US attitude with Indians

[ashwani]

Indians are experts in many fields. most of the US outsourcing businesses are run by Indians. in software sector, American companies concerned with Indians as indians do their work very efficiently and in low cost.even in NASA, so many indian scientist works for america.then, why americans have partial behaviour with Indians?why they can't treat Indians like themselfs?
give your views.

[megrisoft]

You are write to say that Indians are experts in many fields. No country wants the people of other country to reach high than them.

[ddmcneill]

Well first of all a lot of Americans are going to treat you differently then other ethic groups. America has a history of racial division. African Americans died for the rights of a lot of immigrants to take advantage of a system that a lot of foreigners are repeating the benefits. East Indians haven’t paid their dues yet in America, The ones that come to America have education just like a lot of immigrant but what have your race contribute to America. Americans usually don’t like what they don’t understand. The Indian culture is a very clannish and classes culture that work find in India but not in America. I think the mind set of Americans will change with the next generation of Americans and American east Indians.

Always one world and one love.

[Oregon]

Ashwani,

I am curious where you meet Americans? Under what circumstances??? I would imagine if you meet Americans in India most would be business men or tourists. Business people should be respectful and tourist, well, living in an American tourist town, only thinking of themselves and their experience. I think it's the same with a lot of tourists. They probably don't mean to seem rude or crazy but you have to imagine you're in a new land, with new people, you're worrying about so many things, especially if you have a family, that you don't always have time to be properly respectful.
If you meet Americans in America you're sure to be treated many different ways. I like to think always good but I know that people are very judgemental which is sad because it just reinforces the stereo type of ignorant Americans.

I am an American in Oregon in a very white city (duh!) and will be working closely with two Sikh gentlemen who come to visit for business. There are a lot of looks from people in the city. Especially when they see two men in Turbans. The ignorant see a Turban of any kind and have no idea what it means and assume they are all Muslim fanatics.

Another issue still fresh in some American's minds is the election of 2004 for president. NON STOP it seemed democrats and liberal politicians were demonizing Indian outsourcing. Campaign ad after compaign ad had stories of Americans loosing jobs and even being forced to train their low paid Indian replacements. We have powerful Labor Unions that demonize India non-stop. It is fear mongering for political power. I'm sure some Americans have lost jobs to India but as always Americans find more ways to work and grow. I should know. I'm one of those Americans facilitating American companies to move some work to Indian engineers.

[observer]

I would think the average American would respond to a foreigner the same way that an average Indian would respond to a foreigner. Generally people are apprehensive of things they don't know about.

My main point is why bother about how Americans think about Indians? Is it important? What's so important about? Nothing at all. Just go on with your work and stop bothering about how "Indians" are perceived.

[Big Boss]

Although the Americans And Britons are quite OK with any Indian, but the root of their mental still consider every Indian as a servant rather than true friend. Talented Indian can always get job from white owned corporations, but never on earth will put you to the top position. If Yes, then you are most probably a puppet to them. My suggest is " learning from them by working with them and in the end, give your best to develop India by making use of the skill that you had mastered. :D

[India1989]

It is obvious that American treats Indians like that. But i would say Indians working for USA deserves to be treated like that. Why would they work for US and not for India.

And as for India we don't want America's attention. We can take care of ourselfes and can anytime overtake USA in military powers but international law prevents us to do that.

[miqsh]

in that case soumo u should pack ur bags right now and go back to india to study to show us that u are against migration of indians to the west.

the only thing that makes everyone to recognize USA to still be a powerful country is because of their rules they impose on everyone making others seem to be weaker.

[miqsh]

I would think the average American would respond to a foreigner the same way that an average Indian would respond to a foreigner. Generally people are apprehensive of things they don't know about.

My main point is why bother about how Americans think about Indians? Is it important? What's so important about? Nothing at all. Just go on with your work and stop bothering about how "Indians" are perceived.

i have to give it to Observer that it is highly regardless of an indian to ponder over this matter as they are good enough to give us jobs and opportunities although there are nowadays us citizens in the same field too. can u expect chinese to employ or allow indians in their country?

[denhou1974]

I have read the posts in this thread and I would like to give an American's viewpoint.

I have traveled to India and I was given the same looks and stares that an Indian person would get if they traveled to a small US city. People stare because they are curious and because you are unusual. There is nothing wrong with this.

Some people in the world think that life is easy in America. Things are expensive here and people work hard for their money. Life in America revolves around money and most corporations make decisions solely based on money. Imagine working at a place for 10 years then you lose your job to someone that will work for 50% of your salary. There will be some ill feelings, especially if that person is not an American.

