don't need to give free house and food to poor people/beggars, but it should give equal chance for them to compete with other people. The most efficient ways is to give them free education.
Now, let me tell you some number:
-According to the latest report, average Chinese literacy rate is 90.8%.
The youth (ages 15-24) literacy rate in China today stands at 98.9%
Both number are quite closed to the developed countries.
Considering the huge amount of population, this is an amazing achivement.
-Four million engineers graduate in China every year, which equals to the sum of all developed countries each year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_as_an_emerging_superpower
Now, dear Neo, please tell us what is the literacy rate and how many engineers graduate in India every year.
quality vs quantity. i m sure u have heard of it. the THES of UK ranks IIT as the 3rd best technical institute of the world. pls check it for urself if u dont believe me.
i don't know where u got the figure of 4 million from because i found this to be 600,000 per year compared to 450,000 per year from india. add to that the fact that indian graduates are more fluent than chinese in english that gives them advantage in high end jobs oversees.
tell me one area where india is not at some stage of progress as china except military development. be it nuclear science, heavy industries, space program, food sustainence, life expectancy, education etc. Of course india is behind china because ours was a close door policy till 1990 when economic reform begain. if in 15 years india has gone from nowhere to the present situation where chinese feel alarmed then i think thats an achievement in itself.
Tell me how many of you or your parents ever gave a thought to talking about india and comparing it with china 20 years ago. i m sure u all were too busy improving your own lot to spare time for such things.
now that you are ahead, you should encourage other countries that are growing fast rather than feeling jealous about their growth. china doesn't become any poorer if it doesn't recieve all the foreign investments that it was getting till 1990, it just has to share it with india now. whats the big problem?
still i find people showing me statistics about china being ahead of india. for god sake everyone knows that...lol...why are u guys having such a complex. if u have to compare urself to someone compare to japan or germany. that should be ur target for the next 20 years. india's would do the same in the years to come.
i explained the reasons for china's superiority in sports quite a while ago and that should be the end of it but wise chinese keep on sharing their wisdom here. of course that will lead to confrontation.
one final point - someone talked about real democracy. pls let me not remind u of how ur government murdered pro democracy students on tienamann square few years ago. if thats ur idea of real democracy then my dear chinese please take this democracy to urself and be happy.
we don't need lessons on that from a country where google had to block its search results. i m not even sure that ur able to speak ur mind on these forums because of the fear of ur governments.
Neo: Your words remind me the "revolution young man" during mao's time.At that time young people's head was totally washed by mao's extreme ideas. Anyway it was during the cold war time.But to my suprise ,you are still holding the extreme ideas from cold war.You are educated in a democratic country ,but how come your ideas are so narrow and extreme?
There is no absolute communist or democratic countries in the world now.If democratic country is so good,why most of indian people are still suffering from the povertry(You have been democratic for more than 50 years)?Why NEo is till talking like he is from cold war time(I think it is not your fault,the fault is on your goverment who educated you)? China's communist system has changed alot since mao passed away.I hope you can take a new view of current china .
i have respect for the economic policies of ur government but none for political and social. the good thing they are doing is developing china. communism will break away for sure even in china trust me on that. u will also have democracy in the future. the good thing will be that u will have economic development by that time due to the good work of ur communist government and it will be not be a bloody revolution.
why does india still have poverty? 50 years is nothing in the life of a democracy. how many years do u think it took US to be what it is today?
communism is like a brute force, it bends iron with one blow. democracy is like a goldsmith, it takes lot of effort to give shape.
i don't know if any of u have lived in a democracy ever but to me if someone said that i can't write a blog criticising mao's policy and in turn i get social welfare, education etc, i will refuse it because i will feel like being asked to give up the right to think!
whats the difference between a machine and human then?
yeah and treats its people like commodities...not so long ago when there was a sars epidemic china din't even report it to the world till 1000 odd deaths. this is the value of life in china?
If you believe people are treated like commodities in China, then the ordinary people, the lower castes in particular, are treated like rats and parasites in India. Of course you prefer Indian beggars to Chinese "parasites". ;)
SARS showed the failing of China's system. The government needs to be prompted to do the right thing next time round.