Another problem is that currently there are 250,000 unemployed IT workers in the US yet there are 750,000 work VISAs approved. This is a perfect example of corporations driving US politics.

As for the comment about US thinking that Indians are servants I think this is VERY UNTRUE. From my experience Indians and Asian people in general are known for being very smart and hard working.

[Neo]

I have just one thing to say:

People in US are the most friendly and civilized from all the countries i have visited so far. I don't care what they feel in their hearts about outsourcing or other such issues. What is important is they have the decency to respect people face to face. India and US are culturally poles apart. Still, once you come to the US, you feel at ease knowing that 80 out of 100 people you will meet will smile and give you a nod even though they don't know you.

Look at the arrogance of chinese on the forums. China is not even 10% of what US is and it will take another 50 years may be 100 for it to come at par with US but their attitude sucks.

US is one country which has enemies because of the screwed up foreign policies of its leaders. once u meet the common men and women u know that these people are really cool.

[Nikster]

Americans are nice on the outside, but you have to be careful. Americans, white Americans especially, harbor great ill will towards those they see as different. However, they don't come out in the open and say it anymore since African Americans fought for everyone's civil rights. That's why everything is kept underground and they smile at you while stabbing you in the back when you're not looking. I'm not talking about everyone, but racism really exists here as well, it's just hidden and it exists in many more places than you would think. I remember 10 years ago when two white kids dragged a black man behind their truck until he died. The media hardly talked about it. Even when people tried to bring in hate laws to prevent this atrocity most people were trying to skirt around the issue and make illegitimate claims such as, "A crime should not be punished for what someone thinks only what he does" and some other nonsense. The law only recently got passed.

[rohit khaitan]

I agree with nikster. They are nice on the face but in there its a lot of ill feeling.

Leave apart the common man. Lets take the case of some celebrities of USA. Angelina jolie and brad pitt were recently in india for a shoot of their movie. The way they and their body guards behaved was really shameful. Their body guards even have the guts to use terms like 'bloody indians'.

In the end when they left after all the controverises angelina jolie said that we have nothing against india. Does that one statement absolve the behaviour of the bitch???

WE Indias dont believe in lip service . A rare smile from the heart is much better then a dozen cosmetic smiles.

[torabera]

Neo is just a kid, obviously,

as to his view toward chinese, remember it is india who says china is india's enemy #1, and who blocks chinese investment in india,

with this unfriendly atitude, and so much unfriendly forum posts by indians againt china and chinese, what do u expect from chinese, kid?

he is just a selfish, hopeless, stupid kid

[rohit khaitan]

this thread is for people with common sense and maturity.

You and ur school going freinds have already destroyed one section of this site. Keep ur stupid posts to that section only.

Dont mess with this place too. If i were a moderator i would have screwed u up by now. But since i am not i request u to keep away from other sections.

[torabera]

this thread is for people with common sense and maturity.

You and ur school going freinds have already destroyed one section of this site. Keep ur stupid posts to that section only.

Dont mess with this place too. If i were a moderator i would have screwed u up by now. But since i am not i request u to keep away from other sections.

Then, this forum is not for u, kid,
in fact, u r a hopelessly stupid indiot, no better than Neo

[observer]

Indians did not visit chinese forum and start posting that chinese have small eyes, eat insects etc etc

Chinese came to this Indian forum and posted Indians are black and ugly, Indians are backward, Indians are slaves etc etc

And you have the gall to blame indians for starting this? Behave properly and get good reception from Indians. After all Indians have a famous verse in Sanskrit language "Athiti Devo bhav" which means "A guest is like a god". As regards blocking Chinese investments in India first China should open up its government because no one trusts a secretive country.

[pallavi]

Hello Ashwani,

As I believe it is the matter of American currency. Indeed, it is true that Indians have good mind but they vend their mind to America they don't want to give their best in their country. Americans have unity but Indians don't and they know this fact very well. At this point of time I remember the venerated proverb "Respect yourself and you'll be respected."

[Omni]

If we were in complete mutual exclusion, our "economies" would progress very well! but the fact is that the US is egotistic. It has this mindset of not seeing in levels but in seeing in flutuations, the high in the curve is superior than the low, add corresponding numbers to it to depict dollars and we get its stock market. Since its money is its only strength its weakness is its limited resources and cleverness. And so to the US, humans are represented as units, a business person buys a couple of shares from India, sees if they perform, if not he/she diversifies the portfolio to include some shares of other countries while still respecting the budget. While India fabricates intelligent units - which the US is very eager to know how, if a patent were to be put we are feeding its partner so either way Indians are blocked - nothing is accomplished in India itself, all our brains are feeding the monolithic creature (US).

The US likes to take risks it doesn't matter it gets money by making more also by acquiring money by its units in more ways than one and by partnershiping with the other countries that climbed up the ladder to play at its level. It does not like competition it instead drains the others fuel and leaves it paralyzed or dead.

[India1989]

US is allowing Indians to work there. I don't understand why can't these Indians help India progress after they have earned so much money. Those betrayers keep on staying abroad.

[sunilkumar]

Better to stay in US. Coz lot of exploitation is done by Indian company of their employee. And USA based company give some what decent package on paper.... which is useful to show your social status in matter of your marriage and many things. US is democratic country...

But Gun culture of USA is not nice.

Life is hell in India lot of struggle in all front, every one wants to make money and they want to live with luxry.

Even I am going usa ... most probably i will never going to come back in Inida......I am useless for India, so don't want to be burden on my nation :D

[rohit khaitan]

Sunil sorry to say but i didnt find that funny at all.

Arent their good job opportunities here in India?

Also is working for someone else the only option in life? Cant u set up something on ur own??

You know how much money the govt spends per child on education in India?? And that money is contributed by hard working people in India. And after getting all those benefits we go to US and say india is useless??? If u r an Indian and u cant do anything for the country who s the traiter?? Either u are a part of the problem or ur a part of the solution. And by running away ur certainly not a solution.

IF they are developed today thats because people their contributed to the nation. Just see how they go out fo the way to fight the rest of the world when it comes to national pride. And what r we doing?? First we have a very small percantage of really educated people. (Education of course does not mean being able to write ur name... the standard set by our education ministers) Now also if this small percentage runs away to serve someone else whos to save the nation??

Its good if ur not coming. Do us a favour. Dont send ur children here either to get educated here and go back there. Tell them that they are americans and no part of them is Indian. We dont need indians like u.

[Omni]

Yes Sunil lift yourself up, we all have the ability to make something of ourselves. I spoke to you you know alot which means alot to India...only needs time...if you can contribute and properly convey what you acquired.

[sunilkumar]

Rohit I will surely give you reply ....

Rohit make one thing very clear in your mind .... I am not going to marry so chances of having my own kid is Zero........

Rohit this is your word ==> "Ordinary people can't live without marrying"

I am not an ordinary guy ;).... I do have that much talent, I can compete with people of USA and other nation on their land ....i can earn more than them in their country ... then Y the hell i shuld live here in poverty with less growth ... ?

Truth is ....Nobody listen your voice .... if your are poor in India ....

Now i see world as one country... For me India will be special coz that is my mother land.... And If i stay out of India competition for other will be less in India and as well as for me....
Popullation of india is more.....competetion is high.. so difficult to get proper growth and exposer.... any way I said I am burden so I am leaving....but usa will accept me coz they know Who I am.

You Said... How much money govt spend of one child education....

For me my dad has spend money not govt.... He did all hard work with honesty in govt organization and end result.... not able to make money.... current situation is If I die whole family will die.... earlier situation was if my father would have died.... then probably i would have not been here to give u reply.

If you want to know what govt has given me..? then read it....reservation more competition, communalism ... wrong knowledge by teaching me wrong history

As far job oppurtunity .... here we do have less oppurtunity ....

Only people are getting job in IT sector and that also in few city... I had seen scholar dentist doing MBA to get job ... ha ha ha .

I am from Ahmedabad ... is there any IT company where i can work and grow?... answer is no.... When I was in ahmedabad ... It was horrible for me....

Supply is more in Indian compare to Demand.

I am Intrested in money not in war...(USA)they can go to fight with other country I dont care.... I will not fight for peice of land.... ultimatly at the end i dont need land..... i know i will be part of land.

And In Inidia socially i got culture of
[1] dowry
[2] Horoscope (kundali)
[3] Castesim/Religion....

Govt has not full fill basic requirement of public...
[1] No water (chennai, Delhi hyderabad)
[2] No Electricity (Delhi Noida)
[3] Yea they made school but without teacher (In most of village)
If school give all knowledge then no need to go in college.
[4] gutter (delhi chennai)
[5] Traffic system.

As per the current situation ....Base Line is if I go than that will be good for me, my country and my family.