For every negative example, however, one can find many positve things in China, esp compared to India! :)
If you believe people are treated like commodities in China, then the ordinary people, the lower castes in particular, are treated like rats and parasites in India. Of course you prefer Indian beggars to Chinese "parasites". ;)
SARS showed the failing of China's system. The government needs to be prompted to do the right thing next time round.
For every negative example, however, one can find many positve things in China, esp compared to India! :)
U have only text book knowledge of what the british told u. the so called lower castes rule 5 big states in india. yes sir, they are the chief ministers. they get special quotas in education, jobs etc. upto 50% in the entire country. but ofcourse you only know what you are told which i doubt is much going by the restriction of freedom in your country.
the important point is, china is still a hidden society. no one knows whats inside. china is not shanghai, beijing or hongkong, its the small towns and villages which no outsiders visit. so what u cite as positive things is just ur viewpoint, a chinese viewpoint, :) and as i said a country which can hide facts from the world can't be trusted on its big mouth...
for every failure i cite of china u say that will be corrected in future yet u keep repeating the story of lower castes and poverty as it was pictured to you based on 1900...that shows what i call the narrow mindness.
at least in my country, if i search for lower caste discrimination on the net, i will get 100 sites (indian ones) that will admit this problem and also 100 others giving examples and suggestion how to solve it. i m sure u have not heard of putaparthi or the art of living foundation.
if i search for tienamaan square or sars epedemic in china, i will probably get all communist government controlled sites which will claim that the 1000 deaths in china were not of chinese citizens but chicken...:D
thats what ur government considers the value of ur life, so next time learn to look in the mirror and see what ur government thinks of u, not worry of what i think about u. or may be is illegal to even think in china?? haha
chinesemilitaryfan
12-22-2006, 02:59 PM
I had lived in china for nearly 30 years,then I moved to Singapore and lived for long time,then I moved to the most democratic and powerful country with the most freedom.I found if you are not a politician who is tring to do something with politices,it is very hard to feel the difference among this three countries' system. Does this mean that china has adjusted alot from communist to democratic or democratic countries also share many short-comings with communist country.I think so.
chinesemilitaryfan
12-22-2006, 03:14 PM
One thing I need to point is:The reason that outside world can not get more information of china from the website is: Chinese people use chinese only in website.There are many very informative chinese websites discussing everything. There is no indian in these website,i think very few indian people can use chinese.Just like japanese and korean ,there also apear secretivley,because of the language.But that doesn't mean they are trying to hide something.On other hand,indian forums use english so it is easy to join the talk.
I had lived in china for nearly 30 years,then I moved to Singapore and lived for long time,then I moved to the most democratic and powerful country with the most freedom.I found if you are not a politician who is tring to do something with politices,it is very hard to feel the difference among this three countries' system. Does this mean that china has adjusted alot from communist to democratic or democratic countries also share many short-comings with communist country.I think so.
i lived in india for 28 years of my life. have travelled to almost entire europe. moved to USA since last one year. it exactly the same feeling for me. i lived a comfortable life in all the three countries and apart from some places being more crowded than others saw no difference if i don't indulge in the political and social process. what does that prove?
we are not the one's who can judge the difference between china and usa or india and usa. if u want a judgement ask the chinese migrants living in china town who fled because of the government. i am sure u know that many of these immigrants are illegal and don't even step out of china town in nyc. tell me why would they have migrated to the US if they found no difference between china and US?
similarly many workers from india migrate every year to the middle east countries away from their families to earn money. why would they do so if they din't find any difference?
what i am saying is that we are the fortunate one's sitting on our comfortable couches passing wisedom around on this forums on things we never had a first hand experience of. i hope none of ur near and dear one's every suffered under the chinese communist regime but what about the students who died in tienamann square. do u think that would have happened in singapore or US?
of course if u choose to close ur eyes to politics then as i said there is no difference. its after all a matter of choice. if communism is good in the eyes of majority of chinese people then so be it.
i would love to know more about the rural china. how the farmers are organised. the distribution of population in the vast territories. i am not interested in big cities. these create a false impression. any one who wants to know india, should also make an attempt at looking beyond the cities like delhi, mumbai and bangalore.
chinesemilitaryfan
12-22-2006, 03:54 PM
If you look at the history,there are many killings done by US goverment towards their own people in the past 50 years.I think you should know.I consider them as the same nature with tiananmen.