I Know If i am not a part of solution than i am part of problem.....

I gave many IT professional to India.
I gave my knowledge to my friend who was struggling to get one break .... he calls me guruji ....
I motivated few unemployed guy and taught them not to do cirme .... they were to good to do crime.

I was never been a part of problem ... I am always a part of solution.... yea I dont carry mass with me to show what i do ...

[Nikster]

I actually have friends who are managers in the US and are moving back to India because they are being paid more, in dollars. That's probably due to the expanding Indian economy and the lack of people with experience, but it is slowly happening. If India continues to develop and provides a standard of living comparable to the West I am sure this slow tricle will turn to a flood. I personally would love to come back to India and help the country rise, but it needs to make it attractive to me.

[sunilkumar]

Omni...Thank you very much for your perspective...

BTW your mail account of india book is full........so not able to reply you privately

Omni...

Difficult to make money in India... right now i can't do good for me in Indian then you can understand its difficult for me to do good for others...

Money = Exploitation but i know in usa .... i will get $ when i will convert that in RS it will be more.... and with that only i can start some small company where other can work....

[India1989]

All the members over here are anti-Indians. shame on you. can't do anything for their motherland and at the same time talk shit about fellow indians.

[chenny]

Hello Hello,

What Happened to : Do Unto Others As You Would Have Others Do Unto You
What Happened to : The 10 Commandments
What Happened to : The Preachers Practising What They Preach
What Happened to : Love Thy Neighbor As Thineself
What Happened to : Thou Shalt Have No Other Gods But One
What Happened to : As You Sow, So Shall You Reap

Are they that stupid to be racist and fooling people through media to extract best brains and resources into their self-proclaimed noah's ark with their conditions applying that everyone should sing the american's praises instead of the Lord's praises. The mind, body, and soul, of all human species is the same, any part of earth, evil intellect cannot manipulate and dupe, falsify, and intimidatingly claim that any materially rich nation's peoples, that too on other's resources and blood, to be more precious than others, none are children of a lesser god, it's a shame preacher's cannot live upto their preachings, it's a shame they are out through hook and crook to suppress freedom, it's a shame they think they can get away with evil manipulations and wasting their human power to get into a cheap syndicate and use your free speech against you in their attempt to suppress freedom and truth.

Isn't it common sense, you good, me good, everybody good, and vice versa?

http://www.topix.net/forum/world/TKOIS3929N7DMJ5AG

Physical force, intimidation, etc, the might is right rule originally applied to jungle, wherein the modern peoples labeled them as cannibals; however, it's a pity that modern people in these nations have themselves become so in an intellectual's guise, and have become modern cannibals, and thus a blotch on civilization and true humanity, believing they can get away with all their evil deeds. Do they tell all this to those whom they market themselves to?

Volunteers welcome to spread the good word.

If you have the time and the internet, why not participate to spread the good word through spreading this informations and the links and be blessed.

Have a nice day.

Chen.

[JK Bangalore]

deleted....

[cheerful_12]

I totally agree to sunilkumar.. I too have gone thru same and now in UK.. People like Omni & Rohit khaitan are among those fools who just keep their eyes close and like to see dreams!!! It's only when more indians started moving abroad indian economy drive started. It didn't started because of those govt. policies!!! Govt policies have helped leaders to earn lakh n lakhs of bribe etc not economic growth.. No doubt indian education is good but this doesn't make abroad education is bad!!!

India need people like sunilkumar who had talent and want to explore new places for opportunities.. in turn india will automatically benefited!!!! People like rohit khaitan and Omni shud just shut up!!! Where are you living there is no electricity, water, roads even after 50 years of independence!!! It's just 10year before country has changed and emerged.. who should we give credit to people like you who are burden on india with false impression!!!! come out and see the world you would realize!!! And if you want india to grow, more and more people have to come out & drive this economy growth..

[cheerful_12]

All the members over here are anti-Indians. shame on you. can't do anything for their motherland and at the same time talk shit about fellow indians.


Fact is people like you are no more required to india rather you are no more required in this world!!!! Just get lost on some other galaxy!!! India is much better without you, stop worrying about india!

[4indianwoman]

well! First of all Indian are not efficient as you people are saying . there are in developers in IT who does not like to finish their work on time..... They are capable but alway try to delay their the work...

Secondly, US companies are interested in us because we are Cheep...

[JK Bangalore]

deleted....

[pinky]

I think if Americans think like that its nt there fault they feel insecure when indans get priority over there. In Americans more than 60% people r working in software industrty.