I agree with you,chinese people should show the whole picture to the world not only the big cities.But I think some chinese still not like to do it, some places of china are still very un-develope.Also,foreigners are not interested in the very saddening pictures.So,what can I do...
Just like a poor family which is getting better and better,this family only like show the good things to visiters instead of bad things.All the people around the world have this intention.I look this intention down,it only indicates the un-confidence.
You can not say "the big cities create a false impression",because the big cities are also very important part of a country.
One part of a picture can't represent the whole picture,but it is one part.
If you look at the history,there are many killings done by US goverment towards their own people in the past 50 years.I think you should know.I consider them as the same nature with tiananmen.
I agree with you,chinese people should show the whole picture to the world not only the big cities.But I think some chinese still not like to do it, some places of china are still very un-develope.Also,foreigners are not interested in the very saddening pictures.So,what can I do...
Just like a poor family which is getting better and better,this family only like show the good things to visiters instead of bad things.All the people around the world have this intention.I look this intention down,it only indicates the un-confidence.
You can not say "the big cities create a false impression",because the big cities are also very important part of a country.
One part of a picture can't represent the whole picture,but it is one part.
i would again repeat what i said in another thread. china is doing very well in economic development but i find outright rejection of india's development by chinese people on indian forums as narrow minded approach.
as u said, there is a bigger picture which is not known to the outside world. i wish you would also look at the bigger picture instead of making summary judgements just because indian cities are crowded, not as clean as western ones and some people on the streets.
If you believe people are treated like commodities in China, then the ordinary people, the lower castes in particular, are treated like rats and parasites in India. Of course you prefer Indian beggars to Chinese "parasites". ;)
SARS showed the failing of China's system. The government needs to be prompted to do the right thing next time round.
For every negative example, however, one can find many positve things in China, esp compared to India! :)
This news came right in time to prove you that what you heard about india from the west is not necessarily correct. For your information, our previous president was a dalit too ( R.K. Narayan). Dalits are what you are referring to as a lower caste. Our current president is a muslim. All this by means of democracy, but that doesn't mean that we will give overnight housing and free food to people on the streets. they will have to earn it like these two guys. many people beg coz they are lazy. i find beggars even in the states and europe although not this many. anyways, i make an attempt to open your eyes, if you still refuse, you can believe what you want
http://www.ibnlive.com/news/balakrishanan-1st-dalit-to-become-cji/29188-3.html
New Delhi: Justice K G Balakrishnan, the senior most judge in the Supreme Court will be appointed the new Chief Justice of India - the first Dalit ever to occupy the post.
The appointment has been approved by President APJ Abdul Kalam. Justice Balakrishnan will replace Chief Justice Y K Sabharwal who is retiring on Januray 14, 2007.
Balakrishnan will stay the Chief Justice till he retires on May 12, 2010 - which makes his tenure three years and four months long.
Even though I am happy, I am highly conscious of the heavy responsibility", Justice Balakrishnan told PTI.
He said the court should stand by the side of the common man. However, this does not mean that it should be 'partial', he said adding the courts should hear the voice of the poor.
Indian judiciary was highly reputed in the world for its independence and impartiality, he said. He hoped that he would get the full cooperation from the legal fraternity
This news came right in time to prove you that what you heard about india from the west is not necessarily correct. For your information, our previous president was a dalit too ( R.K. Narayan). Dalits are what you are referring to as a lower caste. Our current president is a muslim. All this by means of democracy, but that doesn't mean that we will give overnight housing and free food to people on the streets. they will have to earn it like these two guys. many people beg coz they are lazy. i find beggars even in the states and europe although not this many. anyways, i make an attempt to open your eyes, if you still refuse, you can believe what you want
I know you have had a Dalit president. His appointment was more symbolic than any indication of the real social status of Dalits. Now you have a Dalit COJ, which reflects well on the efforts India is making against one of its evil legacies.
In any kind of system there are vulnerable groups and losers who for one reason or another are not able to fend themselves, hence the need for some social safety net, an idea already embraced in modern democracies.
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